But Laine doesn't get to play with McDavid
- sbroads24

I did some research on the Baker chart Homie posted in the last thread about Reinhart being right in the middle of number 2 picks that were forwards from the past 20 drafts, and I broke it down three ways for drafts from 1995-2015.

Top 2 Picks (Forwards Only) - Reinhart is dead in the middle of that group of 15 after two seasons as a pro at 8th in PPG. Malkin leads the way. As for how many of those players drafted played in the NHL the year after their draft compared to waiting a year or more after they were drafted before playing in the NHL, it's a 47%-53% split as 7 played right away while 8 took a year or more to play.

The Top Forward Taken (or 1st forward taken) - Reinhart is 14th out of 21 in that grouping in PPG after two seasons as a pro. Who is above him? Names like Crosby, Ovechkin, McDavid, Patrick Kane, Stamkos, Kovalchuk, & Tavares. Right next to him are Nash and Lecavalier. 17 of the 21 players that were the first forwards taken played the first year in the NHL. Only 4 did not.

The Top 1-2 Forwards Taken - Reinhart is 20th out of 32 in this group in PPG after two seasons as a pro. 22 of the 32 players played in the first year in the NHL.

Summary: Using the top forward taken as a barometer is not accurate. I say that because Reinhart was never considered to be like any of the names mentioned above in the list of top forwards taken.

Was Reinhart ever considered dynamic as a player before the draft? I believe he was more thought of as a steady, dependable player who would be a consistent point producer but not a point per game player.

In short, it seems like some are trying to make Reinhart into something he was not touted to be at any point due to a combination of his draft position and how the guy taken after him has performed.

The second one is fair regarding Leon, I guess, but as usual with many drafts, it comes down to getting lucky the year you pick highly

So looks like the Bills are cleaning house after the draft with their scouting department.

Per Mike Florio

"In Buffalo, there’s a belief that the Bills will be making extensive moves in the front office when the draft concludes. Per a league source, the team’s scouts are bracing for job changes after the draft. As one scout explained it, 'We are all getting fired next week.'"

I did some research on the Baker chart Homie posted in the last thread about Reinhart being right in the middle of number 2 picks that were forwards from the past 20 drafts, and I broke it down three ways for drafts from 1995-2015.

Top 2 Picks (Forwards Only) - Reinhart is dead in the middle of that group of 15 after two seasons as a pro at 8th in PPG. Malkin leads the way. As for how many of those players drafted played in the NHL the year after their draft compared to waiting a year or more after they were drafted before playing in the NHL, it's a 47%-53% split as 7 played right away while 8 took a year or more to play.

The Top Forward Taken (or 1st forward taken) - Reinhart is 14th out of 21 in that grouping in PPG after two seasons as a pro. Who is above him? Names like Crosby, Ovechkin, McDavid, Patrick Kane, Stamkos, Kovalchuk, & Tavares. Right next to him are Nash and Lecavalier. 17 of the 21 players that were the first forwards taken played the first year in the NHL. Only 4 did not.

The Top 1-2 Forwards Taken - Reinhart is 20th out of 32 in this group in PPG after two seasons as a pro. 22 of the 32 players played in the first year in the NHL.

Summary: Using the top forward taken as a barometer is not accurate. I say that because Reinhart was never considered to be like any of the names mentioned above in the list of top forwards taken.

Was Reinhart ever considered dynamic as a player before the draft? I believe he was more thought of as a steady, dependable player who would be a consistent point producer but not a point per game player.

In short, it seems like some are trying to make Reinhart into something he was not touted to be at any point due to a combination of his draft position and how the guy taken after him has performed.

The second one is fair regarding Leon, I guess, but as usual with many drafts, it comes down to getting lucky the year you pick highly
- kingcong39

So... basically he doesn't stink?

Per Mike Florio

"In Buffalo, there’s a belief that the Bills will be making extensive moves in the front office when the draft concludes. Per a league source, the team’s scouts are bracing for job changes after the draft. As one scout explained it, 'We are all getting fired next week.'"
- adambuffalo

Oh, great, I'm sure they're going to make the best possible choices tomorrow at the draft now that they know they're going to be S-canned.

Jeff Marek has top 10 as:

Patrick
Hischier
Liljegren
Tippett
Villardi
Mittelstadt
Tolvanen
Necas
Rasmussen
Makar

Jeff Marek has top 10 as:

Patrick
Hischier
Liljegren
Tippett
Villardi
Mittelstadt
Tolvanen
Necas
Rasmussen
Makar
- Matthews_Auston

Im A big fan of Tolvanen but he seems to be dropping.

Jeff Marek has top 10 as:

Patrick
Hischier
Liljegren
Tippett
Villardi
Mittelstadt
Tolvanen
Necas
Rasmussen
Makar
- Matthews_Auston

im alright with any of these

Per Mike Florio

"In Buffalo, there’s a belief that the Bills will be making extensive moves in the front office when the draft concludes. Per a league source, the team’s scouts are bracing for job changes after the draft. As one scout explained it, 'We are all getting fired next week.'"
- adambuffalo

So I should expect a great draft for the bills this year, because they all know they are getting fired... AWESOME JOB BILLS

So I should expect a great draft for the bills this year, because they all know they are getting fired... AWESOME JOB BILLS
- gordong

They weren't exactly world beaters to begin with. Maybe its a good thing if they try to throw their pick recommendations.

I did some research on the Baker chart Homie posted in the last thread about Reinhart being right in the middle of number 2 picks that were forwards from the past 20 drafts, and I broke it down three ways for drafts from 1995-2015.

Top 2 Picks (Forwards Only) - Reinhart is dead in the middle of that group of 15 after two seasons as a pro at 8th in PPG. Malkin leads the way. As for how many of those players drafted played in the NHL the year after their draft compared to waiting a year or more after they were drafted before playing in the NHL, it's a 47%-53% split as 7 played right away while 8 took a year or more to play.

The Top Forward Taken (or 1st forward taken) - Reinhart is 14th out of 21 in that grouping in PPG after two seasons as a pro. Who is above him? Names like Crosby, Ovechkin, McDavid, Patrick Kane, Stamkos, Kovalchuk, & Tavares. Right next to him are Nash and Lecavalier. 17 of the 21 players that were the first forwards taken played the first year in the NHL. Only 4 did not.

The Top 1-2 Forwards Taken - Reinhart is 20th out of 32 in this group in PPG after two seasons as a pro. 22 of the 32 players played in the first year in the NHL.

Summary: Using the top forward taken as a barometer is not accurate. I say that because Reinhart was never considered to be like any of the names mentioned above in the list of top forwards taken.

Was Reinhart ever considered dynamic as a player before the draft? I believe he was more thought of as a steady, dependable player who would be a consistent point producer but not a point per game player.

In short, it seems like some are trying to make Reinhart into something he was not touted to be at any point due to a combination of his draft position and how the guy taken after him has performed.

The second one is fair regarding Leon, I guess, but as usual with many drafts, it comes down to getting lucky the year you pick highly
- kingcong39

That's a little better than I would have figured, but I'd also wager (not trying to make you do work) that most others who are close or below, had a bigger jump from year 1-2.

Some of those guys were 18-19 fresh out of the draft. Reinhart was 20-21 after going back to Juniors.

Example Seguin- .29 PPG rookie, .82 sophomore as a 20 year old.

I think Reinhart is decent. It just bothers me watching how skilled and dynamic Nylander, Dras, Ehlers are (I know, I know) that they weren't valued more.

They weren't exactly world beaters to begin with. Maybe its a good thing if they try to throw their pick recommendations.
- Hatboro_Swords

Pull a Costanza and do the reverse.

So I should expect a great draft for the bills this year, because they all know they are getting fired... AWESOME JOB BILLS
- gordong

I think its in their best interest to do as well as they can if they want to continue working in the league

Think ESPN is calling all the employees getting laid off, or do they just run it on the sports ticker? Surprised they didn't make a show out of it on prime time. Anything for ratings. ESPN Survivor.

Think ESPN is calling all the employees getting laid off, or do they just run it on the sports ticker? Surprised they didn't make a show out of it on prime time. Anything for ratings. ESPN Survivor.
- adambuffalo

That would make a fun SNL skit.

Think ESPN is calling all the employees getting laid off, or do they just run it on the sports ticker? Surprised they didn't make a show out of it on prime time. Anything for ratings. ESPN Survivor.
- adambuffalo

ESPN is poop. It covers the NFL like a soap opera. They are OBSESSED with trying to promote the NBA as this amazing league and sport that (outside of the last 4 minutes of a game) is boring as poop. NHL doesn't exist in their minds. And they employ individuals who are outspokenly racist against white people but will fire a conservative commentator the second he says something that could be even a tiny bit questionable.

Good riddance to that joke of a network.

Brandon on GM and Coach search...


Team President Russ Brandon said, “No update on that. I’m not going to comment on that, sorry, I can’t help you on that.”



Jesus Christ

ESPN is poop. It covers the NFL like a soap opera. They are OBSESSED with trying to promote the NBA as this amazing league and sport that (outside of the last 4 minutes of a game) is boring as poop. NHL doesn't exist in their minds. And they employ individuals who are outspokenly racist against white people but will fire a conservative commentator the second he says something that could be even a tiny bit questionable.

Good riddance to that joke of a network.
- feetontheair22

I still have yet to receive the answer to this question: what logical reason is there to promote the NHL when the network doesn't even have a TV contract with them?

That being said, I thought I read they are paying $3.3 billion total annually for their NFL and NBA TV contracts. Sportsnet's NHL deal is worth $5 billion (CAD) in total over 12 years. NBC's is worth $2 billion over 10 years. And both are for exclusive TV rights (whereas the NBA and NFL are not). ESPN treats the NHL like small time because it is small time.

Brandon on GM and Coach search...


Team President Russ Brandon said, “No update on that. I’m not going to comment on that, sorry, I can’t help you on that.”



Jesus Christ
- SABRES 89

isn't that what we want to hear? We dont want him involved

Brandon on GM and Coach search...


Team President Russ Brandon said, “No update on that. I’m not going to comment on that, sorry, I can’t help you on that.”




- SABRES 89

That could mean he's not involved, which is a good thing.

I still have yet to receive the answer to this question: what logical reason is there to promote the NHL when the network doesn't even have a TV contract with them?

That being said, I thought I read they are paying $3.3 billion total annually for their NFL and NBA TV contracts. Sportsnet's NHL deal is worth $5 billion (CAD) in total over 12 years. NBC's is worth $2 billion over 10 years. And both are for exclusive TV rights (whereas the NBA and NFL are not). That's insane.
- buffalofan19

Now I agree whole-heartedly that from a business standpoint they shouldn't care. But the problem comes from their business model: They bill themselves as the worldwide leader in sports. One would tend to think that includes hockey lol

Now I agree whole-heartedly that from a business standpoint they shouldn't care. But the problem comes from their business model: They bill themselves as the worldwide leader in sports. One would tend to think that includes hockey lol
- feetontheair22

I watch ESPN if there is a game I want to watch (baseball, basketball, football, etc.). I rarely watch their other programming except for maybe Mike and Mike occasionally. If I want to watch sports programming, I will tune into the NFL Network, NHL Network, MLB Network, NBA TV, etc. It really has nothing to do with ESPN, but simply they usually aren't talking about the subject I am interested in at the moment.

I did watch Fox Sports 1 for a while, but since they didn't renew Onrait and O'Toole, I find myself giving them the ESPN treatment as well. That's a network that no longer has any idea what it wants to be.

My fake sources said that the Sabres would have a GM and a garden gnome by the end of the day. J5

That could mean he's not involved, which is a good thing.
- buffalofan19

He's very involved in both organizations. He is the definition of "all flash, no substance" guy.

My fake sources said that the Sabres would have a GM and a garden gnome by the end of the day. J5
- jochfr

So you have same source as Ek