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WhiteLie
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Apr 28 @ 6:09 PM ET
The safe play would be to send them back to junior, and avoid the possible risk of bringing them in too soon. Jets and Flames had better established vet cores than the Canucks to help the young guys along, we just traded 2 of the guys on the team who would best fit the role of teaching. In the leafs case they had some very talented players each at different points of their development, but there was enough sheer talent in the group that they could lean on each other and grow together over the year.
- NorthNuck


Leafs and Jets got exceptional talents, it was never a question those guys were coming in the league right away. Flames had a role open and could control Tkachuk's minutes, Chychrun went to a team with a woeful defense. Puljujaarvi went down to AHL after a short stint.

One could argue the Canucks have an opportunity as well, but I could see this being a situation more like when McCann made it as a 19 year old, than Matthews making the Leafs. I would like to see the kid dominate in camp for him to remain, otherwise I am heavily leaning to keeping him away for a year
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Apr 28 @ 6:10 PM ET
You want to speed up the rebuild. Need a Matthews, Laine, McDavid type.

The next 2 drafts in 18, 19 look to have those types of prospects. I want to win but I also don't want to win too much. Drafting top 10 in 18, 19 look like you can end up with a Marner or Werenski type player still.

- manvanfan



I agree with this and Marwood also from previous blog.

This is a time we should not be looking to win. We should be looking forward to develop.

WE don't need Miller and we should be moving assets before the draft to build our future. We definitely do not need Miller and Markstrom . If you are getting Miller then trade Markstrom. Better yet don't get Miller. Reward Bachman for his years of duty and let him stay with Canucks next year.

Next years draft has names that are franchise players and that should be Canucks main concern for the next two years.

It is time for change and Green should be coming in right away and putting his style in place and getting his guys set in place that he will have for years. Screw keeping the couuntry club happy. Next year should be about they new core getting the offensive zone starts and working the PP .

The Sedins Eriksson should be the third line and if they don't like it they can find the door,
DrChristianTroy
Location: 2028 Stanley Cup Champions
Joined: 11.10.2006

Apr 28 @ 6:16 PM ET
I'm,just hoping the Eagles get lucky and grab King in the 2nd...I like him better than Barnett who's more of a 2nd/3rd round player imo
- Nucker101


Apparently the only guy returning to the green room for day 2. Makes me like him even more.
mauryballstein
Vancouver Canucks
Location: vancouver, BC
Joined: 06.12.2015

Apr 28 @ 6:18 PM ET
Everyone keeps talking about how next years draft is going to be significantly better than this years. Anyone worried at all that potential FA signings and the coaching change will land us 5-10 spots higher than this year? Seems like it could be dreadful luck for us considering we always do better in strong draft years
- NorthNuck

Trade tanev, edler, sutter and make sure that doesnt happen. Take the assets from them and use there spots for cap dumps from other teams.

We need to rebuild this team right.
WhiteLie
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Location: When youre 7 pages behind Dont bother catching up, you will never get that time back - Codes1087
Joined: 07.26.2010

Apr 28 @ 6:20 PM ET
I agree with this and Marwood also from previous blog.

This is a time we should not be looking to win. We should be looking forward to develop.

WE don't need Miller and we should be moving assets before the draft to build our future. We definitely do not need Miller and Markstrom . If you are getting Miller then trade Markstrom. Better yet don't get Miller. Reward Bachman for his years of duty and let him stay with Canucks next year.

Next years draft has names that are franchise players and that should be Canucks main concern for the next two years.

It is time for change and Green should be coming in right away and putting his style in place and getting his guys set in place that he will have for years. Screw keeping the couuntry club happy. Next year should be about they new core getting the offensive zone starts and working the PP .

The Sedins Eriksson should be the third line and if they don't like it they can find the door,

- VANTEL


I want Demko/Garteig in Utica together, so pending any moves Markstrom/Bachman is fine by me at the NHL level (I also want this because I'd like to see the two of them stand side by side a lot)
SRam19
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Messier the Greatest Canucks Captain
Joined: 02.12.2015

Apr 28 @ 6:20 PM ET
Hoping for some of these names today (no particular order)

Budda
Jourdan Lewis
Sidney Jones
Chidobe Awuzi
Kevin King
Malik McDowell
Tyus Bowser
Demarcus Walker

- DrChristianTroy


There is no doubt that the seahawks should be taking Lamp.
Im hoping steelers trade up and get Chidobe.
Nuck4U
Vancouver Canucks
Location: NY
Joined: 10.12.2016

Apr 28 @ 6:20 PM ET
I was just reading an article on Patrick, Hischier, Mittelstadt, Liljegren and Vilardi on a website. I thought it was NHL.com but now I can't find it anymore. Everything I already knew about the players except for one thing that I have not read in an article before.

They mentioned that Mittelstadt is viewed as a playmaker. I have yet to see any highlights to suggest that he is a playmaker. Seen most compare him to Tyler Seguin. I wouldn't call him a playmaker either.

- manvanfan



It's the creativity to his game that lends to that comment. That's where they are going with playmaker. Plus with better teams or higher levels this comes out more when guys are in their spots or where they are supposed to be to get set up. Otherwise, it's more individual efforts and then throw one out to an open guy to finish the play. He played a lot with his highschool team. So you'll probably see more playmaking in NCAA.
NorthNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Yellowknife, NWT
Joined: 05.30.2016

Apr 28 @ 6:20 PM ET
Leafs and Jets got exceptional talents, it was never a question those guys were coming in the league right away. Flames had a role open and could control Tkachuk's minutes, Chychrun went to a team with a woeful defense. Puljujaarvi went down to AHL after a short stint.

One could argue the Canucks have an opportunity as well, but I could see this being a situation more like when McCann made it as a 19 year old, than Matthews making the Leafs. I would like to see the kid dominate in camp for him to remain, otherwise I am heavily leaning to keeping him away for a year

- WhiteLie

Sums it up pretty well.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Apr 28 @ 6:22 PM ET
I want Demko/Garteig in Utica together, so pending any moves Markstrom/Bachman is fine by me at the NHL level (I also want this because I'd like to see the two of them stand side by side a lot)
- WhiteLie

mauryballstein
Vancouver Canucks
Location: vancouver, BC
Joined: 06.12.2015

Apr 28 @ 6:27 PM ET
We should be banging on the door of cap strapped teams and try and grab some guys on terrible deals with 1 year remaining...

Plekanec
EMelin
Garrison
Dallas Goalies

mauryballstein
Vancouver Canucks
Location: vancouver, BC
Joined: 06.12.2015

Apr 28 @ 6:28 PM ET
Still hoping we can land Raddysh or Foo also..

Although Foo probably going to the Oilers.
SRam19
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Messier the Greatest Canucks Captain
Joined: 02.12.2015

Apr 28 @ 6:32 PM ET
Still hoping we can land Raddysh or Foo also..

Although Foo probably going to the Oilers.

- mauryballstein


I hear Avs are closing in on Foo.
Nuck4U
Vancouver Canucks
Location: NY
Joined: 10.12.2016

Apr 28 @ 6:33 PM ET
The safe play would be to send them back to junior, and avoid the possible risk of bringing them in too soon. Jets and Flames had better established vet cores than the Canucks to help the young guys along, we just traded 2 of the guys on the team who would best fit the role of teaching. In the leafs case they had some very talented players each at different points of their development, but there was enough sheer talent in the group that they could lean on each other and grow together over the year.
- NorthNuck


Probably a hybrid situation with Nucks next season. At this point only junior player is OJ. We'll see where he's at camp. Green is about earning it so if he's not NHL capable or ready or whatever the buzz word then he won't be rushed onto the roster.

Don't see a PR play either given there will be plenty of young players in the Stecher category. They may be good enough but space wise they get sent to AHL. Called up on injury. Or they out right make it cause there is no other option.
DrChristianTroy
Location: 2028 Stanley Cup Champions
Joined: 11.10.2006

Apr 28 @ 6:34 PM ET
Still hoping we can land Raddysh or Foo also..

Although Foo probably going to the Oilers.

- mauryballstein


Dude has to choose between living in Edm & playing for the Canucks? I pity the Foo.
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Apr 28 @ 6:35 PM ET
It's the creativity to his game that lends to that comment. That's where they are going with playmaker. Plus with better teams or higher levels this comes out more when guys are in their spots or where they are supposed to be to get set up. Otherwise, it's more individual efforts and then throw one out to an open guy to finish the play. He played a lot with his highschool team. So you'll probably see more playmaking in NCAA.
- Nuck4U

"While he won’t throw his body around like some of the bigger prospects tend to do"

"With a tremendous passing ability coupled with his ability to score goals, Mittelstadt has the makings of a top playmaking center at the next level."

"Mittelstadt’s quick release allows him to finish plays himself and keep opposing teams on edge at all times."


DrChristianTroy
Location: 2028 Stanley Cup Champions
Joined: 11.10.2006

Apr 28 @ 6:35 PM ET
There is no doubt that the seahawks should be taking Lamp.
Im hoping steelers trade up and get Chidobe.

- SRam19


Nah.

I'm mentally prepared for that possibility though...
we_are_all_canucks
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Don't hate me because I'm really really ridiculously good looking.
Joined: 09.29.2007

Apr 28 @ 6:36 PM ET
I agree with this and Marwood also from previous blog.

This is a time we should not be looking to win. We should be looking forward to develop.

WE don't need Miller and we should be moving assets before the draft to build our future. We definitely do not need Miller and Markstrom . If you are getting Miller then trade Markstrom. Better yet don't get Miller. Reward Bachman for his years of duty and let him stay with Canucks next year.

Next years draft has names that are franchise players and that should be Canucks main concern for the next two years.

It is time for change and Green should be coming in right away and putting his style in place and getting his guys set in place that he will have for years. Screw keeping the couuntry club happy. Next year should be about they new core getting the offensive zone starts and working the PP .

The Sedins Eriksson should be the third line and if they don't like it they can find the door,

- VANTEL

If we want a better chance at a high draft pick next year, you keep the Sedins together on the first line and 1st PP. It's the least they could do to payback Vancouver fans.
SRam19
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Messier the Greatest Canucks Captain
Joined: 02.12.2015

Apr 28 @ 6:38 PM ET
Nah.

I'm mentally prepared for that possibility though...

- DrChristianTroy


You'll be his #1 fan once he joins.
mauryballstein
Vancouver Canucks
Location: vancouver, BC
Joined: 06.12.2015

Apr 28 @ 6:40 PM ET
I hear Avs are closing in on Foo.
- SRam19



NO Foo, Brickly or ZAR sucks!
Nuck4U
Vancouver Canucks
Location: NY
Joined: 10.12.2016

Apr 28 @ 6:41 PM ET
Leafs and Jets got exceptional talents, it was never a question those guys were coming in the league right away. Flames had a role open and could control Tkachuk's minutes, Chychrun went to a team with a woeful defense. Puljujaarvi went down to AHL after a short stint.

One could argue the Canucks have an opportunity as well, but I could see this being a situation more like when McCann made it as a 19 year old, than Matthews making the Leafs. I would like to see the kid dominate in camp for him to remain, otherwise I am heavily leaning to keeping him away for a year

- WhiteLie


This years pick and OJ are light years better then McCann so not even close. Are they Mathews ready to dominate in the NHL. No. That's exceptional like you know. But that doesn't mean, as you said, the opportunity isn't there for them to develop better with Nucks. Then alternative go back to dominate junior with skill sets they already have developed.
mauryballstein
Vancouver Canucks
Location: vancouver, BC
Joined: 06.12.2015

Apr 28 @ 6:42 PM ET
Dude has to choose between living in Edm & playing for the Canucks? I pity the Foo.
- DrChristianTroy



Was hoping for Foo this year and Woo next year
WhiteLie
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Location: When youre 7 pages behind Dont bother catching up, you will never get that time back - Codes1087
Joined: 07.26.2010

Apr 28 @ 6:55 PM ET
This years pick and OJ are light years better then McCann so not even close. Are they Mathews ready to dominate in the NHL. No. That's exceptional like you know. But that doesn't mean, as you said, the opportunity isn't there for them to develop better with Nucks. Then alternative go back to dominate junior with skill sets they already have developed.
- Nuck4U


This pick could very well be better, but Dylan Strome is also an example of someone who was better (and the Coyotes are also worse), the opportunity was there and he wasnt been deemed good enough yet.

I am inclined to say if there is a shred of doubt or if considerable sheltering is needed, then the kid isnt ready. It would suck if that meant CHL instead of AHL but thems the breaks sometimes
Nuck4U
Vancouver Canucks
Location: NY
Joined: 10.12.2016

Apr 28 @ 7:08 PM ET
This pick could very well be better, but Dylan Strome is also an example of someone who was better (and the Coyotes are also worse), the opportunity was there and he wasnt been deemed good enough yet.

I am inclined to say if there is a shred of doubt or if considerable sheltering is needed, then the kid isnt ready. It would suck if that meant CHL instead of AHL but thems the breaks sometimes

- WhiteLie


Yeah Strome like Draistl weren't physically ready. That proved that out in the season as they didn't progress and they were sent back for that. Shred of doubt. Seriously, that's the case for every player. Even vets.

As for conisderable sheltering, don't know what the measure is on that, as far as development. All players get some sheltering if the coach is in control of deployment. Like to keep away from matchups or zone starts etc.

But some development is part training, practicing and developing pro habits. Soaking up the pro game from within. A lot gets learned there more even then minutes played. Especially when compared to junior. So the limbo players, 18/19 year old CHL, will have a lot of debate on what's best. Hard to call as it becomes more subjective and circumstance based.
DrChristianTroy
Location: 2028 Stanley Cup Champions
Joined: 11.10.2006

Apr 28 @ 7:32 PM ET
Hoping for some of these names today (no particular order)

Budda
Jourdan Lewis
Sidney Jones
Chidobe Awuzi
Kevin King
Malik McDowell
Tyus Bowser
Demarcus Walker

- DrChristianTroy


dbot
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Auckland -Burn it all down
Joined: 10.22.2008

Apr 28 @ 7:37 PM ET
Dude has to choose between living in Edm & playing for the Canucks? I pity the Foo.
- DrChristianTroy

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