It absolutely counted as a scoring chance lol how the (frank) didn't it? - j.boyd919
From the article...
Scott Wilson, Nick Bonino, and Conor Sheary - The Penguins trio was buried in the defensive zone (1 for, 20 against, 4.8 CF%, 0-8 scoring chances) and were on the ice for one goal against, but Wilson ultimately set up Bonino for the game-winning goal in the third period.
1 for 20 in shots, the only shot being a goal, 0 to 8... ZERO to Eight, in scoring chances.
Not every goal is considered a scoring chance. Take it up with the advance stat makers.
And hear I thought advance stats were more confusing than usual all this time
Well (frank) the RW trickery... - Guile
They're really not that confusing, it just takes research on your own sometimes to find what you're looking for. I think RW does a good job of relaying info, and providing his own analysis... but now that I've become accustomed to so many of the websites, I usually just go look at the data myself if I have a question, so I'm not misinformed.
So one sequence describes a game now? Whatever reinforces your advanced stats narrative I guess. - stackthepads
About 8 of those shots around the crease where in that scramble.
- MattStrat
Exactly, we are suppose to believe by that stupid graphic that the Caps are generating scoring chance after scoring chance in the slot. Barely any of those shots were a threat, they were hail mary's into a crowd of Pens defenders blocking out the rebounds.
The Penguins had more threatening chances than the Capitals. Caps can throw however many billion "shot attempts" into Penguins blockers as the wish, as long as they aren't getting the pass off the pads they arent scoring.
- stackthepads
Your reply was in direct reference to that sequence dummy.
About 8 of those shots around the crease where in that scramble.
- MattStrat
Exactly, we are suppose to believe by that stupid graphic that the Caps are generating scoring chance after scoring chance in the slot. Barely any of those shots were a threat, they were hail mary's into a crowd of Pens defenders blocking out the rebounds.
The Penguins had more threatening chances than the Capitals. Caps can throw however many billion "shot attempts" into Penguins blockers as the wish, as long as they aren't getting the pass off the pads they arent scoring.
- stackthepads
Your reply was in direct reference to that sequence dummy. - j.boyd919
I was adding to his comment towards the graphic you posted showing the shot locations from the game. He brought up that sequence and I added that the Caps are throwing shots into the mass of bodies the Pens are erecting praying for a lucky bounce. Those arent threatening chances. Threatening chances are the two shots Hornqvist had in the first period where Hotlby made a couple big saves, or Kessel streaking down the left wing.
I'm allowed to comment again! Fancy stats mean nothing at anytime of the year if your capable at watching hockey and dissecting whats going on. Luckily I am so I don't lean on those goofy little numbers to sound smart, I guess I just am. Anyway the Caps forwards are determined to get back and do it in a hurry. Luckily Bonino got that break because they weren't coming easy last night. The neutral zone is flooded with back checkers wearing red and white. Dare I say that it might be time to dip back into the stretch pass? I don't know, I feel like we can beat anyone as long as the true number one pittsburgh penguin starting goalie is in net. Murray can just stay hurt so his Dad doesn't feel like he has to put him back in.
I'm allowed to comment again! Fancy stats mean nothing at anytime of the year if your capable at watching hockey and dissecting whats going on. Luckily I am so I don't lean on those goofy little numbers to sound smart, I guess I just am. Anyway the Caps forwards are determined to get back and do it in a hurry. Luckily Bonino got that break because they weren't coming easy last night. The neutral zone is flooded with back checkers wearing red and white. Dare I say that it might be time to dip back into the stretch pass? I don't know, I feel like we can beat anyone as long as the true number one pittsburgh penguin starting goalie is in net. Murray can just stay hurt so his Dad doesn't feel like he has to put him back in. - Grinder47
This is truly not a bad idea. I'm not against the stretch pass in principle, it was just asinine that Bylsma had a system in place where that was the only zone exit ever attempted. Stretch passes are a solid zone exit. Use them exclusively for an extended period of time and it becomes predictable and easily picked off by the opposing blue liners. Since our defensemen without Letang are having such a hard time generating clean zone exits with their skating, I would love to see them utilize stretch passes more. Schultz, Maatta, and to a lesser extent Daley and Dumoulin are all capable passers. This would be a good adjustment
This is truly not a bad idea. I'm not against the stretch pass in principle, it was just asinine that Bylsma had a system in place where that was the only zone exit ever attempted. Stretch passes are a solid zone exit. Use them exclusively for an extended period of time and it becomes predictable and easily picked off by the opposing blue liners. Since our defensemen without Letang are having such a hard time generating clean zone exits with their skating, I would love to see them utilize stretch passes more. Schultz, Maatta, and to a lesser extent Daley and Dumoulin are all capable passers. This would be a good adjustment - Victoro311
Third goal was the result of the stretch pass from Cole. Like you said, it works just don't over use it.
This is truly not a bad idea. I'm not against the stretch pass in principle, it was just asinine that Bylsma had a system in place where that was the only zone exit ever attempted. Stretch passes are a solid zone exit. Use them exclusively for an extended period of time and it becomes predictable and easily picked off by the opposing blue liners. Since our defensemen without Letang are having such a hard time generating clean zone exits with their skating, I would love to see them utilize stretch passes more. Schultz, Maatta, and to a lesser extent Daley and Dumoulin are all capable passers. This would be a good adjustment - Victoro311
I agree with it too. Might be able to catch them leaning like they did with Orpik and Shatty last night. Orpik has been caught like that his entire career.....going for a big hit.
Something has to change with the defensive strategy 'cause there's no way they get through 4 rounds of our D getting caved every night.
As I said before, I'd insert Streit and Ruhwedel......but Streit for sure. Now that he's good and rested we might be surprised how well he plays.
I agree with it too. Might be able to catch them leaning like they did with Orpik and Shatty last night. Orpik has been caught like that his entire career.....going for a big hit.
Something has to change with the defensive strategy 'cause there's no way they get through 4 rounds of our D getting caved every night.
As I said before, I'd insert Streit and Ruhwedel......but Streit for sure. Now that he's good and rested we might be surprised how well he plays. - madmike71
Hainsey and Daley have essentially been replacement level. I don't mind tryingStreit and/or Ruhwedel in their places.
I'm allowed to comment again! Fancy stats mean nothing at anytime of the year if your capable at watching hockey and dissecting whats going on. Luckily I am so I don't lean on those goofy little numbers to sound smart, I guess I just am. Anyway the Caps forwards are determined to get back and do it in a hurry. Luckily Bonino got that break because they weren't coming easy last night. The neutral zone is flooded with back checkers wearing red and white. Dare I say that it might be time to dip back into the stretch pass? I don't know, I feel like we can beat anyone as long as the true number one pittsburgh penguin starting goalie is in net. Murray can just stay hurt so his Dad doesn't feel like he has to put him back in. - Grinder47
They arnt doing those alley-oop stretch passes they were doing last year either. Those passes killed the Sharks and Polak specifically.. I don't understand the respect Sullivan is giving Hainsy at this point either. He is using him and Dumoulin like an old school shutdown pair(like Bylsma did with Orpik and Martin). Why not try Maatta with Dumoulin for a game and put Hainsy with Daley if these are the 6 guys they insist on using(
I know but that's who it should be. He's bringing nothing to the table right now except the odd thunderous hit. - Dcoms
It was his first game in 5 weeks or so. Give him a little time. I imagine Hags will look a little rusty too tomorrow night.
If Kunitz is used correctly he'll be a good contributer. Just don't give him any more than 10 - 12 minutes.
There was a brief period during the regular season where Kuni, Cullen and Wilson were killing it on the 4th line. I'd like to see that again. It was before all the injuries and Kuni was moved up.
I for one do not think it was a lucky win. Getting off to a 2-0 lead sometimes dictates how the rest of the game is played. You see that over and over in this league. The team behind opens up and shoots everything possible and the outcomes of these games are similar to what you saw last night. Look at Minn vs Stl Stl got the lead and Minn got the shots. Who cares Final score is all that counts Book it If the Caps got the lead the Pens might have opened it up. It is similar to NBA games The lead team does not always cover. The team trailing tries and tries and tries and sometime they burn themselves out trying. A win is a win. You do not get any points for trying hard
