To get Doughty you'd have take Brown as part of it, I'm ok with that part because I want Doughty that bad. From that point LA couldn't ask for the moon.

No offense to guys you mentioned, but they honestly aren't going to do damn thing to change the fortunes lol
- Slimtj100

For those claiming Shattenkirk is Yandle

http://www.hockey-referen.../players/y/yandlke01.html

http://www.hockey-referen.../players/s/shattke01.html

It's time we use metrics a little, not the end all be a ll but a tool that would help us

For those claiming Shattenkirk is Yandle

http://www.hockey-referen.../players/y/yandlke01.html

http://www.hockey-referen.../players/s/shattke01.html
- KreiderBomb

If you haven't watched him play you won't see it. He was hidden on a very good defensive team for a long time. Washington considered scratching him during the Pitt series bc of how bad he was in his own zone.

I don't think we'd be able to field a deep team, not with Hank and Nash making what they do, Doughty alone I'd explore, what about Dougie Hamilton?
- KreiderBomb

Get Doughty
Get rid of Nash, Stepan and Staal buyout

Giardano would be available before Hamilton wouldn't he?

Instead of Vatanen maybe we could get Manson and a high pick for Miller

If you haven't watched him play you won't see it. He was hidden on a very good defensive team for a long time. Washington considered scratching him during the Pitt series bc of how bad he was in his own zone.
- nyrangers9479

To be fair the Caps have a bunch of top pair defensmen

Instead of Vatanen maybe we could get Manson and a high pick for Miller
- KreiderBomb

They definitely matchup with the ducks trade wise. Been saying that for awhile. They have a ton of dmen and not much at forward after the first two lines.

They definitely matchup with the ducks trade wise. Been saying that for awhile. They have a ton of dmen and not much at forward after the first two lines.
- Slimtj100

I really believe my mock up would be one of the deepest and best teams in the league, we have to be all in

I made the comment last night about being knocked out 3 years in a row by former Rangers, I was wrong, I forgot about Gaborik so it's 4 years in a row

I made the comment last night about being knocked out 3 years in a row by former Rangers, I was wrong, I forgot about Gaborik so it's 4 years in a row
- KreiderBomb

Stepan to the caps

Caps KO rangers in rd 2 next year double whammy, Caps finally make it to conference final

Just imagine if either Stepan or Nash are gone and win a cup with whoever lmao

Totally get it. But I'm to the point where I'm looking a little more long term. I am willing to wait this one out a bit, even if it hurts next years team a little. I think this team needs a 2 year retool, where they are still competitive but need to turnover some of the roster. Just not interested in a contract they are going to regret in two years. Rather just go with kind of what they have and see what else opens up.
- Pete V

Sign Tavares as part of your 2 year rebuild?!

Someone to think about but only for the right price given his injury history is Tyler Myers.

I made the comment last night about being knocked out 3 years in a row by former Rangers, I was wrong, I forgot about Gaborik so it's 4 years in a row
- KreiderBomb

2013 Bruins had Jagr

For those claiming Shattenkirk is Yandle

http://www.hockey-referen.../players/y/yandlke01.html

http://www.hockey-referen.../players/s/shattke01.html

It's time we use metrics a little, not the end all be a ll but a tool that would help us
- KreiderBomb

Shattenkirk is not Yandle for many reasons

Shatty is right handed and can shoot, Yandle couldnt do either one

maybe Shatty's playoff lower his price

To improve their team's offensive production including on the power play starting from the back line, if Shattenkirk (Age 28, career +17 rating) is not their first RH option (but only if willing to accept a minimum 20% less salary, & a 2 or 3 year shorter term than the rumored demands of $6M-$7M annually for 5 to 7 years, to play for his favorite team when raised in New Rochelle, NY), there are very few other capable RHD options that might be available at a certain required cost.
Brett Pesce (Age 22, career +16) - (local kid few minutes from practice facility)
Justin Faulk (Age 25, career -83) - (for the Shatty haters)
But would Carolina be willing to trade either of those two in their division?
Sami Vatanen (Age 25, career +28) - (Anaheim depth on Defense)
If having to go the Left Handed route:
Jonas Brodin (Age 23, career +24) - (Minnesota, with Dumba (RH) likely not available)
Cam Fowler (Age 25, career -39) - (Anaheim depth...& also for the Shatty haters)
Pesce has 1 year left at $809K prior to becoming an RFA, while Fowler has 1 year left at $4M prior to being a UFA. The others range between roughly $4M to $5M per year, with longer term remaining on their current deals.
The best possible available alternate to signing Shatty as a UFA would be a trade for Vatanen, or possibly Pesce if made available within the same division. But in the case of Pesce, AV hates "kids". But it's funny that he loved Skjei during the 2016 series loss to the Penguins.

Shattenkirk is not Yandle for many reasons

Shatty is right handed and can shoot, Yandle couldnt do either one

maybe Shatty's playoff lower his price
- jimbro83

I agree 100% with you on Shatty. But are there any other likely or possibly to be made available RH d'men options that you know of, which I did not mention in my post.

I'm pro Shattenkirk, I think the top 4 I listed before would be a great improvement
- KreiderBomb

Improvement for sure and I want him just not at 6.5mm. Especially since we'd have to buyout Girardi or Staal to get it done so we'll have like 10mm cap space allocated towards Shatty and the buyout.

Improvement for sure and I want him just not at 6.5mm. Especially since we'd have to buyout Girardi or Staal to get it done so we'll have like 10mm cap space allocated towards Shatty and the buyout.
- rangerdanger94

no way, not at that price, that would be suicide

the contract needs to be in the 5's. It will have to be long term.

Who knows if the Rangers really have interest though? Larry Brooks kind of implies today that the Rangers have never shown any interest in him.

no way, not at that price, that would be suicide

the contract needs to be in the 5's. It will have to be long term.

Who knows if the Rangers really have interest though? Larry Brooks kind of implies today that the Rangers have never shown any interest in him.
- jimbro83

Yea Brooks and Zipay keep bringing up Justin Faulks name in trades to get that right handed D man

no way, not at that price, that would be suicide

the contract needs to be in the 5's. It will have to be long term.

Who knows if the Rangers really have interest though? Larry Brooks kind of implies today that the Rangers have never shown any interest in him.
- jimbro83

I just read that news from Brooks. He mentioned they may target RH Shooters, Justin Faulk & Sami Vatanen, and Lefty, Jonas Brodin, 3 names I mentioned earlier this morning.
I agree with going for Vatanen, but only for Brodin if there is another RH d'man they can also acquire from some team. RH Justin Faulk as I posted, has a -83 career +/- rating (a -100 career +/- lower rating than Shatty at 3 years younger). Yes, Shatty played predominantly for the Blues, while Faulk has played for the non playoff Hurricanes of recent years. In addition, would those 2 teams in the Metro want to be trade partners anyway, with the Hurricanes on their way back? That's why if so, I suggested their local NY area RH d'man, Brett Pesce as an option, who is a career +16 at only 22 for that same Hurricanes team.
Brooks also surprisingly said they should target RH Jacob Trouba. We know from past rumors early in this past season that the Jets wanted a young LH shooting top prospect d'man by the name of Brady Skjei as part of any deal involving Trouba coming here. End of conversation, unless the Jets counter for another significant piece(s) of some kind that may make a trade for Trouba tough to refuse.

no way, not at that price, that would be suicide

the contract needs to be in the 5's. It will have to be long term.

Who knows if the Rangers really have interest though? Larry Brooks kind of implies today that the Rangers have never shown any interest in him.
- jimbro83

Our offer to the blues for him was lower than that of Brendan Smith if I recall.

Yea Brooks and Zipay keep bringing up Justin Faulks name in trades to get that right handed D man
- TPC

Why would Carolina want to trade Faulk?

So, in watching the last 10 minutes of the Pens/Caps game, it was hard not to notice how the Pens strangled that game. The Caps barely got a sniff late in that game. That's how you hold a lead, I hate to say. And it was hard not to notice that the Pens forwards were a big part of that. We give our defense a lot of grief for not holding these leads, but it's easier to do so when the other team's offense isn't hitting your defensive zone like German tanks rolling towards France. The fact is that protecting a lead is not all about the defense, it's about your forwards being able to muck it up in the neutral zone, so you aren't spending all of your time in defensive zone.

In short, I don't think the Rangers inability to hold leads was all a defense problem -- I think it is a team defense issue.

as i posted on FB last night.. Hank + Krieder for Ovi + Holtby... get it done lol

Gropp 1st star last night in the WHL finals