Sign Ghost long-term

Sign Ghost long-term
- PhillySportsGuy

Longest I'd go is 6 years, as long as the aav is 4.5 mil or less. Would prefer 5 years.

Gonna put some crow in the freezer for all of you short termers

Gonna put some crow in the freezer for all of you short termers
- YuenglingJagr

are you going to put it on a stick first??

are you going to put it on a stick first??
- hrocks66

and beer batter it?

Longest I'd go is 6 years, as long as the aav is 4.5 mil or less. Would prefer 5 years.
- BiggE

In my mind, Ghost is already a $4.5M player and the 6/7 year contract takes him through his prime. I just don't see a ton of risk with him especially when you can project him having better partners than MacDonald and Manning in the future.

A contract is only a bad contract if no team is willing to take him for free. I just don't see that happening with a 40+ point defenseman in his 20s.

In my mind, Ghost is already a $4.5M player and the 6/7 year contract takes him through his prime. I just don't see a ton of risk with him especially when you can project him having better partners than MacDonald and Manning in the future.

A contract is only a bad contract if no team is willing to take him for free. I just don't see that happening with a 40+ point defenseman in his 20s.
- PhillySportsGuy

My biggest fear with 5+ year contracts is complacency and, in the case of Ghost, injuries. He's already had a serious leg injury and another major surgery. This is concerning when you are talking about an undersized Dman whose game is based on skill and quickness.

Longest I'd go is 6 years, as long as the aav is 4.5 mil or less. Would prefer 5 years.
- BiggE

Sounds reasonable to me.

My biggest fear with 5+ year contracts is complacency and, in the case of Ghost, injuries. He's already had a serious leg injury and another major surgery. This is concerning when you are talking about an undersized Dman whose game is based on skill and quickness.
- BiggE

we better not take nolan then

My biggest fear with 5+ year contracts is complacency and, in the case of Ghost, injuries. He's already had a serious leg injury and another major surgery. This is concerning when you are talking about an undersized Dman whose game is based on skill and quickness.
- BiggE

Also if he isn't scoring it's not like he is a shutdown guy. So if the points stop or he struggles it's not like he is going to be relied on to kill penalties or go against and slow down top lines.

In a way he is very boom or bust. I think 5 years is longest I go. I would really try to stay in the 3.75-4 range.

My biggest fear with 5+ year contracts is complacency and, in the case of Ghost, injuries. He's already had a serious leg injury and hip surgery. This is concerning when you are talking about an undersized Dman whose game is based on skill and quickness.
- BiggE

It's a concern, but losing Ghost in FA during his prime or signing him to a longer, more expensive deal are also concerns.

I think the biggest separation with some of us is that the ones who like fancy stats probably view Ghost more favorably than those who don't.

Also if he isn't scoring it's not like he is a shutdown guy. So if the points stop or he struggles it's not like he is going to be relied on to kill penalties or go against and slow down top lines.

In a way he is very boom or bust. I think 5 years is longest I go. I would really try to stay in the 3.75-4 range.
- J35Bacher

There is really nothing to suggest Ghost would stop scoring. There's more evidence that guys like Morin and Hagg will never amount to anything.

It's a concern, but losing Ghost in FA during his prime or signing him to a longer, more expensive deal are also concerns.

I think the biggest separation with some of us is that the ones who like fancy stats probably view Ghost more favorably than those who don't.
- PhillySportsGuy

#Fancystatscrowd

It's a concern, but losing Ghost in FA during his prime or signing him to a longer, more expensive deal are also concerns.

I think the biggest separation with some of us is that the ones who like fancy stats probably view Ghost more favorably than those who don't.
- PhillySportsGuy

It's more about his frame and asset management than his on ice performance. I love him as a player, as a GM though, I'd be hesitant going past 5 years.

Gonna put some crow in the freezer for all of you short termers
- YuenglingJagr

It'll look good in there next to all your dead ferrets

There is really nothing to suggest Ghost would stop scoring. There's more evidence that guys like Morin and Hagg will never amount to anything.
- PhillySportsGuy

I think Morin and Hagg will actually be fine. I think Hagg will be more like a Provorov. Not as dynamic but rely on his positioning and hockey IQ to make plays. I see Morin doing his role fine.

It'll look good in there next to all your dead ferrets
- mayorofangrytown

Gerbils, but I won't tell you how they suffocated

It's more about his frame and asset management than his on ice performance. I love him as a player, as a GM though, I'd be hesitant going past 5 years.
- BiggE

He will be 31 by the end of a 7 year deal...not 40

His body doesn't take too much abuse either due to how quick he is. I really am baffled by how many people are worried about it. We gave Andrew MacDonald a 6/30 contract and we are worried about 7/31.5 for Ghost?

My biggest fear with 5+ year contracts is complacency and, in the case of Ghost, injuries. He's already had a serious leg injury and another major surgery. This is concerning when you are talking about an undersized Dman whose game is based on skill and quickness.
- BiggE

I am OK with a two year bridge deal at around $3.5m because there is less short term risk for the Flyers, and they'll get more information to base his big deal on.

The obvious trade off is that if Ghost scores 100 points combined in the next two seasons then they'll be looking at a $7m+ AAV to sign him long term at age 26.

I am OK with a two year bridge deal at around $3.5m because there is less short term risk for the Flyers, and they'll get more information to base his big deal on.

The obvious trade off is that if Ghost scores 100 points combined in the next two seasons then they'll be looking at a $7m+ AAV to sign him long term at age 26.
- Feanor[/quote]


I am pretty confident he won't see a 7m AAV.

In my mind, Ghost is already a $4.5M player and the 6/7 year contract takes him through his prime. I just don't see a ton of risk with him especially when you can project him having better partners than MacDonald and Manning in the future.

A contract is only a bad contract if no team is willing to take him for free. I just don't see that happening with a 40+ point defenseman in his 20s.
- PhillySportsGuy

Other than the effect of the injury, Gostisbehere's struggles has zilch to do with who his partners were. Those struggles give me pause in signing him to that long of a deal. I think there is merit to the idea of giving him longer term to save an AAV if he explodes offensively.

I am OK with a two year bridge deal at around $3.5m because there is less short term risk for the Flyers, and they'll get more information to base his big deal on.

The obvious trade off is that if Ghost scores 100 points combined in the next two seasons then they'll be looking at a $7m+ AAV to sign him long term at age 26.
- Feanor

Say Sanheim comes in and puts in good point production, Provorov will continue to get better, Hagg chips in somewhat steadily. We could be in a situation where we don't exactly need him. Obviously I want him but if he is going to force our hand we could be in a situation where we are ok to let him walk. Just a worst comes to worst scenario with a two year bridge.

Say Sanheim comes in and puts in good point production, Provorov will continue to get better, Hagg chips in somewhat steadily. We could be in a situation where we don't exactly need him. Obviously I want him but if he is going to force our hand we could be in a situation where we are ok to let him walk. Just a worst comes to worst scenario with a two year bridge.
- ClaudeFather

It would just be TERRIBLE to have a good 25/26/27 year old defenseman signed with cost controlled term available for a trade. Just the worst.

It would just be TERRIBLE to have a good 25/26/27 year old defenseman signed with cost controlled term available for a trade. Just the worst.
- YuenglingJagr

Exactly, we would be alright.

Other than the effect of the injury, Gostisbehere's struggles has zilch to do with who his partners were. Those struggles give me pause in signing him to that long of a deal. I think there is merit to the idea of giving him longer term to save an AAV if he explodes offensively.
- MJL

My point was more that a better partner like Gudas would help mask some of his weaknesses