oh boy.


Ok peeps have a good weekend and good luck on saturday!
- Fakepartofme

Thanks. We'll take all the love we can get from Leafs fans.

The Leafs are 1 Matthews DUI away from finishing 31st in the NHL next year...

See how that works?
- riceroni

And the collective gene pool of the Sens' fan base is a few gallons of chlorine away from being stable again.

See how that works?

Karlsson did get hurt dumbass. He missed 5 games and played 5 more while hurt.

How many did Matthews miss?
- Charliebox

Five games, eh? Sounds serious.

Five games, eh? Sounds serious.
- As_I_See_It

He was on his period.

The Leafs have played two playoff series since the NHL started broadcasting in HD.

Two.

Matthews is your prize for being the 2nd worst run franchise in the NHL for the past decade.

And the collective gene pool of the Sens' fan base is a few gallons of chlorine away from being stable again.

See how that works?
- As_I_See_It

My gosh you're angry... My work has a employee help line.. I can give you the number if you need it

The Sens have made the playoffs in 16 of the last 20 years. The only teams in the entire league to be better over that stretch are San Jose and Detroit.

Guys like you have nothing to say about the Sens actual on ice performance so you grasp at things to find a way to troll.

The Senators have turned over their entire roster from the contending days without missing the playoffs in two consecutive years over that stretch. No other team in the NHL, other than Detroit and San Jose were able to do that.

In fact, Ottawa has been one of the best managed teams in the league for two decades. The facts speak for themselves. Our drafting record speaks for itself.

Yes, the Leafs are going to be good. That much is obvious. I don't think there are too many Sens fans on here claiming otherwise.

Thing is, Toronto is going to be good because they sucked...not because they were well managed. They are being rewarded for sucking balls.

Toronto is following the Pittsburgh, Chicago, Washington, Edmonton model of being a joke of a team for years and getting 1st overalls. I don't respect those teams when they win cups.

The teams that deserve respect are the teams like Detroit and Boston who won cups without being handed the best players in the league.
- Charliebox

Everything you said is true. Ottawa has been very well managed and the fact that they haven't missed the playoffs for more than a few years at a time is proof of that. They don't have anything close to the depth of those Detroit and Boston teams you're talking about though. That's not a criticism, it's just a fact.

The league has changed and it's really hard to win now without elite talent at more than one or two positions. And elite talent doesn't show up in free agency and it's almost impossible to get it in a trade. There's really only one way to get that kind of talent. You don't have to like it, and I don't blame you, but in the modern NHL it's so hard to be successful without being awful first. That's just the reality of the situation.

Holy Flyin Fiddler people ...... and by that I mean Sens Fans....... This is a Sens thread, the day after a huge win in the second round

Can we stop focusing on The Leafs and celebrate our team. You're acting like a bunch of high school girls, bickerin back and forth about drivel.

I'm certainly not getting ahead of game 2, but Ottawa has a legit shot at making it to the east final. These two teams are evenly matched and Ottawa is playing great.

They dominated the first period and outplayed The Rangers in the 3rd.

by the way ...... 3 Beau's Lug Tread again last night = a win for Ottawa

This is a pretty unhappy thread.

Standard pissing contest, boys. Senators aren't much better than the Leafs at this point if at all. Leafs on the other hand seem to be pretty sure there's a Cup in their near future. Fair enough, counting on two or three superstar offensive players and good forward depth has given Washington, Ottawa, San Jose, and Buffalo all these Cup wins in the past decade, after all.

This is a pretty unhappy thread.

Standard pissing contest, boys. Senators aren't much better than the Leafs at this point if at all. Leafs on the other hand seem to be pretty sure there's a Cup in their near future. Fair enough, counting on two or three superstar offensive players and good forward depth has given Washington, Ottawa, San Jose, and Buffalo all these Cup wins in the past decade, after all.
- Mr_Clean

It's all in good fun. Nobody here should be taking this too seriously.

Sens may "squeak" by NYR, but the road ends against PIT or WSH. In the end, Ottawa won't win the cup this season... Just like the Leafs.

For the sake of my playoff pool I'm hoping the Sens make it to the ECF.

Holy Flyin Fiddler people ...... and by that I mean Sens Fans....... This is a Sens thread, the day after a huge win in the second round

Can we stop focusing on The Leafs and celebrate our team. You're acting like a bunch of high school girls, bickerin back and forth about drivel.

I'm certainly not getting ahead of game 2, but Ottawa has a legit shot at making it to the east final. These two teams are evenly matched and Ottawa is playing great.

They dominated the first period and outplayed The Rangers in the 3rd.

by the way ...... 3 Beau's Lug Tread again last night = a win for Ottawa
- GadesnSens

I can't believe I missed the game last night, the first I missed in the playoffs and with final exams over I didn't think I'd miss another.... Sounds like we could be getting on a roll, if so no teams should be sleeping on us! Yeah we aren't as good as other teams on paper, but there are lots of recent examples of teams that tore through the playoffs by playing good D and getting great goaltending... This year could be our year to go deep!

Everything you said is true. Ottawa has been very well managed and the fact that they haven't missed the playoffs for more than a few years at a time is proof of that. They don't have anything close to the depth of those Detroit and Boston teams you're talking about though. That's not a criticism, it's just a fact.

The league has changed and it's really hard to win now without elite talent at more than one or two positions. And elite talent doesn't show up in free agency and it's almost impossible to get it in a trade. There's really only one way to get that kind of talent. You don't have to like it, and I don't blame you, but in the modern NHL it's so hard to be successful without being awful first. That's just the reality of the situation.
- Jeffmt

OH I agree for sure. For every Detroit, there are 3 teams who tanked to get the job done. I get it.

I also wasn't comparing Ottawa's current team to the cup winning teams of Boston or Detroit.

I was simply pointing out that we have been able to 'rebuild' without tanking. The highest pick we had over that stretch was #6.

The Sens management should be commended for being able to do what they have with the budget they've been given and the fact we've haven't tanked since expansion.

The Sens really are only one or two pieces away from being a contender. If we could spend to the cap and could find a way to convince a guy like Tavares to come here as a free agent, we would instantly be a contender....and for a few years.

Unlike most of the contending teams, we would easily have the cap space to get a deal for JT done too.

The reality is simple. Ottawa is a marginal NHL market. They're a Canadian team that has to sell"flex packs" and sell seasons tickets at a discount to help entice people to buy. They rarely sell out games that do not involve the beloved Habs or Leafs. They are now in the 2nd round and there are row and rows of empty seats. Kanata is quite a haul but that kinda drive would not preclude fans in any other CDN city or most US cities from driving similar distances to attend games in their city.

If I have to listen to another Sens fan moan about their team getting little respect I will vomit. They don't even respect their own team enough to sell out games. Sens Army is a JOKE

The Senators are and will be a budget team. So, realistically, they have little chance at winning a Cup. Once Karlsson leaves in a few years, then things will really go in the toilet.
- BernardShakey

THIS!!!! Thank you so much for saying this. Exactly what it is... Marginal Hockey market (ahl maybe?). With the internalt budget, will never win a cup or aspire to one... Waste of time. Specially when EK leaves...

This is a pretty unhappy thread.

Standard pissing contest, boys. Senators aren't much better than the Leafs at this point if at all. Leafs on the other hand seem to be pretty sure there's a Cup in their near future. Fair enough, counting on two or three superstar offensive players and good forward depth has given Washington, Ottawa, San Jose, and Buffalo all these Cup wins in the past decade, after all.
- Mr_Clean

Fair enough. The issue is the Senators are in the 1/4 finals and their fans couldn't be bothered to sell the joint out. You may not think that is an issue, but it is. Ian Mendes, noted Senator fanboy was even discussing this sad fact on lunchtime radio in TO this afternoon.

No doubt the Senators have a passionate fan base. There just is not enough of them. I'll bet half of them are on this site, digging up irrelevant Leaf facts right this moment. It will never change, the is a sad fact

THIS!!!! Thank you so much for saying this. Exactly what it is... Marginal Hockey market (ahl maybe?). With the internalt budget, will never win a cup or aspire to one... Waste of time. Specially when EK leaves...
- marcandredespatie

You honestly have no idea what you're talking about .

Marginal hockey markets don't take in 40M/yr of TV money. 33.3M of that is for a LOCAL deal... just for the people in the area watching.

The Sens attendance isn't the best, but they are more than stable if you combine ticket sales + TV money.

I can't believe I missed the game last night, the first I missed in the playoffs and with final exams over I didn't think I'd miss another.... Sounds like we could be getting on a roll, if so no teams should be sleeping on us! Yeah we aren't as good as other teams on paper, but there are lots of recent examples of teams that tore through the playoffs by playing good D and getting great goaltending... This year could be our year to go deep!
- Mr_Clean

Agreed. A lot of good progress since the start of the playoffs against the Bruins.

I'm wondering how much impact Chabot could make seeing how well McAvoy played for the Bruins in 25 to 28 minutes a night. He might be available to us in the next round of the playoffs. And yeah, I know we still have to knock off NYR...

What is sad is all you bitter losers mouthing off in our thread about how $hitty our team and fans are. Phuck off to your own miserable blogs you phucking morons.

What is sad is all you bitter losers mouthing off in our thread about how $hitty our team and fans are. Phuck off to your own miserable blogs you phucking morons.
- sgoodwin

Does this guy do this all the time? Is this like a shtick or something? He's had three posts in this thread and they're basically all this.

Fair enough. The issue is the Senators are in the 1/4 finals and their fans couldn't be bothered to sell the joint out. You may not think that is an issue, but it is. Ian Mendes, noted Senator fanboy was even discussing this sad fact on lunchtime radio in TO this afternoon.

No doubt the Senators have a passionate fan base. There just is not enough of them. I'll bet half of them are on this site, digging up irrelevant Leaf facts right this moment. It will never change, the is a sad fact
- EugenesAxe

Honestly, I don't care. I don't live in Ottawa, and couldn't afford tix even if I did. I'm a fan of the franchise (and would be currently wherever they played). if it becomes clear that they will never win a Cup with Karlsson I may become a Jets fan since that's my home town team.

However, in defence of the Senators, when they were in the playoffs in 2012 I don't recall this attendance problem. It certainly wasn't a problem back in the senator heyday of the mid-2000s either. So I'm not sure whether it's that the franchise is inherently untenable (as people seem to be implying), or that there just isn't the same depth of fanaticism as in other markets. Having a middling, budget team isn't a recipe for success in most NA markets, I agree that this second round appearance should generate more enthusiasm, but if people have been alienated then it's not terribly surprising that it takes a while for it to turn around and let themselves get invested.

Does this guy do this all the time? Is this like a shtick or something? He's had three posts in this thread and they're basically all this.
- Jeffmt

There has been an unprecedented amount of trolling today.

The unfortunate part is that the Sens fans on here are generally the ones who pony up and go to games...but we are left having to defend the fair weather fans in our fan base....all the while having to listen to Leaf and Hab fan trolls.

It can be quite frustrating.

There has been an unprecedented amount of trolling today.

The unfortunate part is that the Sens fans on here are generally the ones who pony up and go to games...but we are left having to defend the fair weather fans in our fan base....all the while having to listen to Leaf and Hab fan trolls.

It can be quite frustrating.
- Charliebox

I imagine it would be.

However, in defence of the Senators, when they were in the playoffs in 2012 I don't recall this attendance problem. It certainly wasn't a problem back in the senator heyday of the mid-2000s either. So I'm not sure whether it's that the franchise is inherently untenable (as people seem to be implying), or that there just isn't the same depth of fanaticism as in other markets. Having a middling, budget team isn't a recipe for success in most NA markets, I agree that this second round appearance should generate more enthusiasm, but if people have been alienated then it's not terribly surprising that it takes a while for it to turn around and let themselves get invested.

Fair
Weather
Fans.

In the early 2000s, the Sens were dominant. They scored more than 5 goals so often that pizza pizza had to change the promotion to 6 goals for a free slice of pizza cause they were giving out pizza after almost every game (hence the name of the 'pizza line'.)

Those were people with money who liked watching a dominant hockey team. They weren't sens fans. They weren't the type of people who would stick with the team through thick and thin.

The Sens are not dominant now. They are scratching and clawing for every win. It's a different feel.

Add to it that the 'newness' of the franchise is gone and all those people who spent money on tickets for something to do (the new thing in town) just aren't interested anymore.

This 'lull' was so damn predictable. As I have said countless times, it's going to take another 20 years before the REAL Sens fans (those of us under 40) are the ones affording season's tickets.

Finally, ticket prices are gone up far more than inflation which plays a huge factor. There was far more demand for playoff tickets back then because they were affordable for everyone. I remember getting standing room tickets in the early 2000s for $30... cheapest seats were $40. Now, its over $100 for the cheapest seat.

In the early 2000s, the Sens were dominant. They scored more than 5 goals so often that pizza pizza had to change the promotion to 6 goals for a free slice of pizza cause they were giving out pizza after almost every game (hence the name of the 'pizza line'.)
- Charliebox

I didn't know the story behind that name. I've wondered about that. That's actually really funny.

I didn't know the story behind that name. I've wondered about that. That's actually really funny.
- Jeffmt

If the team won and scored 5 or more goals the fans would get a free slice of pizza from Pizza Pizza...

OH I agree for sure. For every Detroit, there are 3 teams who tanked to get the job done. I get it.

I also wasn't comparing Ottawa's current team to the cup winning teams of Boston or Detroit.

I was simply pointing out that we have been able to 'rebuild' without tanking. The highest pick we had over that stretch was #6.

The Sens management should be commended for being able to do what they have with the budget they've been given and the fact we've haven't tanked since expansion.

The Sens really are only one or two pieces away from being a contender. If we could spend to the cap and could find a way to convince a guy like Tavares to come here as a free agent, we would instantly be a contender....and for a few years.

Unlike most of the contending teams, we would easily have the cap space to get a deal for JT done too.
- Charliebox

Cap space yes... an owner who is willing to shell out what it takes? Absolutely not. Sorry to say Sens fan but with Uncle Eugene at the helm a Stanley Cup is not coming to Ottawa.