JT's numbers were slightly down this year.
- JimmyP

Yes, which is why this top 6 line could be top 3 if JT steps up his game next year.

Yes, which is why this top 6 line could be top 3 if JT steps up his game next year.
- bgainesDM

It contradicts your argument the Bailey helped JT.

I'm don't think so. For him to be effective he needs to be paired with two shoot first players. Bailey will always look to pass first (and second, and sometimes third). Besides if the Islanders iced a line with Bailey and Nelson I think Ses would explode.
- JimmyP

The sentence right after the one you bolded said with the right guys, coaches and system. I'm not saying he can carry a line. He's not a sniper, he's a set-up man.
Come on Weight, put together a line of Nelson, Bailey and Strome.

JT is multi-talented. As a center, he is a playmaker. But he can also shoot the puck with more accuracy than most wingers. So in that sense, Bailey is not a bad fit with him.

However, it's the rest of Bailey's game that is more concerning. While I saw some improvement this season, Bailey still shies away from contact more than most NHL players. There are times when a solid body check is called for, and Bailey only tries a poke check........and sometimes not even that.
- JohnScammo

You mean when he had more hits than Patrick Kane this year.

It contradicts your argument the Bailey helped JT.
- JimmyP

He creates balance for that line, not JT specifically. Somebody's gotta be feeding Lee and JT the puck. It's not Bailey's fault that JT didn't finish his opportunities like Lee.

You mean when he had more hits than Patrick Kane this year.
- bgainesDM

Excellent comparison! A lot of us confuse Kane and Bailey, because they're both so talented.

Ok I get we all think weight was kept for jt, but all the players liked him. Is this all speculation that they kept snow for jt? I don't believe it and I think this was fabricated here and now is spoken as if it's a fact. Where was it reported that they kept snow strictly for Tavares liking? I understand how one can cone to that conclusion, but at this point it's all speculation

Excellent comparison! A lot of us confuse Kane and Bailey, because they're both so talented.
- JohnScammo

Only talking about the hits dude. Let's not open up any bad floodgates.

I find it funny how this is the only stat you ever trot out about Bailey.
- Isleshockeyman

here's another stat for Josh, most handys given out in the shower, fact!

You mean when he had more hits than Patrick Kane this year.
- bgainesDM

Careful where you step, kiddo. Kane's worst season was 55 points. And that was 47 games.

Excellent comparison! A lot of us confuse Kane and Bailey, because they're both so talented.
- JohnScammo

Ok I get we all think weight was kept for jt, but all the players liked him. Is this all speculation that they kept snow for jt? I don't believe it and I think this was fabricated here and now is spoken as if it's a fact. Where was it reported that they kept snow strictly for Tavares liking? I understand how one can cone to that conclusion, but at this point it's all speculation
- Upstate_isles

I don't think the only reason that Snow is still here because JT wants him. I think it's because the owners are a couple of gutless pukes and don't know what they're doing.

Careful where you step, kiddo. Kane's worst season was 55 points. And that was 47 games.
- Isleshockeyman

Look at my recent comment. He said most NHL players don't shy away from hits. I simply pointed out another player. That's all.

Only talking about the hits dude. Let's not open up any bad floodgates.
- bgainesDM

So only take out of your statements what you want him to.

Only talking about the hits dude. Let's not open up any bad floodgates.
- bgainesDM

You know that hits are a very subjective stat, right? Besides, I'll bet you can find lots of players with fewer "hits" than Bailey. That still won't impress me. I've watched Bailey for many, many years play a wimpy game. I said earlier that this past season he stepped up his physical play a bit. But that still doesn't make him someone that Vegas will take in the draft. But geez, would I love to be wrong!

Look at my recent comment. He said most NHL players don't shy away from hits. I simply pointed out another player. That's all.
- bgainesDM

Yeah, but you're comparing Bailey to Kane. You can't just make that comment and not expect it to come off as a comparison. That's all I'm saying.

So only take out of your statements what you want him to.
- Isleshockeyman

That's why I highlighted the hits from your quote. Not everybody hits a lot. That's all.

Again, not comparing Bailey to Kane directly.
Again, not comparing Bailey to Kane directly.
Again, not comparing Bailey to Kane directly.

Look at my recent comment. He said most NHL players don't shy away from hits. I simply pointed out another player. That's all.
- bgainesDM

One exception doesn't contradict "most".... It only would contradict if I had said "all".

Yeah, but you're comparing Bailey to Kane. You can't just make that comment and not expect it to come off as a comparison. That's all I'm saying.
- Isleshockeyman

Only in hits. Not everybody's a hitter. That's all I'm saying too.

Look at my recent comment. He said most NHL players don't shy away from hits. I simply pointed out another player. That's all.
- bgainesDM

Hit and getting hit are different and I get what you're saying but Kane is a top 10 player and has won the Calder, Hart, art Ross, and conn smyth awards, if he's throwing hits all game then something is majorly wrong.

You know that hits are a very subjective stat, right? Besides, I'll bet you can find lots of players with fewer "hits" than Bailey. That still won't impress me. I've watched Bailey for many, many years play a wimpy game. I said earlier that this past season he stepped up his physical play a bit. But that still doesn't make him someone that Vegas will take in the draft. But geez, would I love to be wrong!
- JohnScammo

So, what two-way hockey player fills that void right off the bat in the first line then?[

Hit and getting hit are different and I get what you're saying but Kane is a top 10 player and has won the Calder, Hart, art Ross, and conn smyth awards, if he's throwing hits all game then something is majorly wrong.
- Upstate_isles

Ok, trust me. I'm not disputing anything you just said there. So, with that being said, why does Bailey have to be throwing hits?

Noel Fogelman: Isles 16/17 report cards - Josh Bailey
- Noel Fogelman

"The running debate on social media is whether Josh Bailey is an elite winger. "

Stopped reading right about there.

That's why I highlighted the hits from your quote. Not everybody hits a lot. That's all.

Again, not comparing Bailey to Kane directly.
Again, not comparing Bailey to Kane directly.
Again, not comparing Bailey to Kane directly.
- bgainesDM

You didn't highlight anything from one of my posts. You deal with JS on this one.

One exception doesn't contradict "most".... It only would contradict if I had said "all".
- JohnScammo

Ok, so why does Bailey have to be making hits then?