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RangerSaver
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 03.22.2013

May 14 @ 4:46 AM ET
Trouba and some kind of pick if you can get it for Miller and Stepan.

You get rid of Stepan and his contract. You give the money you are saving by not paying Miller and Stepan to Oshie. You sign Brendan Smith and target another serviceable d-man after buying out Staal.

Absolute pipe dream but it would be nice.

- JRR1285

It is a pipe dream with an expansion draft looming, to think that the Jets would pick up Stepan's full $6.5M contract for its last 4 years, while currently having only $6.3M in cap space, along with 8 free agent roster spots (2- G, 4-F, 2-D), plus 5 d'men including Trouba to become free agents after next season as of today.
Even though Trouba's cap hit actually reduces $500K to $2.8M next season, the Jets may be forced to move him by the 2018 trade deadline, if by then he still shows no desire to re-sign there. But even though teams are allowed to be 10% over the cap during the off season, they have other cap worries & improvements to make player wise first, before they can take on what after this past season became now a bad contract in Stepan, due also now to his NTC beginning in July. In addition, the Jets have demanded in part from any team interested in Trouba, a top 2 to 4 young left handed d'man, ending any conversation with the Rangers involving Skjei being that key piece.
RangerSaver
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 03.22.2013

May 14 @ 5:04 AM ET
It is a pipe dream with an expansion draft looming, to think that the Jets would pick up Stepan's full $6.5M contract for its last 4 years, while currently having only $6.3M in cap space, along with 8 free agent roster spots (2- G, 4-F, 2-D), plus 5 d'men including Trouba to become free agents after next season as of today.
Even though Trouba's cap hit actually reduces $500K to $2.8M next season, the Jets may be forced to move him by the 2018 trade deadline, if by then he still shows no desire to re-sign there. But even though teams are allowed to be 10% over the cap during the off season, they have other cap worries & improvements to make player wise first, before they can take on what after this past season became now a bad contract in Stepan, due also now to his NTC beginning in July. In addition, the Jets have demanded in part from any team interested in Trouba, a top 2 to 4 young left handed d'man, ending any conversation with the Rangers involving Skjei being that key piece.

- RangerSaver

P.S.
What's with these incorrect posting times shown. I thought for a minute that I just had over 4 hours fly by in only 1 minute, to help make up for the last 2 Saturdays' early & late nights that took forever to end, after those 2 very late blown leads to Ottawa, resulting in 2 of their most depressing playoff game OT losses, and series loss in 6 games.
Ottawa did it again in OT for at least the 3rd straight Saturday. I don't see that post any longer here that said we could have had Pageau +, for "you know who" during last off season.
RangerSaver
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 03.22.2013

May 14 @ 5:21 AM ET
I don't believe AV is irreplaceable, Sutter, Bylsma and Hartley are names that would be possible in NY
- KreiderBomb

Bylsma and Hartley may be possible, but not Sutter. No more NYR coaches with former worn out Islanders ties. Trottier was enough for the 21 wins in his 54 games he lasted here as head coach here.
jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

May 14 @ 10:43 AM ET
Bylsma and Hartley may be possible, but not Sutter. No more NYR coaches with former worn out Islanders ties. Trottier was enough for the 21 wins in his 54 games he lasted here as head coach here.
- RangerSaver


Sutter doesn't have Islander ties, but he isn't an East Coast guy, really dont believe he'd ever come here

Vigneault is a better coach than Bylsma and Hartley combined, stop the madness

Vigneault's extension is through 2020 for 4 million a year.

If you think the Rangers are going to eat 12 million dollars to bring in Bob Hartley you are cray cray cray cray cray
RangerSaver
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 03.22.2013

May 14 @ 9:34 PM ET
Sutter doesn't have Islander ties, but he isn't an East Coast guy, really dont believe he'd ever come here

Vigneault is a better coach than Bylsma and Hartley combined, stop the madness

Vigneault's extension is through 2020 for 4 million a year.

If you think the Rangers are going to eat 12 million dollars to bring in Bob Hartley you are cray cray cray cray cray

- jimbro83

I was only using sarcasm with that popularly discussed about word today in the world known as "TIES", in that Darryl had 2 of his 5 other NHL playing brothers in Brent and Duane who like Trottier, had played for the Islanders.
I never said that AV should be fired. He was in chief given that longer extension due to there being no one better than he out there at that time, as there is no one better than he also unemployed now. I only responded to "kreiderbomb's" 3 options named as per likely his disgust still (and mine) for AV's player choice usage in Game's 2 & 5's last closing minutes, which was a key reason for those 2 games' blown leads which led to OT losses, and the series loss to Ottawa in 6 games, instead of a 5 games' series win.
Bylsma is somewhat a ways short of AV, and Hartley is even a ways short of Bylsma. But what happened to the Scotty Bowman like coaching of Sutter, when back in June, 2014, the NHL experts were proclaiming the Kings as the next NHL dynasty for the next 5 or more seasons? A few key players have gone, some others showing signs of wear & tear, while some others have suffered injuries, all just like nearly every NHL team experiences. So a coach is also a product of the team that he is presented with off the ice first. Maybe the Rangers were just not good enough all around, despite any reason that anyone wants to claim.
Slimtj100
New York Rangers
Location: Panarins NYC apt
Joined: 03.04.2013

May 15 @ 2:24 AM ET
Should they trade Stepan, I think Vermette would be a decent replacement for him. He's basically 4th line right now for Ducks (7 minutes TOI). Good faceoff man and cheap. Doubt it would cost to much

Maybe even Stepan for him and one of the 1000 dmen they have. Step would fit right in, being bald and slow like Getzlaf
JRR1285
New York Rangers
Location: Coach's decision, PEI
Joined: 02.21.2008

May 15 @ 2:34 AM ET


Things are pretty slow around here.
Jan Levine
New York Rangers
Joined: 09.16.2005

May 15 @ 3:53 AM ET
Should they trade Stepan, I think Vermette would be a decent replacement for him. He's basically 4th line right now for Ducks (7 minutes TOI). Good faceoff man and cheap. Doubt it would cost to much

Maybe even Stepan for him and one of the 1000 dmen they have. Step would fit right in, being bald and slow like Getzlaf

- Slimtj100

Anaheim likes him a lot, making $1.75 mil and his production fell off a cliff this year. Plus that means you are okay with Zib/Hayes/Lindberg as top-three centers?
nyrangers9479
New York Rangers
Joined: 11.08.2013

May 15 @ 4:20 AM ET
Should they trade Stepan, I think Vermette would be a decent replacement for him. He's basically 4th line right now for Ducks (7 minutes TOI). Good faceoff man and cheap. Doubt it would cost to much

Maybe even Stepan for him and one of the 1000 dmen they have. Step would fit right in, being bald and slow like Getzlaf

- Slimtj100

nyrangers9479
New York Rangers
Joined: 11.08.2013

May 15 @ 4:22 AM ET
Trade him to AZ with Staal for Domi. Gets rid of Staal and helps them get to the floor with actual players rather than Datsyuk and Pronger.
RangerSaver
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 03.22.2013

May 15 @ 5:00 AM ET
Should they trade Stepan, I think Vermette would be a decent replacement for him. He's basically 4th line right now for Ducks (7 minutes TOI). Good faceoff man and cheap. Doubt it would cost to much

Maybe even Stepan for him and one of the 1000 dmen they have. Step would fit right in, being bald and slow like Getzlaf

- Slimtj100

The Ducks currently have $0 of cap space, & about $2.3M of projected cap space by the start of next season, despite 7 free agent roster spots to also re-fill. Lindholm isn't being traded, & the RH shooting d'man Vatanen ($4.875M) plus Vermette ($1.75M) if traded here for Stepan, only increases their cap space by $125K, if in our best dreams that trade would ever be possible in exchange for only Stepan.
However, the Ducks are likely not trading Vatanen (signed thru '19/20) unless an offer is too good to refuse, as opposed to offering the offensive minded, Fowler, or a lower ranked d'man in Bieska, (each LH & at $4M thru next season) adding to our glut of LH d'men. Also, Fowler has a career -39 rating, (-1 lower than Yandle's -38). It's also a -56 lower than the offensive minded, RH shooting Shattenkirk (career +17) , for those that do not want that "freebie" signed here, even if willing to accept less money & years than what's rumored, to play for his hometown favorite team prior to being drafted. In 1 year, it may end up costing close to as much to sign Fowler at an increase, for what Shatty may be willing to accept now, free also of any asset(s) having to be dealt now for Fowler.
RangerSaver
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 03.22.2013

May 15 @ 5:23 AM ET
Anaheim likes him a lot, making $1.75 mil and his production fell off a cliff this year. Plus that means you are okay with Zib/Hayes/Lindberg as top-three centers?
- airjan23

It's a tricky situation right now for Gorton regarding the overall Stepan situation prior to his NTC beginning very soon in July, & the depth outlook at the center position in general. Without replacing Stepan for his roles (yes...overpaid for +), it would be an even tougher task for Gorton if Lindberg were to be lost in the Expansion Draft, despite that meaning we would be retaining Raanta, Grabner, & can re-sign Jesper Fast.
jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

May 15 @ 11:29 AM ET
It's a tricky situation right now for Gorton regarding the overall Stepan situation prior to his NTC beginning very soon in July, & the depth outlook at the center position in general. Without replacing Stepan for his roles (yes...overpaid for +), it would be an even tougher task for Gorton if Lindberg were to be lost in the Expansion Draft, despite that meaning we would be retaining Raanta, Grabner, & can re-sign Jesper Fast.
- RangerSaver


if they do trade Stepan, one of the ideas could be to trade him before the expansion draft and get back something they don't have to protect in the draft, freeing a protection slot open to protect Fast or Lindberg
Fenrir
New York Rangers
Location: Jesus saves! Satan picks up the rebound...AND SCORES!!, NJ
Joined: 04.02.2015

May 15 @ 12:20 PM ET
Trade him to AZ with Staal for Domi. Gets rid of Staal and helps them get to the floor with actual players rather than Datsyuk and Pronger.
- nyrangers9479

A few issues with this.
Staal NTC
AZ has no incentive to trade their young potential star to reach the cap floor.
jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

May 15 @ 12:40 PM ET
A few issues with this.
Staal NTC
AZ has no incentive to trade their young potential star to reach the cap floor.

- Fenrir


Staal's NTC doesn't begin until July 1st. That is probably the main catalyst for all this trade Stepan talk.
eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

May 15 @ 8:53 AM ET
A few issues with this.
Staal NTC
AZ has no incentive to trade their young potential star to reach the cap floor.

- Fenrir

They can have Grabovski for free if they are that desperate to reach the cap floor
jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

May 15 @ 9:05 AM ET
They can have Grabovski for free if they are that desperate to reach the cap floor
- eichiefs9


https://twitter.com/Takin...status/863892743008829440
B2B76
New York Rangers
Location: "I got mouths to feed", NY
Joined: 08.14.2008

May 15 @ 9:12 AM ET


Things are pretty slow around here.

- JRR1285

Its all about the pizza
eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

May 15 @ 9:12 AM ET
https://twitter.com/TakingFiveHQ/status/863892743008829440
- jimbro83

You don't have the tumbling strength to pull a maneuver like that off
jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

May 15 @ 9:19 AM ET
You don't have the tumbling strength to pull a maneuver like that off
- eichiefs9


Superbad reference
mdw7413
New York Rangers
Location: I would rather see a dudes hairy balls than his hairy feet-Jimbro
Joined: 12.13.2013

May 15 @ 9:32 AM ET
You don't have the tumbling strength to pull a maneuver like that off
- eichiefs9

eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

May 15 @ 9:40 AM ET

- mdw7413

That's my favorite ballet, Swine Lake.
mdw7413
New York Rangers
Location: I would rather see a dudes hairy balls than his hairy feet-Jimbro
Joined: 12.13.2013

May 15 @ 9:45 AM ET
That's my favorite ballet, Swine Lake.
- eichiefs9


When you get 6 inches off the ground and your leg can't take the force of your body coming back down to the ground its time for some life choices.
eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

May 15 @ 9:49 AM ET
When you get 6 inches off the ground and your leg can't take the force of your body coming back down to the ground its time for some life choices.
- mdw7413

Most important of all being: no more leaping activities
smellmyfinger
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 07.28.2011

May 15 @ 9:55 AM ET
When you get 6 inches off the ground and your leg can't take the force of your body coming back down to the ground its time for some life choices.
- mdw7413



Stop body shaming. Weight is a social construct.
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