If Crosby unfortunately retires maybe Pitts will need a good leader?

...hmmmm 19?

Keep looking at the Hawks Salary page
When Kruger exits

•4 forwards over 1 million- everyone else under a million and Hossa is 39.
•Toews- Kane- Seabrook- close to 40% of the Cap - add Crawford and it's 46%!!!

It's an NHL Team running on AHL salaries

Beating a dead horse but how at his age did Seabs manage that deal?
- Colbyboy

he was a huge part of 3 cups and 5 WC finals in 7 years...that's how...you get paid for what you did...not what you are going to do...

Bowman does not have it in his DNA to tell the core that is to much. Look at stamkos. TB knew he wanted to stay and was happy to have him back at a fair price. He wanted $10 and they said 8.5 he said no and went to FA and went back at 8.5. When seabs asked for 7 mil for 8 years when FA's can only give 7 years so the actually value of the contract is 8 mil over 7 years from a FA team. How many teams have that kind of money for a 31 year old? And is that a team were he would want to go. He never would have gotten that. we are talking Hedmon, Subban, Weber, type money for guys that are perennially Norris trophy winners and all those guys contracts are in there prime not past it. He has never been a top d man and now is more like top 50 and going down. there are some contracts you know might be bad at the end. (Hossa) but if they are good for 2/3 of the deal you do it to get you over the top. Seabs was overpaid and a bad deal the day he got his 1st check. he should waive for the EXP draft so we can keep TVR as a favor to Bowman and wirtz.
- kmw4631

Couple of things...

1) Stamkos also plays most of his games in Florida, where there is no state income tax. That helps TB on the bottom line.

2) TBL is NOT the Chicago Blackhawks and never will be.

3) Seabrook has ALWAYS been overshadowed by Keith. And I think he's fine with it, but the Blackhawks are rewarding him for the lean years as well as the 3 in 6 years.

4) I still believe Rocky, and by extension, the entire Blackhawk organization is trying to make up for his father's cheapness.

5) Can we stop accusing Stan of not being able to negotiate? We aren't in the room. We don't know what happened.

6) This team's core will be remembered alongside the Blackhawk greats, Mikita, Hull, etc. They deserve to be rewarded for it. They didn't just win 3 in 6, they elevated a moribund ORIGINAL SIX franchise from the netherworld to a team that is expected to compete for the Cup EVERY YEAR. Even when I watched this team in teh late 80's early 90's I always had a feeling it was a fleeting moment.

7) Contracts change in value over time. Some become worse value and some become better value. Hossa's REAL money is good value, but the recapture is bad value. Hammer and Crawford's contracts are good value...now.

Couple of things...

1) Stamkos also plays most of his games in Florida, where there is no state income tax. That helps TB on the bottom line.

2) TBL is NOT the Chicago Blackhawks and never will be.

3) Seabrook has ALWAYS been overshadowed by Keith. And I think he's fine with it, but the Blackhawks are rewarding him for the lean years as well as the 3 in 6 years.

4) I still believe Rocky, and by extension, the entire Blackhawk organization is trying to make up for his father's cheapness.

5) Can we stop accusing Stan of not being able to negotiate? We aren't in the room. We don't know what happened.

6) This team's core will be remembered alongside the Blackhawk greats, Mikita, Hull, etc. They deserve to be rewarded for it. They didn't just win 3 in 6, they elevated a moribund ORIGINAL SIX franchise from the netherworld to a team that is expected to compete for the Cup EVERY YEAR. Even when I watched this team in teh late 80's early 90's I always had a feeling it was a fleeting moment.

7) Contracts change in value over time. Some become worse value and some become better value. Hossa's REAL money is good value, but the recapture is bad value. Hammer and Crawford's contracts are good value...now.
- CanOCorn

Every player pays for games they pay in for every state. So for those purposes he plays 1/2 his games in FL so the st income effect is not as big as you think. Teows and kane pay 3.5% I believe on 1/2 there games in IL. So we are talking $300k per year he saves in taxes between playing in CHI compared to FL. They much bigger deal is the diff between a 7 year and 8 year (that is 1.2 mil) Also when Seabs signed his 5 year deal for 5.8 he was paid like a top 10 d man in the league (which he was much closer to but was not probably not) so to say he was under paid on his last deal is just not true. He was probably paid fairly on his last deal and overpaid on this deal. If his last deal was 4.5 Mil then overpaying makes more sense.

in regard to #7 I agree that values change over contracts. Bickell looked like a$4mil player in the 2013 playoffs he never did again. When has Seabs ever looked like a top 5 d man (like he is being paid like)

Couple of things...

1) Stamkos also plays most of his games in Florida, where there is no state income tax. That helps TB on the bottom line.

2) TBL is NOT the Chicago Blackhawks and never will be.

3) Seabrook has ALWAYS been overshadowed by Keith. And I think he's fine with it, but the Blackhawks are rewarding him for the lean years as well as the 3 in 6 years.

4) I still believe Rocky, and by extension, the entire Blackhawk organization is trying to make up for his father's cheapness.

5) Can we stop accusing Stan of not being able to negotiate? We aren't in the room. We don't know what happened.

6) This team's core will be remembered alongside the Blackhawk greats, Mikita, Hull, etc. They deserve to be rewarded for it. They didn't just win 3 in 6, they elevated a moribund ORIGINAL SIX franchise from the netherworld to a team that is expected to compete for the Cup EVERY YEAR. Even when I watched this team in teh late 80's early 90's I always had a feeling it was a fleeting moment.

7) Contracts change in value over time. Some become worse value and some become better value. Hossa's REAL money is good value, but the recapture is bad value. Hammer and Crawford's contracts are good value...now.
- CanOCorn

Well said CanOCorn. Fans of franchises that have never won would kill to win just one cup. I imagine the Nashville fans are having the time of their life's right now being only one game away from the Western Conference championship. It's a great feeling as we all know. Tomorrow is not promised to any of us. Enjoy this team, with this front office, with these great players. Because it could get a ton worse once the core has retired....and likely will.

Couple of things...

1) Stamkos also plays most of his games in Florida, where there is no state income tax. That helps TB on the bottom line.

2) TBL is NOT the Chicago Blackhawks and never will be.

3) Seabrook has ALWAYS been overshadowed by Keith. And I think he's fine with it, but the Blackhawks are rewarding him for the lean years as well as the 3 in 6 years.

4) I still believe Rocky, and by extension, the entire Blackhawk organization is trying to make up for his father's cheapness.

5) Can we stop accusing Stan of not being able to negotiate? We aren't in the room. We don't know what happened.

6) This team's core will be remembered alongside the Blackhawk greats, Mikita, Hull, etc. They deserve to be rewarded for it. They didn't just win 3 in 6, they elevated a moribund ORIGINAL SIX franchise from the netherworld to a team that is expected to compete for the Cup EVERY YEAR. Even when I watched this team in teh late 80's early 90's I always had a feeling it was a fleeting moment.

7) Contracts change in value over time. Some become worse value and some become better value. Hossa's REAL money is good value, but the recapture is bad value. Hammer and Crawford's contracts are good value...now.
- CanOCorn

Thank you .Some are new to the Party ,and don't know just how bad it was . I met Rocky at a game one time , he was a very gracious and down to earth guy . I thank him for bring the HAWKS back . I have heard he is well respected by employees of his for loyalty and generously .I believe you can see that with his players also . GO HAWKS !!

Couple of things...

1) Stamkos also plays most of his games in Florida, where there is no state income tax. That helps TB on the bottom line.

2) TBL is NOT the Chicago Blackhawks and never will be.

3) Seabrook has ALWAYS been overshadowed by Keith. And I think he's fine with it, but the Blackhawks are rewarding him for the lean years as well as the 3 in 6 years.

4) I still believe Rocky, and by extension, the entire Blackhawk organization is trying to make up for his father's cheapness.

5) Can we stop accusing Stan of not being able to negotiate? We aren't in the room. We don't know what happened.

6) This team's core will be remembered alongside the Blackhawk greats, Mikita, Hull, etc. They deserve to be rewarded for it. They didn't just win 3 in 6, they elevated a moribund ORIGINAL SIX franchise from the netherworld to a team that is expected to compete for the Cup EVERY YEAR. Even when I watched this team in teh late 80's early 90's I always had a feeling it was a fleeting moment.

7) Contracts change in value over time. Some become worse value and some become better value. Hossa's REAL money is good value, but the recapture is bad value. Hammer and Crawford's contracts are good value...now.
- CanOCorn

Yep!

Couple of things...

1) Stamkos also plays most of his games in Florida, where there is no state income tax. That helps TB on the bottom line.

2) TBL is NOT the Chicago Blackhawks and never will be.

3) Seabrook has ALWAYS been overshadowed by Keith. And I think he's fine with it, but the Blackhawks are rewarding him for the lean years as well as the 3 in 6 years.

4) I still believe Rocky, and by extension, the entire Blackhawk organization is trying to make up for his father's cheapness.

5) Can we stop accusing Stan of not being able to negotiate? We aren't in the room. We don't know what happened.

6) This team's core will be remembered alongside the Blackhawk greats, Mikita, Hull, etc. They deserve to be rewarded for it. They didn't just win 3 in 6, they elevated a moribund ORIGINAL SIX franchise from the netherworld to a team that is expected to compete for the Cup EVERY YEAR. Even when I watched this team in teh late 80's early 90's I always had a feeling it was a fleeting moment.

7) Contracts change in value over time. Some become worse value and some become better value. Hossa's REAL money is good value, but the recapture is bad value. Hammer and Crawford's contracts are good value...now.
- CanOCorn

This is my biggest beef when people decide to slam Stan. There seems to be a general assumption out there that there was a better deal/opportunity on the table but Stan willingly decided not to take it. I'm not saying Stan couldn't have done better, you can look at every signing or trade any GM has every made and make an argument that he could have done a little bit better. People are quick to say that Stan shouldn't have signed Toews, Kane and Seabrook to their deals but they aren't as quick to provide a realistic alternative. If Seabrook wouldn't accept anything less how would the arm chair GMs have dealt him and replaced him? To say they'd deal him for a younger, cheaper (but just as good) d-man is ridiculous, why would another GM make that deal with Stan?

Couple of things...

1) Stamkos also plays most of his games in Florida, where there is no state income tax. That helps TB on the bottom line.

2) TBL is NOT the Chicago Blackhawks and never will be.

3) Seabrook has ALWAYS been overshadowed by Keith. And I think he's fine with it, but the Blackhawks are rewarding him for the lean years as well as the 3 in 6 years.

4) I still believe Rocky, and by extension, the entire Blackhawk organization is trying to make up for his father's cheapness.

5) Can we stop accusing Stan of not being able to negotiate? We aren't in the room. We don't know what happened.

6) This team's core will be remembered alongside the Blackhawk greats, Mikita, Hull, etc. They deserve to be rewarded for it. They didn't just win 3 in 6, they elevated a moribund ORIGINAL SIX franchise from the netherworld to a team that is expected to compete for the Cup EVERY YEAR. Even when I watched this team in teh late 80's early 90's I always had a feeling it was a fleeting moment.

7) Contracts change in value over time. Some become worse value and some become better value. Hossa's REAL money is good value, but the recapture is bad value. Hammer and Crawford's contracts are good value...now.
- CanOCorn

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Count me in 1000 x 1000. Excellent Post My Friend!!!!!

Just one comment on Stamkos - TB has never won the Cup. They very well could win a few over the next upcoming years - we just don't know. Whether we like it or not contracts to a degree are partially paid by past performances. As God is my witness #7 deserves that contract. I don't care if we ever win again - that guy is a LEADER and has been CLUTCH in the playoffs.

Just one comment on Stamkos - TB has never won the Cup. They very well could win a few over the next upcoming years - we just don't know. Whether we like it or not contracts to a degree are partially paid by past performances. As God is my witness #7 deserves that contract. I don't care if we ever win again - that guy is a LEADER and has been CLUTCH in the playoffs.
- 17SEC

Signed,

Brent Seabrook's father....just kidding.

Just one comment on Stamkos - TB has never won the Cup. They very well could win a few over the next upcoming years - we just don't know. Whether we like it or not contracts to a degree are partially paid by past performances. As God is my witness #7 deserves that contract. I don't care if we ever win again - that guy is a LEADER and has been CLUTCH in the playoffs.
- 17SEC

100% AGREE.

Maybe Toews needs to give the "C" to Seabs next season so he can just focus on playing the game again, without all the other crap that comes with being the captain (media circus),.

Every player pays for games they pay in for every state. So for those purposes he plays 1/2 his games in FL so the st income effect is not as big as you think. Teows and kane pay 3.5% I believe on 1/2 there games in IL. So we are talking $300k per year he saves in taxes between playing in CHI compared to FL. They much bigger deal is the diff between a 7 year and 8 year (that is 1.2 mil) Also when Seabs signed his 5 year deal for 5.8 he was paid like a top 10 d man in the league (which he was much closer to but was not probably not) so to say he was under paid on his last deal is just not true. He was probably paid fairly on his last deal and overpaid on this deal. If his last deal was 4.5 Mil then overpaying makes more sense.

in regard to #7 I agree that values change over contracts. Bickell looked like a$4mil player in the 2013 playoffs he never did again. When has Seabs ever looked like a top 5 d man (like he is being paid like)
- kmw4631

Seabrook has always been 2nd fiddle to Keith. A different type of player. One that doesn't seek or benefit from the PR that other guys have. The key isn't what we see, the key is what the market sees and what he has done. I bet Seabs would have gotten as close to that contract as humanly possible if he went on the open market. I don't know that for sure, but he's a three time cup winner with a big body, the ability to make good stretch passes and plays sound defense (up until this last year). Maybe not top 5, but definitely top 10.

he was a huge part of 3 cups and 5 WC finals in 7 years...that's how...you get paid for what you did...not what you are going to do...
- bogiedoc

Back in the days of NY Yankee dominance - late forties / early fifties - Ed Lopat was negotiating a contract and wanted a raise to $30,000 (I don't remember the exact number). Yankee management refused, saying he hadn't even yet won 20 games in a season, and gave him $25,000.

The next year he won his twenty games - when negotiations began with the Yankees, he wanted to get up to his number. Management said yeah, you did it once - but can you do it again.

It's always a balancing act - you expect that the Hawks with recent new contracts - Toews, Kane, Seabrook, Anisimov, Panarin - will justify the numbers that were at least partially earned by past performance, but you never can tell.

Just one comment on Stamkos - TB has never won the Cup. They very well could win a few over the next upcoming years - we just don't know. Whether we like it or not contracts to a degree are partially paid by past performances. As God is my witness #7 deserves that contract. I don't care if we ever win again - that guy is a LEADER and has been CLUTCH in the playoffs.
- 17SEC

But we DO care if they ever win again - that's why we continue to watch and hope that the offseason brings some kind of improvement for the team, and why some are so obsessed with the NTCs/NMVs/Terms/Cap Hits.

Maybe there were deals to be had, with terms less onerous to the team, that would have satisfied the player/agent/dad/whoever - seems possible - but we don't know.

Every player pays for games they pay in for every state. So for those purposes he plays 1/2 his games in FL so the st income effect is not as big as you think. Teows and kane pay 3.5% I believe on 1/2 there games in IL. So we are talking $300k per year he saves in taxes between playing in CHI compared to FL. They much bigger deal is the diff between a 7 year and 8 year (that is 1.2 mil) Also when Seabs signed his 5 year deal for 5.8 he was paid like a top 10 d man in the league (which he was much closer to but was not probably not) so to say he was under paid on his last deal is just not true. He was probably paid fairly on his last deal and overpaid on this deal. If his last deal was 4.5 Mil then overpaying makes more sense.

in regard to #7 I agree that values change over contracts. Bickell looked like a$4mil player in the 2013 playoffs he never did again. When has Seabs ever looked like a top 5 d man (like he is being paid like)
- kmw4631

Interesting idea that I've thought about, and how it could possibly work. Since there is a salary cap set across the board for all teams, and players are looking to maximize the amount of money they take home, when it comes down to money alone, a team like TB has the advantage over a team like TOR, simply put, down to the dollars and cents. It would be interesting to see an adjustment put in place with a changing cap number based on team, that would take into account US/CAN dollar, individual city/state tax. Find a way to make $1 US in CHI ($73M cap) equal $1 US in TB ($68M cap) equal $1 CAN in TOR ($75M cap). That way, when it comes down to it, the best offer and best situation prevail. Dollars equal, lets see exactly what a player wants to do. If a team really wants someone, they have to extend more years/more money, rather than being able to offer less money, while giving the actual player more in his pocket. Don't know how it would work, or if it's even possible. Interesting concept, I did have a few beers when I originally thought of it.

he was a huge part of 3 cups and 5 WC finals in 7 years...that's how...you get paid for what you did...not what you are going to do...
- bogiedoc

Exactly true and exactly the biggest problem with sports salaries under salary caps. A better system would have a base salary of three to five tiers, then bonuses based off of performance.

Better to be a "has been" than a "never was". Your trolling is comical considering your poor excuse for a Franchise has NEVER EVEN SEEN THE 3rd ROUND!!! Worst jerseys in the league and The Preds are not going to beat the Pacific Division winner, much less the Penguins. Go back to your cave.
- EnzoD

- pred_26

Man you're an ugly human. Also, that right eye looks to be on the verge of pink eye, make to have your cousin wipe fully before you stick your face back there, just some advice.

he was a huge part of 3 cups and 5 WC finals in 7 years...that's how...you get paid for what you did...not what you are going to do...
- bogiedoc

That is the biggest piece of BS I have ever heard. That is what got GM's into trouble before the salary cap. Paying players like Gilmour, well past his prime, 6M a year because he USED to be good. That's why guys like Saad coming off of entry level deals are getting 4, 5, 6M. They are getting paid for what they are (hopefully) going to do.

I don't care how good the player is if they are 29+ they should NEVER get a raise. Unless they were grossly underpaid which Seabrook was not. He should have, at most, been given the 5.8 he was making in his previous deal. His skill set was only going to diminish. Yes he was a big part of 5 WC finals and 3 cups but that in itself does not warrant a raise and if I was an owner I would fire any GM that thought that way. It is short sighted managing. Seabrook should have been traded for a blue chip D prospect and possible pick. Yes it would have weakened the team short term but you have to get younger and faster not older and slower.

Man you're an ugly human. Also, that right eye looks to be on the verge of pink eye, make to have your cousin wipe fully before you stick your face back there, just some advice.
- HawksHype

It's not me I'm a woman hahha

It's not me I'm a woman hahha
- pred_26

Ok.... then make sure to wipe before that guy throws his face back there.

Ok.... then make sure to wipe before that guy throws his face back there.
- HawksHype

So if you should only get paid for rings then why is tom Brady not in the top 10 of highest paid QB's. If Seabrook should be paid as a Norris Trophy type player with Rings then Brady should be making 30 million not 20. NE is the only dynasty in hard cap sports and the players, owners and GM's understand there is a give and take that comes with that. So what you are saying is SEABS got paid for his rings and he could clearly care less if he got anymore.