Kane has shown that he can carry the 2nd line with a center that can win faceoffs and an unknown left wing (Richards and Versteeg).

What's stopping us from trading Panarin? The hawks could get a massive return like a promising prospect + pick. Or the hawks could go a pure hockey trade like Panarin + ?? for Duchene.
- RedRevenge

I must admit I've soured on Panarin too. Never goes to the middle. Rarely plays all out defense. Dangle him out there and see what's offered.

You're correct sir. Keep in mind, experience goes a long way also.
- 93Joe

yes, the Hawks need to get younger, cheaper and more experienced! Perhaps reacquire Mark McNeill? And see if Brandon Perri is available.

Speaking of everyone's favorite smurf (next to Kane, of course):

Scott Powers‏ @ByScottPowers 24s24 seconds ago
Hawks prospect Alex DeBrincat with 2 assists today to help Erie advance to the OHL final. He has 9 goals & 22 assists in 17 playoff games.

Amongst their slew of articles analyzing the team post-season, Blackhawks Breakdown did this analysis on how his OHL points might translate to the NHL:

Alex DeBrincat scored the NHL equivalent of 52 points this season in the OHL. Players that make the jump from the OHL to the NHL usually produce 0.32 times their OHL production.

Alex DeBrincat had 127 points in 63 OHL games this season.

This equals 2.02 points per game.

We take the points per game number and multiply it by the 0.32 OHL —> NHL translation factor.

We end up with a NHL equivalency of 0.64 points per game.

We take this number over an 82-game season and we end up with 52 NHL point season.

Now this obviously isn’t rocket science. This doesn’t mean DeBrincat will be a 50-point player next season.

Tyler Motte’s Michigan season translated to a 42-point NHL season. He finished with a 17-point pace if he played 82-games.

Nick Schmaltz’s North Dakota numbers also translated to a 42-point NHL season. He finished at a 38-point pace if he played a full 82-game season.

Nick Schmaltz was close to his crude estimation. Motte was nowhere near his. This isn’t an exact science. It’s just meant to try to somewhat estimate reasonable expectations for a prospect.

Speaking of everyone's favorite smurf (next to Kane, of course):

Scott Powers‏ @ByScottPowers 24s24 seconds ago
Hawks prospect Alex DeBrincat with 2 assists today to help Erie advance to the OHL final. He has 9 goals & 22 assists in 17 playoff games.

Amongst their slew of articles analyzing the team post-season, Blackhawks Breakdown did this analysis on how his OHL points might translate to the NHL:
- pdx2ord

Stan should have drafted Raddysh instead of Debrincat. He's just as talented but he's 6'2" and 203 lbs.

Great post...

Good to see more and more finally getting it in regard to the "caretaker"...I would have loved to have seen what Dale would have done the last several seasons had he been here, but McD ran him out of town because he wouldn't be his lackey (to put it nicely).

The pro Bowman crowd will immediately yammer on about Dale's bad draft picks and cap issues - but that was 7 years ago - someone in the last blog actually said part of this was Dale's fault...lol...

And while some are thrilled we won three (I certainly am) some smarts on the part of mgt. and they could have won more and be already retooling.

Meanwhile take a look at what Rutherford has done...and the Pens could easily win back to back this season - first time in the cap era and something the Hawks brass I'm sure covets. They would also tie the Hawks with 3 cups in the cap era. That would look great at the draft here...

And let's be clear sure its on Stan, but its also on McEgo...big time. We've seen the head coach from Rockford and the Asst. Coach fired...but no one from the front office has been let go...they still don't get it.
- DK002

Agreed.....but don't let Q off the hook here either. He and Bowman (and probably McD as well) are the reason this team is in turmoil. This is the CAP era and if Pittsburgh happens to win it again this year, that will be a real slap in the face to the entire organization. Just look at the CAP hits for Crosby, Malkin, Kessel, and Letang.
Quite a difference from what our top 4 are being paid. As for the continued press about Q and Stan not getting along, something drastic needs to be done to get this back in line. If they think that we're going to believe that the Kitchen and Dent firings will make the issues disappear, they are mistaken.

The Hawks are exactly what they were constructed to be - a high priced core of elite players supplemented with inexpensive depth players - either cheap vets or young ELC players. That model gets harder to maintain when the core players get more expensive and less effective, which is what has happened. Everyone of the core players except Keith, Hjalmarsson and Hossa (Toews, Kane, Anisimov, Seabrook, Kruger, Crawford) got a raise over the last 2-3 years, or will get a raise next season (Panarin) and as a group, the effectiveness of their play has slipped, most notably Toews.

I don't think tinkering is going to fix their situation - a complete demolition, maybe, in time, but not trading a Kruger/Hjalmarsson/Panarin. It comes down to the core of the core players - Toews, Kane and Keith and when only one of those guys is playing at the top of his game (Kane), it doesn't matter where the other deck chairs are rearranged to.
- EbonyRaptor

Good post.........

Simply this simple. They are constructed cap wise for the core to do the heavy lifting and when they can't/don't, the reason doesn't matter, the team will struggle.

We recall Babcock is not a Seabrook fan. HJALMARSSON more likely his flavor. But does hammer have limited trade clause. His wife- model surely not wanting to model with hubby a Maple Leaf. I know they have kids now, but Toronto is not where she would extend any modeling? JJ might know about that if he was an Ad man up.north. But i like the idea of boldly seeking a one for one trade like you suggested.

Beyond Kane and if Panarin was traded, i am not worried much about anyone else beating me if i am the Blackhawks foe. So it is a preresiquite to get the asset type player you think you need in exchange for Panarin. But with trading of core players like Seabrook, Hjalmarsson, Panarin it appears we are going the "robbing Peter to pay Paul" route. Long term perhaps two core dmen are moved, but a lot depends upon some kids on blueline developing. One of which could be a new draft or swedish newbie but more than likely we just focus on whom we have at hand.

Oh how we need Forsling and Kempny developing as at a minimum descent second pair. How long before that could happen?

Then too, we have a conendendrum:
It is asking too much to trade two core dmen if you expect the team to compete - even to qualify - in the playoffs!

I realize any or all of these players could be dangled: Kruger, Crawford, Anisinov, Panarin, either Seabrook or Hjalmarsson. Desi btw probably will be gone. The return: you can hypothesize but really it is just a lot of spitballing and head scratching. We can better just focus here and now what players are more likely subtracted than added.
- jhawk59

Hard to develop since Q failed to play them. His BFF Kitchen apparently failed to develop them to Q's satisfaction. His firing was a clear shot across the bow of Q, who will be gone if the Hawks start poorly or flame out again in the playoffs. Meanwhile, the other question is how long until McD goes looking for a new consultant to replace the aged Scotty, who is the only reason scrutiny of SB's record won't result in his dismissal?

Unless Eric Johnson or Tyson Barrie are coming back to Chicago, who replaces Seabrook's 20+minutes/game? The Hawks don't even have a legit #4 Dman so trading 2, 4, or 7 is nonsensical IMO.
- EnzoD

Rundblad.

Stan gets a lot of crap here (and in many cases, deservedly so), but one has to give him credit for turning a pending free agent -- whom JJ reports was going to test the market anyway -- into a third round draft pick.

The move is not a game-changer by any stretch of the imagination, but it's better than losing 33 for nothing, and it's possible a third-rounder could add value.
- Hank_Greenberg

Absolutely. StanBowPops&McD need wins with the flat earth cap moving glacially. ... Gonna be fun to see Darling fight for and probably take the #1 job in Carolina for an up and coming team if indeed he signs with them.

Trading Kane would end the Hawks run. He literally drives the PP and the only guy on our team that can consistently create offense.

Comparing the Pens and Hawks also isn't fair. Crosby is clearly better than Toews. It's not close right now. Coaches have game plan how to stop Crosby and Malkin. I don't think no coaches are worried about how they will need to shut down a Toews line. Malkin and Kane is probably a wash when healthy. The Pens team has so much more speed than the Hawks.
- bhawks2241

I think that ship has sailed. The only way you see the 3rd round for a few years is to dust off those DVDs and play the remember when game. You can't fix old.

Hard to develop since Q failed to play them. His BFF Kitchen apparently failed to develop them to Q's satisfaction. His firing was a clear shot across the bow of Q, who will be gone if the Hawks start poorly or flame out again in the playoffs. Meanwhile, the other question is how long until McD goes looking for a new consultant to replace the aged Scotty, who is the only reason scrutiny of SB's record won't result in his dismissal?
- BMWChiFan

Blackhawks Breakdown (primarily hockey stats/analytics) also did some analysis on what ails us on the defensive side. It's an interesting read, considering this comment and the earlier comment on StanBo v Q.

https://blackhawksbreakdo...net-trading-core-members/

ETA: Also tackles the favorite narrative du jour that Panarin disappears in the playoffs - see 2nd section.

I think that ship has sailed. The only way you see the 3rd round for a few years is to dust off those DVDs and play the remember when game. You can't fix old.
- predsfan97

Better to be a "has been" than a "never was". Your trolling is comical considering your poor excuse for a Franchise has NEVER EVEN SEEN THE 3rd ROUND!!! Worst jerseys in the league and The Preds are not going to beat the Pacific Division winner, much less the Penguins. Go back to your cave.

100 % Agree......the NEW motto will be "ONE MESS"
- Hawkytalk

Or as they "try" and move out contracts, "One Less Mess"?

Wonder what it whould take to get josh manson from Anaheim motte hino and a 3rd round pick come back where hi father played that would be awsome to big for bowman trade for he is over 5 8

Better to be a "has been" than a "never was". Your trolling is comical considering your poor excuse for a Franchise has NEVER EVEN SEEN THE 3rd ROUND!!! Worst jerseys in the league and The Preds are not going to beat the Pacific Division winner, much less the Penguins. Go back to your cave.
- EnzoD

You forgot this misguided marketing monstrosity which should never be allowed to be forgotten.
http://www.sportingnews.c...low-ice-bridgestone-arena

Blackhawks Breakdown (primarily hockey stats/analytics) also did some analysis on what ails us on the defensive side. It's an interesting read, considering this comment and the earlier comment on StanBo v Q.

https://blackhawksbreakdo...net-trading-core-members/

ETA: Also tackles the favorite narrative du jour that Panarin disappears in the playoffs - see 2nd section.
- pdx2ord

Thanks for this link. Never heard of this site and this piece in particular is indeed interesting. Not sure if it's thinking outside the box, it would be for Q it would seem, but when the author advocates a Daley, Leddy type or Gustafsson, Forsling and soon Snuggerud to be a part of the solution it will at least perk up the ears of many a Hawk fan.

Add that a different coaching philosophy in Dmen skating the puck up or that the Hawks led all of the NHL in offensive zone time but much of that was along the walls that indeed there is more than one way to skin a cat and systems can (and should IMO), be changed depending on personnel.

Great post...

Good to see more and more finally getting it in regard to the "caretaker"...I would have loved to have seen what Dale would have done the last several seasons had he been here, but McD ran him out of town because he wouldn't be his lackey (to put it nicely).

The pro Bowman crowd will immediately yammer on about Dale's bad draft picks and cap issues - but that was 7 years ago - someone in the last blog actually said part of this was Dale's fault...lol...

And while some are thrilled we won three (I certainly am) some smarts on the part of mgt. and they could have won more and be already retooling.

Meanwhile take a look at what Rutherford has done...and the Pens could easily win back to back this season - first time in the cap era and something the Hawks brass I'm sure covets. They would also tie the Hawks with 3 cups in the cap era. That would look great at the draft here...

And let's be clear sure its on Stan, but its also on McEgo...big time. We've seen the head coach from Rockford and the Asst. Coach fired...but no one from the front office has been let go...they still don't get it.
- DK002

I find myself more and more in this camp and less in love with Stan Bowman

Not because of the playoff exit but because of the amazing list of players gone and what is left

I must admit I've soured on Panarin too. Never goes to the middle. Rarely plays all out defense. Dangle him out there and see what's offered.
- BMWChiFan

Tarasenko is head and shoulder way above Panarin in terms of all facets of game.
The difference is 1 milliions per year in terms of compensation. Trade this guy.

Thanks for this link. Never heard of this site and this piece in particular is indeed interesting. Not sure if it's thinking outside the box, it would be for Q it would seem, but when the author advocates a Daley, Leddy type or Gustafsson, Forsling and soon Snuggerud to be a part of the solution it will at least perk up the ears of many a Hawk fan.

Add that a different coaching philosophy in Dmen skating the puck up or that the Hawks led all of the NHL in offensive zone time but much of that was along the walls that indeed there is more than one way to skin a cat and systems can (and should IMO), be changed depending on personnel.
- Mr Ricochet

Lets face the facts. Blackhawks is in regression for the next few years....Thank god for 3 Cups....

Tarasenko is head and shoulder way above Panarin in terms of all facets of game.
The difference is 1 milliions per year in terms of compensation. Trade this guy.
- shidler

Crosby, Malkin, Getzlaf, Matthews,McDavid, Kopitar and there are probably a few more names to add that have been FAR better Centers this year and they all make MUCH less than Jonathan Toews. By your logic, Stan should "Trade this guy" before Panarin as he makes nearly 2x as much and is 4 years older.

I wonder if Stan gives Jarmo a call. The jackets needed more scorers and have D to part with to help the Hawks on D. Something like:

Werenski and Jenner for Panarin and Forsling.

CBL looses one of its best upside D but gets a lot deadlier at forward and gets a nice recoup in Forsling. Hawks get tougher at forward and get a really nice cheap D man. They also save a lot of cap space.

Crosby, Malkin, Getzlaf, Matthews,McDavid, Kopitar and there are probably a few more names to add that have been FAR better Centers this year and they all make MUCH less than Jonathan Toews. By your logic, Stan should "Trade this guy" before Panarin as he makes nearly 2x as much and is 4 years older.
- EnzoD

The rest sure, but Kopitar wasn't and he's also a $10M guy.

You're right though, Toews needs to be better and it really doesn't matter all that much what Stan can or can't do if Toews can't get back to form.

Crosby, Malkin, Getzlaf, Matthews,McDavid, Kopitar and there are probably a few more names to add that have been FAR better Centers this year and they all make MUCH less than Jonathan Toews. By your logic, Stan should "Trade this guy" before Panarin as he makes nearly 2x as much and is 4 years older.
- EnzoD

I remember a debate I had with a friend who touted Toews being the best leader in NHL and he would pick Toews over Crosby....I laughed at him...Leadership is an overused word. Production and performance trumps over any leadership....Toews being a leader is overused word.

Blackhawks Breakdown (primarily hockey stats/analytics) also did some analysis on what ails us on the defensive side. It's an interesting read, considering this comment and the earlier comment on StanBo v Q.

https://blackhawksbreakdo...net-trading-core-members/

ETA: Also tackles the favorite narrative du jour that Panarin disappears in the playoffs - see 2nd section.
- pdx2ord

The article hints at trading Keith....And I can not agree more...Seabrook is untradeable and his contract is a nightmare....The best trading tool we have is Hjalmalson, Keith and Panarin....

I wonder if Stan gives Jarmo a call. The jackets needed more scorers and have D to part with to help the Hawks on D. Something like:

Werenski and Jenner for Panarin and Forsling.

CBL looses one of its best upside D but gets a lot deadlier at forward and gets a nice recoup in Forsling. Hawks get tougher at forward and get a really nice cheap D man. They also save a lot of cap space.
- Bjm84

Jenner wears the A, plays on their 2nd line, and scored 30 goals last year. Zach Werenski is their #1Dman. They might think about Werenski for Panarin + Forsling but you aren't even close on that first attempt. Gustav Forsling is nothing but "potential". Both those guys have done it at the NHL Level. I agree Stan should give Jarmo a call as a trade partner, but that trade only helps the Hawks.