Iits possible to be up for both and he is deserving
- Upstate_isles

I believe 85 points is better than 69.
And if you wanna go even deeper regarding goals created, he has 5 more primary assists than Matthews.
Not saying Matthews won't be nominated in his career. Just not this year.

I believe 85 points is better than 69.
- bgainesDM

It's not all about points, Mathews led his team to the playoffs and it's whose the most valuable player to their team and without Mathews Toronto doesn't make playoffs. With kucherov Tampa didn't

It's not all about points, Mathews led his team to the playoffs and it's whose the most valuable player to their team and without Mathews Toronto doesn't make playoffs. With kucherov Tampa didn't
- Upstate_isles

Actually, without Andersen, Toronto doesn't make the playoffs.

Harmonic, strome and a first for kucherov ok and then ho sang is the best passer hes ever seen 20 games doesnt make you backstrom, oates, thorton or 99. True kucherov would be perfect for the isles with his skill speed and shot but its not happening
- Upstate_isles

Kucherov or Kreider should have been offer-sheeted, Snow is not respected around league & shouldnt care about how its a gentleman's agreement ...

If the Hall trade happened, that to would have helped ... Dumb Gm

And neither team made the playoffs, Tavares has been a Hart finalist 2x and it's not because he sucks. I'll say that if it has a good start next year with the same linemates he will be 80 to 90 points. What's wrong with chimpster?
- Upstate_isles

"From now on you're 'chimpster'."

Kucherov or Kreider should have been offer-sheeted, Snow is not respected around league & shouldnt care about how its a gentleman's agreement ...

If the Hall trade happened, that to would have helped ... Dumb Gm
- Ur Not Me

*sigh* So, I guess Pete Chiarelli's a dumbass for picking the better defenseman.

Barzal Hamonic and maybe two first rounders might snag kucherov. Tampa does need some elc's on their roster. Honestly I'd be willing to almost any offer on him or drouin

Kucherov or Kreider should have been offer-sheeted, Snow is not respected around league & shouldnt care about how its a gentleman's agreement ...

If the Hall trade happened, that to would have helped ... Dumb Gm
- Ur Not Me

You can't blame snow for that. When was the last time we saw an offer sheet? Kesler maybe?

*sigh* So, I guess Pete Chiarelli's a dumbass for picking the better defenseman.
- bgainesDM

NJD was 2nd choice, Garf blew that deal, u make no sense on who or what was the logical choice! Talking bout Snow NOT Chia, stick 2 the program

Barzal Hamonic and maybe two first rounders might snag kucherov. Tampa does need some elc's on their roster. Honestly I'd be willing to almost any offer on him or drouin
- Dan Petriw

Why is everybody thinking this guy is such a great trade piece? I just don't get it.

NJD was 2nd choice, Garf blew that deal, u make no sense on who or what was the logical choice! Talking bout Snow NOT Chia, stick 2 the program
- Ur Not Me

How the hell did he blow that deal? Larsson is a top pair dman. Hamonic is not. Quit overrating physicality.

You can't blame snow for that. When was the last time we saw an offer sheet? Kesler maybe?
- Dan Petriw

Im not blaming him, but blaming him in a way of prying pressure or talent for his team. Saad was going to get offer-sheeted and CHI quickly traded him.
Guess my point was who cares how u get talent, go get it but after he dropped the ball on Hall, I question his roster evaluation skills ....

How the hell did he blow that deal? Larsson is a top pair dman. Hamonic is not. Quit overrating physicality.
- bgainesDM

Really?? Maybe reread my post, wait I'll help u

NJD was called after, ding ding ding

Why is everybody thinking this guy is such a great trade piece? I just don't get it.
- bgainesDM

They need d he's signed long term and reasonable and last year aside he's been good. Would be a good player against 2nd and 3rd line players and behind Hedman that's who he'd match up against

Barzal Hamonic and maybe two first rounders might snag kucherov. Tampa does need some elc's on their roster. Honestly I'd be willing to almost any offer on him or drouin
- Dan Petriw

I'd love to get Kucherov, but do not see it happening. Johnson might be a nice plan B pickup.

Really?? Maybe reread my post, wait I'll help u

NJD was called after, ding ding ding
- Ur Not Me

Hamonic was offered. Staple was given the company line lie. And fact: Larsson was indeed a top pair dman 25+min paired with Klefbom. Isles offered Hamonic plus "sweetener". Guess what, dude people aren't as enamored with Hamonic as we were led to believe by the beat writers and pundits. Oops. Hamonic struggled when paired with Leddy. Why? Bc he is simply not a top pair dman. He is 2nd pair.
Any GM worth his salt will lie to help keep peace and balance for the team. Something Sakic did not do with Duchene and created chaos for the Avs all year.

Barzal Hamonic and maybe two first rounders might snag kucherov. Tampa does need some elc's on their roster. Honestly I'd be willing to almost any offer on him or drouin
- Dan Petriw

This was my thought at barzal hamonic and a 1st wasn't sure what more would entail. If it took 2 first rounders to do it then I would

Hamonic was offered. Staple was given the company line lie. And fact: Larsson was indeed a top pair dman 25+min paired with Klefbom. Isles offered Hamonic plus "sweetener". Guess what, dude people aren't as enamored with Hamonic as we were led to believe by the beat writers and pundits. Oops. Hamonic struggled when paired with Leddy. Why? Bc he is simply not a top pair dman. He is 2nd pair.
Any GM worth his salt will lie to help keep peace and balance for the team. Something Sakic did not do with Duchene and created chaos for the Avs all year.
- bgainesDM

Lets catch-up a bit. 1st off im not a Hamonic fan and said that numerous times here, this year, Hamonic was terrible, but the year before had a very good year before getting injured. Hamonic logged big mins the year before and bc of his salary & contract that's extremely cheap was the best part of acquiring him.
This is all predicated from the year before, not this past year.

No one here was bashing Hamonic the year before bc he played very well....

U caught up yet??

Lets catch-up a bit. 1st off im not a Hamonic fan and said that numerous times here, this year, Hamonic was terrible, but the year before had a very good year before getting injured. Hamonic logged big mins the year before and bc of his salary & contract that's extremely cheap was the best part of acquiring him.
This is all predicated from the year before, not this past year.

No one here was bashing Hamonic the year before bc he played very well....

U caught up yet??
- Ur Not Me

All of what you just said has nothing to do with him being a good first pair dman. He was a -5 the year before. Larsson had a +15 on a bad Devils team and a +21 on a now-good Oilers team in the top pair. I rest my case. It's only a 300k difference btw.

All of what you just said has nothing to do with him being a first pair dman.
- bgainesDM

He's being traded there as a second pairing d man what don't you get? They need depth behimd hedman and stralman and he would fit in there unlike here where he was forced to be something he's not.

I just got rangerdanger fired up calling him a troll and pedophile lol

He's being traded there as a second pairing d man what don't you get? They need depth behimd hedman and stralman and he would fit in there unlike here where he was forced to be something he's not.

I just got rangerdanger fired up calling him a troll and pedophile lol
- Upstate_isles

He was talking about the "Hall trade that should've happened."

All of what you just said has nothing to do with him being a good first pair dman. He was a -5 the year before. Larsson had a +15 on a bad Devils team and a +21 on a now-good Oilers team in the top pair. I rest my case. It's only a 300k difference btw.
- bgainesDM

Now I see why some are calling u chimpster

U clearly dont comprehend very well, I never said he's a 1st pairing dman. And besides the difference of +/- is irrelevant.
With the possible request to be traded factored in the year before as well.

Im not talking bout Larsson or the devils or Chia, im sticking to the team at hand, the isles and dumb Gm, geez u factor in nonsense ....

He was talking about the "Hall trade that should've happened."
- bgainesDM

Oh my bad and who gives a poop it didn't happen move on

He's being traded there as a second pairing d man what don't you get? They need depth behimd hedman and stralman and he would fit in there unlike here where he was forced to be something he's not.

I just got rangerdanger fired up calling him a troll and pedophile lol
- Upstate_isles

U sir are correct ....

Now I see why some are calling u chimpster

U clearly dont comprehend very well, I never said he's a 1st pairing dman. And besides the difference of +/- is irrelevant.
With the possible request to be traded factored in the year before as well.

Im not talking bout Larsson or the devils or Chia, im sticking to the team at hand, the isles and dumb Gm, geez u factor in nonsense ....
- Ur Not Me

Then why were you pointing out Taylor Hall? Makes no sense.