Kessel may be fat, but damn does that man have an evil wrister. Such a fast release.

Kessel may be fat, but damn does that man have an evil wrister. Such a fast release.
- TheTaoOfSemenko

He's actually not fat, just his face lol

He's actually not fat, just his face lol
- Rinosaur

I won't even begin to act like I thought Fleury would be playing like this. I honestly thought he'd collapse this team and I'm very happy to have been and continue to be wrong.
- Rinosaur

If he didn't get hurt last year he would have still been "the guy" all this year.

Rutherford should have no issue trading Fleury in the off-season.
- Rinosaur

If the Pens won the cup (Huge if) would they consider moving Murray in the offseason? Key word here is consider! They will probably protect 7F and 3d! Could they move Murray and Maatta (assuming he would get taken)? They re are teams like Dallas that desperately need a goaltender and have assets... #3 overall pick.

If he didn't get hurt last year he would have still been "the guy" all this year.
- Grinder47

I actually said last year I believe the Pens still win the cup with him in net. Fleury had brought his mental game to another level last year before getting injured.

If the Pens won the cup (Huge if) would they consider moving Murray in the offseason? Key word here is consider! They will probably protect 7F and 3d! Could they move Murray and Maatta (assuming he would get taken)? They re are teams like Dallas that desperately need a goaltender and have assets... #3 overall pick.
- Brianandr1

You still move Fleury. You don't trade a young starting goalie who you can hold onto for the next ten years for two more years of Fleury no matter how good he is. You have to consider the future of this team.

If the Pens won the cup (Huge if) would they consider moving Murray in the offseason? Key word here is consider! They will probably protect 7F and 3d! Could they move Murray and Maatta (assuming he would get taken)? They re are teams like Dallas that desperately need a goaltender and have assets... #3 overall pick.
- Brianandr1

Yes they should see what offers come. Even if they only get to finals. And pens likely to protect 4 and 4. No forward loss would e devastating but losing any of the top 4 d men could be

You still move Fleury. You don't trade a young starting goalie who you can hold onto for the next ten years for two more years of Fleury no matter how good he is. You have to consider the future of this team.
- Rinosaur

By moving Murray you could be considering the future of the team. Jarry and the futures murray could bring back. If Murray garnered a 1st rounder and a solid prospect and the team believes Jarry has good odds of being a future starter then they have to weigh the options. Good position to be in though. Either way pens win

By moving Murray you could be considering the future of the team. Jarry and the futures murray could bring back. If Murray garnered a 1st rounder and a solid prospect and the team believes Jarry has good odds of being a future starter then they have to weigh the options. Good position to be in though. Either way pens win
- ChrisMS

Banking on Jarry is a gamble.

Murray will garner a 1st rounder, but you move Fleury then in two years you're going to be possibly searching for a goalie which is not easy at all.

You also have Murray cost-controlled for three years.

I doubt anyone predicted MAF would be this dominant but a whole lot of people predicted he was still a goalie with the ability to lead a team on a cup run.

Every game closer to the cup is one game closer to GMJR legitimately having to look at what kind of return Murray would bring back and compare that to the return for MAF. Even a strong MAF supported like myself recognizes Murray is damn awesome. But if they are sold on Jarry down the line and Murray brought back a return similar or better than Schneider's return GMJR would have to listen
- ChrisMS

I doubt that. I like Fleury too, but I still think Murray is the better goalie, and at Murray's cap hit next year it's a better value than Fleury at his, which gives the Pens an extra 2 million to improve the team. Regardless of how well Fleury plays, I don't see any reason to think that the is the Pens goalie moving past this season, and I like the dude. I just don't think he's better than Murray. Even if they were equal in talent, Murray's age and contract is much more preferred than Fleury's, IMO.

Banking on Jarry is a gamble.

Murray will garner a 1st rounder, but you move Fleury then in two years you're going to be possibly searching for a goalie which is not easy at all.

You also have Murray cost-controlled for three years.
- Rinosaur

Yep, moving Murray and keeping Fleury would be a mistake.

You still move Fleury. You don't trade a young starting goalie who you can hold onto for the next ten years for two more years of Fleury no matter how good he is. You have to consider the future of this team.
- Rinosaur

I only proposed that because the d man that will probably be there at 3 Miro Hiskanen is considered one of the top d prospects in a while. And if he's not there the two centers are can't miss. (whatever that means ) I realize that this is unlikely, but for a top3 pick it could be worth considering.

I doubt that. I like Fleury too, but I still think Murray is the better goalie, and at Murray's cap hit next year it's a better value than Fleury at his, which gives the Pens an extra 2 million to improve the team. Regardless of how well Fleury plays, I don't see any reason to think that the is the Pens goalie moving past this season, and I like the dude. I just don't think he's better than Murray. Even if they were equal in talent, Murray's age and contract is much more preferred than Fleury's, IMO.
- j.boyd919

I tend to agree, that why I emphasized consider.

Banking on Jarry is a gamble.

Murray will garner a 1st rounder, but you move Fleury then in two years you're going to be possibly searching for a goalie which is not easy at all.

You also have Murray cost-controlled for three years.
- Rinosaur

That's assuming they don't re up him for a couple more. Goalies usually age better though maf style could make that tough. Then again hasek l aged well

That's assuming they don't re up him for a couple more. Goalies usually age better though maf style could make that tough. Then again hasek l aged well
- ChrisMS

I think its worth considering if the return for Murray is the #3 overall pick (Pure speculation on my part) and the return for Fleury is significantly less. Again I say consider,if the Pens have a 3-5 year window. I think a lot also depends on what the organization thinks about Jarry, DeSmith and Gaustafson.

One thing that we can all agree on is that it's sure nice to have this much depth at goalie.

That's assuming they don't re up him for a couple more. Goalies usually age better though maf style could make that tough. Then again hasek l aged well
- ChrisMS

Fleury is going to be what, 34 when his contract is up? Why would you re-up him at that point? What do you do with Jarry? Trade another potential young starting goalie with maybe a year or two left in him at that point?

You see how many teams struggle to find the right goalie and it's not even for lack of money. Goalies like Murray will not be just floating around the market.

I took a look at the UFA goalies when Fleury's contract is up and it's not good. Rinne, Bobrovsky and Talbot will be the top names outside of Fleury. Rinne will be 37 and likely retire, Bobrosvky is well... Bobrovsky and Talbot will be older.

You have to think long-game, not short.

That's assuming they don't re up him for a couple more. Goalies usually age better though maf style could make that tough. Then again hasek l aged well
- ChrisMS

Pens don't want to be like Vancouver where they keep Loungo and get rid of Schneider (!) and Lack instead

Yep, moving Murray and keeping Fleury would be a mistake.
- j.boyd919

Ageed. Unless there is no market for MAF and the Pens are faced with a buyout in which case you then really consider moving Murray and recouping some assets and go with MAF and Jarry

Fleury is going to be what, 34 when his contract is up? Why would you re-up him at that point? What do you do with Jarry? Trade another potential young starting goalie with maybe a year or two left in him at that point?

You see how many teams struggle to find the right goalie and it's not even for lack of money. Goalies like Murray will not be just floating around the market.

I took a look at the UFA goalies when Fleury's contract is up and it's not good. Rinne, Bobrovsky and Talbot will be the top names outside of Fleury. Rinne will be 37 and likely retire, Bobrosvky is well... Bobrovsky and Talbot will be older.

You have to think long-game, not short.
- Rinosaur

I am thinking long term. Pens have Jarry and Gustafson. Resigning maf would be based on performance. Murray has shown to this point he is injury prone. It would be foolish not to see how much in futures he could bring back. If goaltending is solid without him trading him is thinking about the future.

I want the pens to win the Stanley cup because obviously they're my favorite team. But I think I'm rooting for Phil Kessel to win the Conn smythe more

I think its worth considering if the return for Murray is the #3 overall pick (Pure speculation on my part) and the return for Fleury is significantly less. Again I say consider,if the Pens have a 3-5 year window. I think a lot also depends on what the organization thinks about Jarry, DeSmith and Gaustafson.
- Brianandr1

If the offer was the third overall pick and niemi with 50% retained I'd think about it. I might want more though.

Pens don't want to be like Vancouver where they keep Loungo and get rid of Schneider (!) and Lack instead
- DeflatedPucks

That is a good point

I want the pens to win the Stanley cup because obviously they're my favorite team. But I think I'm rooting for Phil Kessel to win the Conn smythe more
- drummer829

Good guy. Works hard.