Right. My point was that he tried to pass their hiring as someone else's failure.
- Slump Buster

I don't think that was his intention, his intention was to point out that he's going to be involved in hiring them this time, because he wasn't before

Everyone that is being interviewed is highly regarded or they wouldn't be getting interviewed no?

LA's style is not the style I want to be playing either. It's like the style of team Murray envisioned and that didn't really work now did it?
- Stripes77

Yes your 100% right! Style might not be the issue though? You look at the roster and today's game is youth and speed and so on ,so hopefully they'll listen to what the candidates say their visions are going forward and make the right choice

People moaned and complained about Darcy/Lindy being here for too long etc, etc.

Hated how Ralph/Golisano were cheap, wouldn't spend etc.

Now we have an owner who will go after big fish, fire people who don't perform and spend money.

Nah, that sucks too
- sbroads24

This. I hear some variety of this all the time and its disappointing to say the least. Some sports fans are intolerable and I sometimes wonder if our fanbase will deserves all the "suffering" that Darcy warned was coming years ago.

1.) Lets not act like they get NOTHING out of the money they spent.

2.) They money they spent does not mean they forever escape criticism.

All that being said - I totally agree on the bolded and agree that people are taking the criticism way too far. Its been what, 6 years for the Sabres and less than 3 for the Bills? Regardless of what was said, people shouldn't have expected that it was all going to be turned around so quickly.
- Phatjohnsn

I honestly have no idea if the Sabres make money. I think they did for like 2 years under Galisano when he implemented "video scouting" and created an internal cap. Now we're spending so much more on scouting, not to mention the fact that besides Eichel jerseys, merch sales must be terrible. So i'm guessing the Sabres lose a decent amount of money every year.

The Bills, i assume, make money (and probably a good amount). So I'm guessing they get a pretty decent ROI there, but they can't have come anywhere close to making back the money they've spent on both

As for escaping criticism, I'm not sure there are many valid criticisms to make. We hired a cup-winning coach and it didn't work out. Our GM was known as a scouting GM at a time where we needed that. The people they have hired let them down, but to say that they don't know what they're doing because Dan Bylsma implemented a sh**ty system doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

I immediately consider someone an idiot if they discredit Wikipedia. It even has dozens of sources at the end of each article. It's a brilliant concept.
- BeadyEyedDouche

Going to Wikipedia for information is often very useful. However, if you're making an argument, you might want to cite the source that Wikipedia cites instead of the source itself. You can stay out of a lot of trouble that way.

It's amazing how vitriolic the media is toward the Pegulas. It's really shameful IMO. They've spent 2 BILLION dollars between the Sabres/Bills/HarborCenter because they love the teams and what they mean to Buffalo. Also, it's not like they're cheap with their spending or anything else. We all want a winner now, but to criticize owners for firing coaches or for extending them and then firing them is crazy to me. It's their money and they're learning on the fly. So Bucky and Sully can go pound salt. The Pegulas are doing just fine
- jcragcrumple

it's not like the people they hired came off the cabbage truck it didn't work out! Move on frank! At least they have money and passion! Alot more then some!

Yes your 100% right! Style might not be the issue though? You look at the roster and today's game is youth and speed and so on ,so hopefully they'll listen to what the candidates say their visions are going forward and make the right choice
- MR.Hunter

I see what Nashville has become and that's what I want Buffalo to look like.

They went from a very defensive team to a very fast offensive team (with an incredible blue line as well)

They have some smaller skilled forwards with speed and blue liners that can get them the puck. It's fun watching them.

A lot of insecure, money worshiping plebeians in the Sabres fan base.

No one is going to deny the Pegulas being committed to or invested in the teams. But they're running them like a fan would, which is terribly.

IDGAF about him being a self-made billionaire (btw, that's a ridiculous term, he had dozens if not hundreds of people supporting him and working for him, but (frank) us working class people right? we only build the country on our backs), he's an absolute moron and revealing his sketchy nature the past month.

On the bolded...

I posted what I posted because you used Wikipedia as your source for CTE, not a medial page, there are several that have posted in depth studies on the matter.

I posted the picture to show you how BS Wikipedia can be. I never said it was or wasn't accurate, but it is not my first choice to post something when stating an opinion especially of the medical variety.

You really shouldn't care what I think but if you post something on a message board especially something like that you better expect a response.
- Stripes77

You posted a picture from a source other than wikipedia, to discredit Wikipedia. Everyone knows you can edit a page, snap a pick, and when it is discovered it will be edited back. Because someone took advantage of the pier review editing, which is what is credited for Wikipedia's accuracy, to make a joke, doesn't give you credence in your claim that it is not reliable. The fact that you tried this, doesn't bode well for your respectability or integrity.

As far as using it as a source, when I Googled CTE, it was the first website shown, and since i merely wanted an overview to show that the symptoms included poor decision making and attention I used it. I encouraged people to read up on it and see for themselves.

You never said the words "it is not accurate" but you said "(of all places)" and then posted a pic from a source that was not Wikipedia saying "next?" If you are now claimimg that you were not criticizing the source, then again it shows dishonesty on your part.

I expect a response, I expect different points of view, but when you throw a tantrum, and use insidious tactics to discredit an argument it is exactly the type of behaviour that starts the arguing and bickering that you claim other people start. You take shots at me because i have an opinion that you disagree with. You act like i am not allowed to voice my opinion. You use condescending remarks like "Jesus Christ" and "drop it" and use nefarious tactics to try to validate your argument. I shoot back at you and I am the jerk

This is exactly the problem with these boards, anyone who has a minority opinion is inevitably met by one or more people that treat them with disrespect and try to insult and discredit them to show off to all their friends. Then when they say something back they are the problem. The end result is a drone of people who are left that all say the same things and think the same way. An echo chamber, where very few people stick around to discuss topics because of the vitriol they are dealt. I give credit to the few who post here regularly that deal with it. You and they know who they are.

I honestly have no idea if the Sabres make money. I think they did for like 2 years under Galisano when he implemented "video scouting" and created an internal cap. Now we're spending so much more on scouting, not to mention the fact that besides Eichel jerseys, merch sales must be terrible. So i'm guessing the Sabres lose a decent amount of money every year.

The Bills, i assume, make money (and probably a good amount). So I'm guessing they get a pretty decent ROI there, but they can't have come anywhere close to making back the money they've spent on both

As for escaping criticism, I'm not sure there are many valid criticisms to make. We hired a cup-winning coach and it didn't work out. Our GM was known as a scouting GM at a time where we needed that. The people they have hired let them down, but to say that they don't know what they're doing because Dan Bylsma implemented a sh**ty system doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.
- jcragcrumple

True, we don't know what they're making but I think its safe to assume that both assets are retaining/increasing in value.

I'm actually with you on the criticism part. I've got no real beef with anything I've heard they have done. Might I have done it differently? Possibly. But then again I wasn't in the room getting all the information they were so best we can all do is speculate.

This. I hear some variety of this all the time and its disappointing to say the least. Some sports fans are intolerable and I sometimes wonder if our fanbase will deserves all the "suffering" that Darcy warned was coming years ago.
- Phatjohnsn

He looks like a mother(frank)ing prophet now lol

The suffering wasn't the tank years, it's ownership under the Pegulas.

So the media should decide who gets a pass and when the honeymoon is over? So when does the honeymoon end? At what point do they start taking blame? They seem to be really good at passing the buck.



- Slump Buster

They should pass the buck; it's their buck! They pay the coaches, and when the coaches suck, they get fired. Is Terry supposed to go on the sideline with a clipboard? No. The honeymoon ends for me when they do something actually warranting criticism (i.e., not spending money, or hiring their nephew to be an assistant coach). Good god, just because Rex and Dan sucked doesn't mean the Pegulas are "over their heads." Those were two highly touted coaches who turned out to be frauds.

A lot of insecure, money worshiping plebeians in the Sabres fan base.

No one is going to deny the Pegulas being committed to or invested in the teams. But they're running them like a fan would, which is terribly.

IDGAF about him being a self-made billionaire (btw, that's a ridiculous term, he had dozens if not hundreds of people supporting him and working for him, but (frank) us working class people right? we only build the country on our backs), he's an absolute moron and revealing his sketchy nature the past month.
- BeadyEyedDouche

I am confused as to what this means. But I'm also scared to know your answer.

He's the owner. Can't fire himself.

I see what Nashville has become and that's what I want Buffalo to look like.

They went from a very defensive team to a very fast offensive team (with an incredible blue line as well)

They have some smaller skilled forwards with speed and blue liners that can get them the puck. It's fun watching them.
- Stripes77

I'd love Calle Jarnkrok on the Sabres

People moaned and complained about Darcy/Lindy being here for too long etc, etc.

Hated how Ralph/Golisano were cheap, wouldn't spend etc.

Now we have an owner who will go after big fish, fire people who don't perform and spend money.

Nah, that sucks too
- sbroads24

I was thinking the same yesterday it seems we as Buffalo fans will never be happy. Got rid of the long tenured guys Ruff and Regier, and didn't stand for the crap GMTM was trying to sell, I thought this is what everyone wanted an owner who cares about winning and doesn't care what it takes to get there.

Fire Murray, Bylsma, Whaley or who ever if its in the interest of improving the team, go for it.

Pegula came in and made the promise or whatever of cups, IMO that was directed at the previous ownership who seemed more interested in making money. He had no experience in running a team, but seems to be trying to learn how. Is he perfect? Hell no! At least hes not just sitting there watching his daughter play tennis.

He looks like a mother(frank)ing prophet now lol

The suffering wasn't the tank years, it's ownership under the Pegulas.
- BeadyEyedDouche

I don't agree.

I think its having to listen to the negativity of many of the people living in this area.

For example, the whole 8th pick thing. I've heard a lot of people do the whole self-loathing "oh thats what happens to Buffalo, we'll always stink".

Here is a crazy idea: maybe we could just take a look at the opportunity the 8th pick provides and think it could help propel us to a playoff spot in the near or long term?

I don't think that was his intention, his intention was to point out that he's going to be involved in hiring them this time, because he wasn't before
- sbroads24

I see what you mean and you may be right. I think his intent was to absolve himself from blame. I think others took it that was as well and that's why he got the followup question.

Either way, he is to blame for a lot of this mess. If he had just created a structure in both organizations (and stuck to it when he rightly fired LaFontaine) he wouldn't be in this mess. He swung and missed a few times, which is fine. The issue that people have is that he looks like a completely amateur at this.

I see what Nashville has become and that's what I want Buffalo to look like.

They went from a very defensive team to a very fast offensive team (with an incredible blue line as well)

They have some smaller skilled forwards with speed and blue liners that can get them the puck. It's fun watching them.
- Stripes77

Ya your got that right! Your a very astout poster!

Buffalo: Hockey..Anhedonia?

I am confused as to what this means. But I'm also scared to know your answer.

He's the owner. Can't fire himself.
- sbroads24

I'm referring to his natural gas business. People blow their loads over him becoming a billionaire in an industry that had a 10 year boon, calling him a "self-made billionaire" except he got loans to start his business like anyone else and had a support system in the form of management and workers numbering possibly in the thousands.

IMO, the working class folk are more important to his success than he is himself, because without the labor, no company would succeed.

And we get paid poop and treated like poop by the upper-classes and then turn around and worship them because of their "success" that came off our our backs. It's a joke.

I see what Nashville has become and that's what I want Buffalo to look like.

They went from a very defensive team to a very fast offensive team (with an incredible blue line as well)

They have some smaller skilled forwards with speed and blue liners that can get them the puck. It's fun watching them.
- Stripes77

Honestly I don't think anybody can copy that team and I'm not trying to be a jackass

A better blueprint would be the Edmonton Oilers in my opinion

Honestly I don't think anybody can copy that team and I'm not trying to be a jackass

A better blueprint would be the Edmonton Oilers in my opinion
- GERBE!!!75PTS

what blueprint? They lucked into their success

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Secret source tells me the Sabres have hired Jason Botterill as GM & will announce it tomorrow.

I don't know, WKSE DJ with 27,000 followers. Buffalo is a smallish town and people do talk.

I don't agree.

I think its having to listen to the negativity of many of the people living in this area.

For example, the whole 8th pick thing. I've heard a lot of people do the whole self-loathing "oh thats what happens to Buffalo, we'll always stink".

Here is a crazy idea: maybe we could just take a look at the opportunity the 8th pick provides and think it could help propel us to a playoff spot in the near or long term?
- Phatjohnsn

I don't know enough about them but you guys are going to have a fun team to watch! And Eichel is going to be motivated! Motherfrankers going to be in the top 5 scoring lol,later guys exciting times in buffalo!

I don't agree.

I think its having to listen to the negativity of many of the people living in this area.

For example, the whole 8th pick thing. I've heard a lot of people do the whole self-loathing "oh thats what happens to Buffalo, we'll always stink".

Here is a crazy idea: maybe we could just take a look at the opportunity the 8th pick provides and think it could help propel us to a playoff spot in the near or long term?
- Phatjohnsn

I think those people are just loudest. There's always the whiner line mentality, but there are a lot more people out there who understand that the Pegulas are doing the best they can while learning on the job. Lots of football teams are passed down from parent to child and there's continuity. The Pegulas have never been around a team. Add in the drought, and Terry's awkwardness during public speaking, and all of a sudden you get people calling him a "clown" and worse. It's disgraceful. These people spent their hard earned money - and continue to - in order to build winning teams. It's not their fault we haven't lucked into a franchise quarterback for the past 20 years