I wasn't pleased with the events that transpired.

initial contact wasnt interference, post contact, pulling on goalie pad, was.

problem is he's got a green light due to the initial contact when he got pushed it. Couple that with the officials on ice not seeing whats happening, it was always gonna be a mess of a call.

Oilers lost because they collapsed, not because of 1 badly called play, that still, the Oilers made happen.

As an oiler fan I'd be pissed, but switch your perspective and make that bad goal count as the Ducks 1st ever goal in that game, and then add the other 3 and see what you get. Same scenario, and in a best case basis, a tie while the Oiler team was still folding under pressure?

Take the loss at least knowing the young guys learned an expensive lesson. Dont trust the league and the officials to win a playoff game for you.
- Buggy166

The Oilers played a great game.

Rather unfortunate ending.

I like what Mcdavid said though.... we'll be back on Wednesday.

I hope there are a bunch of people just trolling here.

No way that goal should have counted. Bumped into Talbot, but obviously held onto his pad and obstructed him from making the save.

They let the goal stand because it was in Anaheim with the crowd going crazy and they didn't want a riot with only 15 seconds left. If that goal is scored with 1 or 2 minutes left, they would have disallowed it.

Shouldn't have been in that situation, but that is moot in regards to this play.

Oil had 3 minutes to score an EN and couldn't...suck it and move on.

That was the clearest video of the play I have seen. Interesting since I saw that play live and they didn't have that angle.

I thought at the time that the correct call was goalie interference. I had since let a lot of the chatter talk me more towards it was a good goal. After seeing that particular angle....it was deliberate interference.

This is getting really close to the "foot in the crease" rule that cost John LeClair like 12 goals one season. It doesn't work.

What is worse, if they find that the goalie was interfered with, why isn't the offending party put in the penalty box? Interference is a penalty.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5kOB2IdjsY

At 1:17 the zoom in shows Kesler grabbing Talbot's goalie pads and holding them open. Of course the officials on the ice at the time wouldn't have seen it, but the guys doing the video review should have. Considering the complexity, and the stakes involved, you'd think they would have taken a little more time deciding too.

There is no literal possible way the Oilers can get screwed after winning the McDavid lottery.

Move along.

Gary needs to change rule and let team scored against fans decide if its a good goal..
- Fruitcakenipple

The Edmonton Oilers won this series 4games to 1. I'm assuming they would have lost out to Nashville or St. Louis.

That's how I'm remembering SC2017

The Edmonton Oilers won this series 4games to 1. I'm assuming they would have lost out to Nashville or St. Louis.

That's how I'm remembering SC2017
- JLO961

Edmonton fans really have forgotten what playoff hockey is like.

Anaheim had the net empty 3 times, Letetsu had a clear chance to clear the puck, and you had a goal disallowed in your favor in the 2nd.

No way should this be a finished series right now, your team has blown leads in the last two games. Keep blaming the league and officials, it won't help the Oilers get back on track in this series.

The Edmonton Oilers won this series 4games to 1. I'm assuming they would have lost out to Nashville or St. Louis.

That's how I'm remembering SC2017
- JLO961

good for you.

Then you might as well not watch anymore.

Exact reason many fans of sports are not fans of hockey. I complain about NHL officiating with fans and then fans of baseball, football chime in. The difference is they are not invested the NHL. They watch playoff hockey in a social setting and laugh at the horrible officiating. This playoff year is no different. The calls, or lack there of, get worse and worse. I love hockey but fully hear and understand their valid points. Two games now Edmonton has a very real argument against the league.

Gary needs to change rule and let team scored against fans decide if its a good goal..
- Fruitcakenipple

That's sounds about as fair as letting the haters of said team decide it


I'm actually less interested in the actual blown call at this point. It's done.

But much more interested in whether these posts are just flat out trolls cause misery is so desperate for company. or that some folks hve so much distaste for an organization that they've somehow been able to rationalize that kesler pulling at talbots pads wasn't interference..... as it's literally the definition of it

At the very least it's interesting

Edmonton fans really have forgotten what playoff hockey is like.

Anaheim had the net empty 3 times, Letetsu had a clear chance to clear the puck, and you had a goal disallowed in your favor in the 2nd.

No way should this be a finished series right now, your team has blown leads in the last two games. Keep blaming the league and officials, it won't help the Oilers get back on track in this series.
- getzlaugh

Oiler fans accepting it or blaming the refs doesn't make a difference one way or another. Cause they're not actually playing the game

It's just a hockey discussion board. It is has no bearing on the outcome . You knew that right ...?

Edmonton fans really have forgotten what playoff hockey is like.

Anaheim had the net empty 3 times, Letetsu had a clear chance to clear the puck, and you had a goal disallowed in your favor in the 2nd.

No way should this be a finished series right now, your team has blown leads in the last two games. Keep blaming the league and officials, it won't help the Oilers get back on track in this series.
- getzlaugh

Nope!

The first two ANA goals in Game 4 shouldn't have counted:
1. Perry clearly bumped Talbot away from the direction that the shot came in
2. Because EDM burned their timeout out on the Perry interference, they were unable to challenge a goal that was CLEARLY offside.

Game 5:
Sure, EDM had chances at an empty net and there were failed clearly attempts, but Kesler made absolutely NO EFFORT to leave the crease. Yes, Nurse hit Kesler, but who long does Kesler get to remain there with his left hand hooking Talbot's right pad? It's a garbage call and you know it!

In short, EDM has been completely (frank)ed over and at the very least should be leading this series, if not have finished it.

To top it off, the league's explanations have been vague, reaching and grossly inconsistent. The league knows which teams and match-ups will benefit the league financially and in terms of growth, and call the games accordingly. In this case, the Bettman and the league have deemed ANA to be more beneficial and it's apparent.

Edmonton fans really have forgotten what playoff hockey is like.

Anaheim had the net empty 3 times, Letetsu had a clear chance to clear the puck, and you had a goal disallowed in your favor in the 2nd.

No way should this be a finished series right now, your team has blown leads in the last two games. Keep blaming the league and officials, it won't help the Oilers get back on track in this series.
- getzlaugh

The thing is, I agree with you. If you look at old posts of mine re: missed calls, blaming the refs, etc. I am 100% on your side, the Oilers deserved to lose because they mailed in their effort in the last 5min....but they didn't/shouldn't have lost...it was interference.

I hate saying it, I hate it when others say it, and I wish they would just play the game and not show any replays at all, because now that I've seen those three replays I am angry at the facts that Perry interfered with Talbot, the second goal was offside, the third goal was icing, and the tying goal in ANH was interference. If we had no replay and just accepted the fact that mistakes are made...I could accept that. But I have actually SEEN these pieces of replay footage, and it angers me.

I'm with you though, and yes, I am debating watching the game tonight. I watched Steve Smith score into his own goal ff sake. I get it. These last few blown calls however just baffle and anger me to the point where it feels like I'm watching WWF.

The thing is, I agree with you. If you look at old posts of mine re: missed calls, blaming the refs, etc. I am 100% on your side, the Oilers deserved to lose because they mailed in their effort in the last 5min....but they didn't/shouldn't have lost...it was interference.

I hate saying it, I hate it when others say it, and I wish they would just play the game and not show any replays at all, because now that I've seen those three replays I am angry at the facts that Perry interfered with Talbot, the second goal was offside, the third goal was icing, and the tying goal in ANH was interference. If we had no replay and just accepted the fact that mistakes are made...I could accept that. But I have actually SEEN these pieces of replay footage, and it angers me.

I'm with you though, and yes, I am debating watching the game tonight. I watched Steve Smith score into his own goal ff sake. I get it. These last few blown calls however just baffle and anger me to the point where it feels like I'm watching WWF.
- JLO961

These aren't blown calls according to Bettman and the league. They're well aware of this poop and are fine with it if it makes the league money.

There's no other explanation for the significant number of "blown calls" and inconsistency when there's VIDEO PROOF ON EVERY PLAY. They've pushed the envelope to see exactly what they could get away with and now it feels like they've gotten too bold in trying to influence game outcomes and fans everywhere are starting to take notice.

You dont think Bettman would want a Crosby vs McDavid Final cmon
- HamiltonHawk

This is about the best point made in a long time. If there were any sort of "rigging" going on this (PIT vs EDM) would be the outcome. Nothing is rigged, but these replays looking for 1/4 inch offside entry 60 seconds before a goal and slight goaltender interference are ridiculous.

The players play for 20yrs trying to make the show, refs pretty much the same, and most owners have at least one other business that's more important for revenue generation (their teams are their "outlet", fun, etc.). There is no rigging whatsoever. The problem is micromanagement by non-management types. Kris King deciding the outcome of all of these years of skill development, investment, time, energy, etc....KRIS KING!?!?! Hire refs, trust them, move on.

This all reminds me of the blue puck!

This is about the best point made in a long time. If there were any sort of "rigging" going on this (PIT vs EDM) would be the outcome. Nothing is rigged, but these replays looking for 1/4 inch offside entry 60 seconds before a goal and slight goaltender interference are ridiculous.

The players play for 20yrs trying to make the show, refs pretty much the same, and most owners have at least one other business that's more important for revenue generation (their teams are their "outlet", fun, etc.). There is no rigging whatsoever. The problem is micromanagement by non-management types. Kris King deciding the outcome of all of these years of skill development, investment, time, energy, etc....KRIS KING!?!?! Hire refs, trust them, move on.

This all reminds me of the blue puck!
- JLO961

No way.

McDavid vs. Crosby or not, EDM going to the cup loses a poop of the American audience. Can't imagine the US networks want that, nor does it do anything to grow the sport south of the border.

The playoffs are a business opportunity for the NHL. Exactly how much new money is there in EDM or even Canada to be had? It's paltry compared to the US market.

These aren't blown calls according to Bettman and the league. They're well aware of this poop and are fine with it if it makes the league money.

There's no other explanation for the significant number of "blown calls" and inconsistency when there's VIDEO PROOF ON EVERY PLAY. They've pushed the envelope to see exactly what they could get away with and now it feels like they've gotten too bold in trying to influence game outcomes and fans everywhere are starting to take notice.
- As_I_See_It

I disagree actually. There is so much that goes on that people don't know about, and refs and linesmen missing calls is part of that. The problem is them trying to control everything and try to get EVERYTHING right, when they can't possibly do that. This type of management can extend almost infinitely. When will it stop? Will they have a body camera on every single player and determine if a butt-end is allowed at 1.5inches but 2.0inches is a penalty? There is a 3.75" spot where you cannot crosscheck the back, but outside of that it's okay? Will they mic up every player to make sure there are no racial slurs or bullying comments? Why not put a chip in their skates that makes the entire ice surface turn red if there are 6 skaters on at once?

Seriously, this is all just ridiculous and getting out of control...it's like Liberals trying to spend themselves out of debt ff sake. Why not just give them all mini Stanley Cups and a participant ribbon and pay everyone the same?

No way.

McDavid vs. Crosby or not, EDM going to the cup loses a poop of the American audience. Can't imagine the US networks want that, nor does it do anything to grow the sport south of the border.

The playoffs are a business opportunity for the NHL. Exactly how much new money is there in EDM or even Canada to be had? It's paltry compared to the US market.
- As_I_See_It

A pretty good point actually. (but I still strongly disagree that there is anything sinister going on in terms of pre-determined outcomes).

I disagree actually. There is so much that goes on that people don't know about, and refs and linesmen missing calls is part of that. The problem is them trying to control everything and try to get EVERYTHING right, when they can't possibly do that. This type of management can extend almost infinitely. When will it stop? Will they have a body camera on every single player and determine if a butt-end is allowed at 1.5inches but 2.0inches is a penalty? There is a 3.75" spot where you cannot crosscheck the back, but outside of that it's okay? Will they mic up every player to make sure there are no racial slurs or bullying comments? Why not put a chip in their skates that makes the entire ice surface turn red if there are 6 skaters on at once?

Seriously, this is all just ridiculous and getting out of control...it's like Liberals trying to spend themselves out of debt ff sake. Why not just give them all mini Stanley Cups and a participant ribbon and pay everyone the same?
- JLO961

We are talking about game changing calls... Goals... Blatant goalie interference... Offsides that would disallow goal... ALL ON CAMERA.

There have been N-U-M-E-R-O-U-S goalie interference goals that have been disallowed for MUCH less than we saw from Perry in G4 and Kesler in G5. It's actually (frank)ing disgraceful how bad those non-calls were.

It's getting to the point where refs are determining and hugely influencing the game and it's outcome, AND THAT'S THE LAST THING THAT SHOULD BE HAPPENING!! How can anyone argue otherwise?

Here is my two cents. Nurse pushed him in . we have all seen that play happen and its a good goal. my issue is the push in has nothing to do with perry or kessler whomever was on their hands and knees there. gabbing talbots pad. that should have been interference. if the replay can only tell that weather or not he was pushed in then the replay procedures need to be looked at, that should have been no goal.

A pretty good point actually. (but I still strongly disagree that there is anything sinister going on in terms of pre-determined outcomes).
- JLO961

I strongly disagree. The NHL is a business and the number one objective of businesses like the NHL is profit.

The officiating and scheduling are just two of the means that they can influence. You don't think that Bettman is interested in using whatever tools are available to him to earn the league more money and growth the sport wherever he can? No to mention his personal interests job performance and security.

Sorry dude, but you're far too trusting of Bettman and his band a billionaires. How do you think the owners became billionaires in the first place? It certainly wasn't fate, letting the chips fall where they may or leaving vast amounts of money on the table.

We are talking about game changing calls... Goals... Blatant goalie interference... Offsides that would disallow goal... ALL ON CAMERA.

There have been N-U-M-E-R-O-U-S goalie interference goals that have been disallowed for MUCH less than we saw from Perry in G4 and Kesler in G5. It's actually (frank)ing disgraceful how bad those non-calls were.

It's getting to the point where refs are determining and hugely influencing the game and it's outcome, AND THAT'S THE LAST THING THAT SHOULD BE HAPPENING!! How can anyone argue otherwise?
- As_I_See_It

Yeah, I don't get it. The human error argument is very stretched here for sure. I don't have an argument for you other than I just can't picture them doing it on purpose. But again, I don't really have much of an argument against what you're saying.

It's game 6 of the second round for my Oilers and I am not excited about the game. I'm worried that the refs will dictate the outcome, as you've pointed out. I do think it's quite possible that the human error or bias may just be in the Oilers' favor tonight though...given the BS they've dealt with up to this point.

I'm also worried that Lucic's fat head will explode and he will single-handedly lose the game for EDM.