We flipped a lot of picks for NHL ready players over the past few seasons, and look where we are. Make the pick at #8, develop our own guys.
- sskkoo1

Saw this online & wanted to pass it along...

http://www.fanssportonline.com/team/buffalo-sabres


$50 Sabres jerseys, tons of different players
(They've even got Myers for Sbroads! hahaha)

Disclaimer:
Haven't ordered anything from here though,
So I'm not sure the quality

Not really considering they are entirely different.

We can't just fire Ennis with no cap/roster ramifications
- sbroads24

You're missing the point. The minute you give a guy (player, manager, gm, etc) a new contract he is your guy. Period. The reporter who asked him the question also pointed this out and at that point Pegula bailed and said that he was no longer interested in talking about the past. He should have owned it.

Pot meet kettle...

Seriously you are removing a candidate because as you said he MIGHT have CTE.

MIGHT and I MIGHT have bought the winning lottery ticket last night.

Sure CTE is not something to joke about, but do you have any idea how many people could have it? I had several concussions when I played, it is actually one of the main reasons I stopped playing that was over 14 years ago. Does that mean I have CTE because I have gone over 14 years without having an symptoms but I am only 33?

You post something to sound like the smartest guy in the room literally copying something from the internet with a certain year range of when symptoms generally occur and because you didn't take 30 seconds to do a quick check to find out when said person you don't want to be hired retired from playing and not expect someone to call you out on it?

Give it a rest, find a better reason to not want him hired, hell you could have used the Pittsburgh/Pegula connection for all I care but to pull something out of your a$$ like CTE and use it as your only reason?

Literally ever single former player has a higher risk of having CTE. Yet here are several former players that are current GMs...



- Stripes77

You really aren't worth the time, but here goes.
1. I have never posted something untrue to try to validate my point, you just did ten minutes ago.
2. My concerns about the possibility of him having CTE don't rely on 8 or 10 or 12 years. The fact that you keep going back to the two extra years, sorry two and a half lmao, is ridiculous.
3. Every player could have it, true, but the likelihood of someone with a history of severe concussions having it is increased by a lot.
4. I am not trying to sound smart, sorry that you feel threatened that I can put a few coherent sentences together.
5. Why should I care about your opinion that I should give something a rest because you don't feel the same way about it as I do? Are you a delicate snowflake that can't accept the fact that people have different opinions than you do?
6. I am genuinely sorry to hear that you had concussion problems. I am glad you do not have long lasting problems from it. But the fact is that some people do, more people than medical experts realized in the past. And when there is a pool of relatively equally qualified people, and one has a chance of having this condition, and time hasn't ruled out the possibility, it should be considered in the choice. This is my opinion. You can argue about two years all you want. In a decision as important as this, that is not enough time to allay my concerns. If it weren't the chief decision maker of the organization, or if there were five or ten more years between the trauma, I wouldn't be concerned. But with a hire so important, and even a 5% chance that he could develop problems from it, when there are multiple other equally qualified candidates, I feel it should be considered.

Sorry you don't agree, but to act the way you do because someone has an opinion you disagree with is kind of ridiculous. Jesus Christ!!!!

my only concern with GM hire is that they usually bring their own guys with them (scouts and such)


Futa seems like a legit candidate, but LA has done some of the worst drafting and stuck in the past building of any team in the last few years.

with one hand inside his front pocket.....
- RoloTahmasee

ya well could be ! But the owner better get this right! Cause this can't continue to be a revolving door! My choice would be mike futa president ,Paul Fenton v.p.of operations, and Zito. G.m.,then would instruct my team to make sure that the Sabres have the most and highly qualified scouts possible in the entire nhl ,that's where the money needs to go! Imho...p.s. that's quite the 3 headed monster to guide this team!

You're missing the point. The minute you give a guy (player, manager, gm, etc) a new contract he is your guy. Period. The reporter who asked him the question also pointed this out and at that point Pegula bailed and said that he was no longer interested in talking about the past. He should have owned it.
- Slump Buster

Maybe he likes to have his employees to have a sense of security and not do their jobs out of desperation. I don't know. In the end, the teams performance is what matters. I highly doubt either are fired if we were a 10-6, 90 point team

He gave Murray/Whaley, two guys hired by others a fair shot, and they failed. So he moved on. Happens all the time.

You really aren't worth the time, but here goes.
1. I have never posted something untrue to try to validate my point, you just did ten minutes ago.
2. My concerns about the possibility of him having CTE don't rely on 8 or 10 or 12 years. The fact that you keep going back to the two extra years, sorry two and a half lmao, is ridiculous.
3. Every player could have it, true, but the likelihood of someone with a history of severe concussions having it is increased by a lot.
4. I am not trying to sound smart, sorry that you feel threatened that I can put a few coherent sentences together.
5. Why should I care about your opinion that I should give something a rest because you don't feel the same way about it as I do? Are you a delicate snowflake that can't accept the fact that people have different opinions than you do?
6. I am genuinely sorry to hear that you had concussion problems. I am glad you do not have long lasting problems from it. But the fact is that some people do, more people than medical experts realized in the past. And when there is a pool of relatively equally qualified people, and one has a chance of having this condition, and time hasn't ruled out the possibility, it should be considered in the choice. This is my opinion. You can argue about two years all you want. In a decision as important as this, that is not enough time to allay my concerns. If it weren't the chief decision maker of the organization, or if there were five or ten more years between the trauma, I wouldn't be concerned. But with a hire so important, and even a 5% chance that he could develop problems from it, when there are multiple other equally qualified candidates, I feel it should be considered.

Sorry you don't agree, but to act the way you do because someone has an opinion you disagree with is kind of ridiculous. Jesus Christ!!!!
- SabresPanacea

On the bolded...

I posted what I posted because you used Wikipedia as your source for CTE, not a medical page, there are several that have posted in depth studies on the matter.

I posted the picture to show you how BS Wikipedia can be. I never said it was or wasn't accurate, but it is not my first choice to post something when stating an opinion especially of the medical variety.

You really shouldn't care what I think but if you post something on a message board especially something like that you better expect a response.

my only concern with GM hire is that they usually bring their own guys with them (scouts and such)


Futa seems like a legit candidate, but LA has done some of the worst drafting and stuck in the past building of any team in the last few years.
- Sabresfan-365

Futa is the one guy I really don't want.

Mostly because LA is a mess and like you said their drafting has been awful.

You really aren't worth the time, but here goes.
1. I have never posted something untrue to try to validate my point, you just did ten minutes ago.
2. My concerns about the possibility of him having CTE don't rely on 8 or 10 or 12 years. The fact that you keep going back to the two extra years, sorry two and a half lmao, is ridiculous.
3. Every player could have it, true, but the likelihood of someone with a history of severe concussions having it is increased by a lot.
4. I am not trying to sound smart, sorry that you feel threatened that I can put a few coherent sentences together.
5. Why should I care about your opinion that I should give something a rest because you don't feel the same way about it as I do? Are you a delicate snowflake that can't accept the fact that people have different opinions than you do?
6. I am genuinely sorry to hear that you had concussion problems. I am glad you do not have long lasting problems from it. But the fact is that some people do, more people than medical experts realized in the past. And when there is a pool of relatively equally qualified people, and one has a chance of having this condition, and time hasn't ruled out the possibility, it should be considered in the choice. This is my opinion. You can argue about two years all you want. In a decision as important as this, that is not enough time to allay my concerns. If it weren't the chief decision maker of the organization, or if there were five or ten more years between the trauma, I wouldn't be concerned. But with a hire so important, and even a 5% chance that he could develop problems from it, when there are multiple other equally qualified candidates, I feel it should be considered.

Sorry you don't agree, but to act the way you do because someone has an opinion you disagree with is kind of ridiculous. Jesus Christ!!!!
- SabresPanacea

Concussions have NO effect on the hiring! But can he still fight? that should be your discussion!

Maybe he likes to have his employees to have a sense of security and not do their jobs out of desperation. I don't know. In the end, the teams performance is what matters. I highly doubt either are fired if we were a 10-6, 90 point team

He gave Murray/Whaley, two guys hired by others a fair shot, and they failed. So he moved on. Happens all the time.
- sbroads24

Agreed it does happen! But hopefully this time they get it right! These teams need the stability! ..but I'm sure they know this and they'll be able to get great people in place!

1. Yes
2. Yes
3. No one says that, we acknowledge he wants to win and doesn't care about the money. This doesn't equate to being a good owner.
4. Again, who says that?
5. Some fans were "clamoring" for firings, mostly for Bylsma, but not most, and as far as the Bills, almost none.

How is Pegula a meddling owner? He hired Rex Ryan, that was his pick, not Doug Whaley's, at least that was how it was widely reported. Pegula thought he was better qualified to choose a football coach than professional football management

The departure of Pat LaFontaine was rumored because he didn't support an all out tank and his subordinates were going behind his back to get in Pegula's ear. Pegula sided with the tank, and the rest is history.

Two pretty big examples of a meddling owner with very little sports knowledge and experience making the decisions that he hires professionals to make.

Those are stories that have been widely reported. Based on that evidence I think it is reasonable to assume that the Pegulas like to be involved in the decision making and day to day operations of their franchises, which is their right, after all they own the teams. However, it might not be in the best interests of the success of their teams. History has shown it has not worked well and created some problems setting the franchises back.

I don't think anyone doubts that the Pegulas have the best intentions at heart. What does concern people, is that they don't have the knowledge and experience to usurp the decision making of the professionals that have spent their entire careers learning and gaining experience in their respective sports.
- SabresPanacea

1. Yes
2. Yes
3. No one says that, we acknowledge he wants to win and doesn't care about the money. This doesn't equate to being a good owner.
4. Again, who says that?
5. Some fans were "clamoring" for firings, mostly for Bylsma, but not most, and as far as the Bills, almost none.

How is Pegula a meddling owner? He hired Rex Ryan, that was his pick, not Doug Whaley's, at least that was how it was widely reported. Pegula thought he was better qualified to choose a football coach than professional football management

The departure of Pat LaFontaine was rumored because he didn't support an all out tank and his subordinates were going behind his back to get in Pegula's ear. Pegula sided with the tank, and the rest is history.

Two pretty big examples of a meddling owner with very little sports knowledge and experience making the decisions that he hires professionals to make.

Those are stories that have been widely reported. Based on that evidence I think it is reasonable to assume that the Pegulas like to be involved in the decision making and day to day operations of their franchises, which is their right, after all they own the teams. However, it might not be in the best interests of the success of their teams. History has shown it has not worked well and created some problems setting the franchises back.

I don't think anyone doubts that the Pegulas have the best intentions at heart. What does concern people, is that they don't have the knowledge and experience to usurp the decision making of the professionals that have spent their entire careers learning and gaining experience in their respective sports.
- SabresPanacea

You're arguing with the wrong person. I never claimed any of these statements. I've heard all of it before from "our" fanbase sometimes within the same topic of conversation. If you don't think people were clamoring for coaches/GMs to be fired, I don't know where you've been hiding.

Futa is the one guy I really don't want.

Mostly because LA is a mess and like you said their drafting has been awful.
- Stripes77

Actually Google futa and read up on him,he's very highly regarded! And if? Zito was hired as g.m. or head of scouting, you guys would be in great hands!

This was a cop out on Pegula's part. He re-signed both Murray and Whaley. At that point they were his hires.
- Slump Buster

This guy gets it.

Actually Google futa and read up on him,he's very highly regarded! And if? Zito was hired as g.m. or head of scouting, you guys would be in great hands!
- MR.Hunter

Everyone that is being interviewed is highly regarded or they wouldn't be getting interviewed no?

LA's style is not the style I want to be playing either. It's like the style of team Murray envisioned and that didn't really work now did it?

You're missing the point. The minute you give a guy (player, manager, gm, etc) a new contract he is your guy. Period. The reporter who asked him the question also pointed this out and at that point Pegula bailed and said that he was no longer interested in talking about the past. He should have owned it.
- Slump Buster

It's amazing how vitriolic the media is toward the Pegulas. It's really shameful IMO. They've spent 2 BILLION dollars between the Sabres/Bills/HarborCenter because they love the teams and what they mean to Buffalo. Also, it's not like they're cheap with their spending or anything else. We all want a winner now, but to criticize owners for firing coaches or for extending them and then firing them is crazy to me. It's their money and they're learning on the fly. So Bucky and Sully can go pound salt. The Pegulas are doing just fine

Incidentally, recent studies have shown that Wikipedia is more accurate than published encyclopedias. Again, you need to read more.
- SabresPanacea

I immediately consider someone an idiot if they discredit Wikipedia. It even has dozens of sources at the end of each article. It's a brilliant concept.

Because knowledge is power

http://www.tsn.ca/patrick-hischier-in-tight-race-for-no-1-in-tsn-draft-ranking-1.736258[url]

You're arguing with the wrong person. I never claimed any of these statements. I've heard all of it before from "our" fanbase sometimes within the same topic of conversation. If you don't think people were clamoring for coaches/GMs to be fired, I don't know where you've been hiding.
- Phatjohnsn

Murray tried to fast track the rebuild in some ways imho,I think he looked at Edmonton and saw that having mostly a young roster didn't work out,so he traded a few younger guys /picks and signed a free agent or two! That didn't work either and it cost him! Stay the course! I've said before ,you guys have an elite center, elite dman, you should have an elite winger in Nylander and some great wingers! And if you guys pick the dman that I wanted?

It's amazing how vitriolic the media is toward the Pegulas. It's really shameful IMO. They've spent 2 BILLION dollars between the Sabres/Bills/HarborCenter because they love the teams and what they mean to Buffalo. Also, it's not like they're cheap with their spending or anything else. We all want a winner now, but to criticize owners for firing coaches or for extending them and then firing them is crazy to me. It's their money and they're learning on the fly. So Bucky and Sully can go pound salt. The Pegulas are doing just fine
- jcragcrumple

1.) Lets not act like they get NOTHING out of the money they spent.

2.) They money they spent does not mean they forever escape criticism.

All that being said - I totally agree on the bolded and agree that people are taking the criticism way too far. Its been what, 6 years for the Sabres and less than 3 for the Bills? Regardless of what was said, people shouldn't have expected that it was all going to be turned around so quickly.

It's amazing how vitriolic the media is toward the Pegulas. It's really shameful IMO. They've spent 2 BILLION dollars between the Sabres/Bills/HarborCenter because they love the teams and what they mean to Buffalo. Also, it's not like they're cheap with their spending or anything else. We all want a winner now, but to criticize owners for firing coaches or for extending them and then firing them is crazy to me. It's their money and they're learning on the fly. So Bucky and Sully can go pound salt. The Pegulas are doing just fine
- jcragcrumple

People moaned and complained about Darcy/Lindy being here for too long etc, etc.

Hated how Ralph/Golisano were cheap, wouldn't spend etc.

Now we have an owner who will go after big fish, fire people who don't perform and spend money.

Nah, that sucks too

Maybe he likes to have his employees to have a sense of security and not do their jobs out of desperation. I don't know. In the end, the teams performance is what matters. I highly doubt either are fired if we were a 10-6, 90 point team

He gave Murray/Whaley, two guys hired by others a fair shot, and they failed. So he moved on. Happens all the time.
- sbroads24

Right. My point was that he tried to pass their hiring as someone else's failure.

It's amazing how vitriolic the media is toward the Pegulas. It's really shameful IMO. They've spent 2 BILLION dollars between the Sabres/Bills/HarborCenter because they love the teams and what they mean to Buffalo. Also, it's not like they're cheap with their spending or anything else. We all want a winner now, but to criticize owners for firing coaches or for extending them and then firing them is crazy to me. It's their money and they're learning on the fly. So Bucky and Sully can go pound salt. The Pegulas are doing just fine
- jcragcrumple

So the media should decide who gets a pass and when the honeymoon is over? So when does the honeymoon end? At what point do they start taking blame? They seem to be really good at passing the buck.

Murray tried to fast track the rebuild in some ways imho,I think he looked at Edmonton and saw that having mostly a young roster didn't work out,so he traded a few younger guys /picks and signed a free agent or two! That didn't work either and it cost him! Stay the course! I've said before ,you guys have an elite center, elite dman, you should have an elite winger in Nylander and some great wingers! And if you guys pick the dman that I wanted?
- MR.Hunter

The bolded part is 100% right but none of it is really the Pegulas' "fault" ... he gave his blessing to hockey guys (Lafontaine/Murray/Bylsma - however you want to write that whole story). He then felt that those guys were not successful and canned them to go to (hopefully) a more competent set of hockey guys. This is how almost all sports owners act so I'm really not sure why people are surprised.

Also, fwiw, I wanted Murray to stay and don't think Whaley firing really had to happen.