If you sign Oshie to what will probably be a 6 or 7 year by 7.0 mill per as a UFA, be prepared to lose Backlund. I would rather give up assets & get a RFA established winger.

Would anyone do Brodie for Drouin?
- Kevin R

Nope. Unless one or more of our prospects can step up and steal a spot from one of our big 3, then we should not trade them. Defensive depth is a big reason we lost, not an inability to score. (frank)ing Bart handed the Ducks that GWG in game 4 on a silver platter. After our big 3 our defense kinda blows chunks, we definitely shouldn't make ourselves any weaker on the back-end.

Nope. Unless one or more of our prospects can step up and steal a spot from one of our big 3, then we should not trade them. Defensive depth is a big reason we lost, not an inability to score. (frank)ing Bart handed the Ducks that GWG in game 4 on a silver platter. After our big 3 our defense kinda blows chunks, we definitely shouldn't make ourselves any weaker on the back-end.
- Saskabush

I agree with this ...right now we shouldn't be trading any of our top 3 D ...if we are going to acquire a top 6 Fwd we can use one of our D prospects or draft picks

Has anyone ever really been convinced that Treliving is actually making the decisions? Do we not get the sense he's just a paper pusher for Brian Burke?

I think I would argue a lot of the moves BT have made that turned out were either dumb luck or low risk. Versteeg? Very low risk.

Everyone seems to forget the three-headed goalie monster at the start of last season. That was one of the most bizarre situations I've ever seen on an NHL team. It derailed the first third of the season and basically ended three Goalies careers.

Troy Brouwer? Don't even get me started.

And I like Frolik. But we paid a lot to get him and shipped out Sven Baertschi whose carving himself out a pretty similar career in Vancouver at about a quarter of the price?

I'd say he's done a pretty average job with team finding hidden gold in Johnny Hockey and getting a steal on Sean Monohan and Tkachuck outside of the top five in the draft.

Has anyone ever really been convinced that Treliving is actually making the decisions? Do we not get the sense he's just a paper pusher for Brian Burke?

I think I would argue a lot of the moves BT have made that turned out were either dumb luck or low risk. Versteeg? Very low risk.

Everyone seems to forget the three-headed goalie monster at the start of last season. That was one of the most bizarre situations I've ever seen on an NHL team. It derailed the first third of the season and basically ended three Goalies careers.

Troy Brouwer? Don't even get me started.


And I like Frolik. But we paid a lot to get him and shipped out Sven Baertschi whose carving himself out a pretty similar career in Vancouver at about a quarter of the price?

I'd say he's done a pretty average job with team finding hidden gold in Johnny Hockey and getting a steal on Sean Monohan and Tkachuck outside of the top five in the draft.
- HockeyMo

Troy Brouwer signing wasn't that bad at the time. We needed a guy like him but the guy had a brutal season and it looks bad now. Hindsight yeah not the best but not every signing is not going to be a total steal.

I agree with this ...right now we shouldn't be trading any of our top 3 D ...if we are going to acquire a top 6 Fwd we can use one of our D prospects or draft picks
- Redmile247

I say stay the course. Not really a lot I like in the FA class. Flames need someone who is mean and can make the first pass to play with Brodie.

Flames are finally starting to build some depth on the farm and we are not in any place to deplete it. I would consider moving this years first cause I think we need to draft another power winger.

I looked at a mock draft and they had us drafting Cal Foote on D. I would be OK with that.

Has anyone ever really been convinced that Treliving is actually making the decisions? Do we not get the sense he's just a paper pusher for Brian Burke?

I think I would argue a lot of the moves BT have made that turned out were either dumb luck or low risk. Versteeg? Very low risk.

Everyone seems to forget the three-headed goalie monster at the start of last season. That was one of the most bizarre situations I've ever seen on an NHL team. It derailed the first third of the season and basically ended three Goalies careers.

Troy Brouwer? Don't even get me started.

And I like Frolik. But we paid a lot to get him and shipped out Sven Baertschi whose carving himself out a pretty similar career in Vancouver at about a quarter of the price?

I'd say he's done a pretty average job with team finding hidden gold in Johnny Hockey and getting a steal on Sean Monohan and Tkachuck outside of the top five in the draft.
- HockeyMo

The three headed goalie monster was on Hartley, who he had the guts to fire a year after the guy was awarded the Jack Adams.
The few trades he's done have for the most part been average to great. He traded for Hamilton. Has locked up Hamilton, Giordano, Monahan, Gaudreau, and Brodie to pretty great contracts, especially when the consensus was most of them would get 1-2 mill more on their contracts. To be fair with Bouma's contract that was when cap space wasn't an issues and he seemed to learn his lesson on signing plugs that had career years playing on Backlund's wing when he let Colborne go.
You're severely overrating Baertschi like most other Canuck fans. His defensive game is severely lacking and the reason he was booted. Frolik's defensive game is on a whole other level than that turd.
Brouwer is what it is. That's the one that feels the most like pressure from Burke and that's the player who had been nothing like what he was touted as coming in, although his uselessness on the powerplay can be attributed to the fact that Monahan plays the shooter spot that he has played most of his career.
I say BT needs to be resigned.

The three headed goalie monster was on Hartley, who he had the guts to fire a year after the guy was awarded the Jack Adams.
The few trades he's done have for the most part been average to great. He traded for Hamilton. Has locked up Hamilton, Giordano, Monahan, Gaudreau, and Brodie to pretty great contracts, especially when the consensus was most of them would get 1-2 mill more on their contracts. To be fair with Bouma's contract that was when cap space wasn't an issues and he seemed to learn his lesson on signing plugs that had career years playing on Backlund's wing when he let Colborne go.
You're severely overrating Baertschi like most other Canuck fans. His defensive game is severely lacking and the reason he was booted. Frolik's defensive game is on a whole other level than that turd.
Brouwer is what it is. That's the one that feels the most like pressure from Burke and that's the player who had been nothing like what he was touted as coming in, although his uselessness on the powerplay can be attributed to the fact that Monahan plays the shooter spot that he has played most of his career.
I say BT needs to be resigned.
- ScotsonFire

Amen brother!

Makes me sick all the people walking around dt Calgary in oiler colors these days...

Where have all these (frank)head been the last decade?? I've been a lone oil fan in an ocean of flames fans forever and now all these jackholes come out of the woodwork

I say stay the course. Not really a lot I like in the FA class. Flames need someone who is mean and can make the first pass to play with Brodie.

Flames are finally starting to build some depth on the farm and we are not in any place to deplete it. I would consider moving this years first cause I think we need to draft another power winger.

I looked at a mock draft and they had us drafting Cal Foote on D. I would be OK with that.
- DuranDuran

Staying the course is probably the best option for us (but that's not really that fun to talk about ). I'd really like to see another injection of youth to the lineup.

Adding a guy like Palat to the lineup and allowing some of our young guys on D a shot could be all we really need. I think Rass could be the perfect kind of player to complement Brodie.

Johnny Money Ferland
Tkachuk Backlund Frolik
Palat Bennett Versteeg
Lazar Janko Brouwer

Gio Hamilton
Kulak/Rass/ Brodie
Kylington/Rass Stone

Simply put, if they do not sign BT I will roid rage and foreskin

I say stay the course. Not really a lot I like in the FA class. Flames need someone who is mean and can make the first pass to play with Brodie.

Flames are finally starting to build some depth on the farm and we are not in any place to deplete it. I would consider moving this years first cause I think we need to draft another power winger.

I looked at a mock draft and they had us drafting Cal Foote on D. I would be OK with that.
- DuranDuran

I think we draft BPA unless there's a good RW close to us ..then trade down

Has anyone ever really been convinced that Treliving is actually making the decisions? Do we not get the sense he's just a paper pusher for Brian Burke?

I think I would argue a lot of the moves BT have made that turned out were either dumb luck or low risk. Versteeg? Very low risk.

Everyone seems to forget the three-headed goalie monster at the start of last season. That was one of the most bizarre situations I've ever seen on an NHL team. It derailed the first third of the season and basically ended three Goalies careers.

Troy Brouwer? Don't even get me started.

And I like Frolik. But we paid a lot to get him and shipped out Sven Baertschi whose carving himself out a pretty similar career in Vancouver at about a quarter of the price?

I'd say he's done a pretty average job with team finding hidden gold in Johnny Hockey and getting a steal on Sean Monohan and Tkachuck outside of the top five in the draft.
- HockeyMo

Sven let management know he wouldn't be re-signing. Frolik is accountable and consistent, Baertschi is the exact opposite of that.

Re-signing Ramo was a disaster. Then again so was having Hiller already on contract. Going into a season with Hiller and Ortio sounds pretty bad in the first place.

The Brodie contract? The Hamilton aquisition? The Stone trade? Getting a 2nd(Rasmus Andersson btw) for a player we had to move? Doesn't seem like dumb luck. The Versteeg signing fell into his lap, but he still signed a player 29 other GMs reviewed and decided not to sign.

If you sign Oshie to what will probably be a 6 or 7 year by 7.0 mill per as a UFA, be prepared to lose Backlund. I would rather give up assets & get a RFA established winger.

Would anyone do Brodie for Drouin?
- Kevin R

No way! Brodie is a flame for life in my eyes
I'd want gio gone before brods

This expansion draft is going to play out pretty well for the flames in terms of looking for a winger I have a feeling...

Drouin is sweet no doubt but we need more of a well-skating tough guy on the top line making oshie a good fit. But you're right about the price tag, we're gonna need to shed at least one of brouwer/bouma to get that done

Everyone please join me on expansion draft day as we pray to the hockey gods that mcphee sees something in Brouwer

Has anyone ever really been convinced that Treliving is actually making the decisions? Do we not get the sense he's just a paper pusher for Brian Burke?

I think I would argue a lot of the moves BT have made that turned out were either dumb luck or low risk. Versteeg? Very low risk.

Everyone seems to forget the three-headed goalie monster at the start of last season. That was one of the most bizarre situations I've ever seen on an NHL team. It derailed the first third of the season and basically ended three Goalies careers.

Troy Brouwer? Don't even get me started.

And I like Frolik. But we paid a lot to get him and shipped out Sven Baertschi whose carving himself out a pretty similar career in Vancouver at about a quarter of the price?

I'd say he's done a pretty average job with team finding hidden gold in Johnny Hockey and getting a steal on Sean Monohan and Tkachuck outside of the top five in the draft.
- HockeyMo

Sven needed to get traded to realize he was actually a crap player who thought he was good ...he needed to be humbled ..if he stayed here he probably isn't the same player

Frolik >Sven

Did BT draft johnny ? I thought that was before his time ...

The three headed goalie monster was on Hartley, who he had the guts to fire a year after the guy was awarded the Jack Adams.
The few trades he's done have for the most part been average to great. He traded for Hamilton. Has locked up Hamilton, Giordano, Monahan, Gaudreau, and Brodie to pretty great contracts, especially when the consensus was most of them would get 1-2 mill more on their contracts. To be fair with Bouma's contract that was when cap space wasn't an issues and he seemed to learn his lesson on signing plugs that had career years playing on Backlund's wing when he let Colborne go.
You're severely overrating Baertschi like most other Canuck fans. His defensive game is severely lacking and the reason he was booted. Frolik's defensive game is on a whole other level than that turd.
Brouwer is what it is. That's the one that feels the most like pressure from Burke and that's the player who had been nothing like what he was touted as coming in, although his uselessness on the powerplay can be attributed to the fact that Monahan plays the shooter spot that he has played most of his career.
I say BT needs to be resigned.
- ScotsonFire

Well said

No way! Brodie is a flame for life in my eyes
I'd want gio gone before brods

This expansion draft is going to play out pretty well for the flames in terms of looking for a winger I have a feeling...

Drouin is sweet no doubt but we need more of a well-skating tough guy on the top line making oshie a good fit. But you're right about the price tag, we're gonna need to shed at least one of brouwer/bouma to get that done
- LittleBroDougie

Gio for Drouin and the rights to Palat.

Gio for Drouin and the rights to Palat.
- Ol_Boy_Wop

Tampa needs cap help ...

Tampa needs cap help ...
- Redmile247

'Twas a joke. Gio needs to stay until they can shore up the rest of their defense.

'Twas a joke. Gio needs to stay until they can shore up the rest of their defense.
- Ol_Boy_Wop

sorry ...it looks like a normal trade offer from more than a few around here

sorry ...it looks like a normal trade offer from more than a few around here
- Redmile247

I mean. It makes sense other than the fact the Lightning are in cap hell. I'd do it in a heartbeat if one of Fat Rass or Kylington prove to be legit top pairing D.

I mean. It makes sense other than the fact the Lightning are in cap hell. I'd do it in a heartbeat if one of Fat Rass or Kylington prove to be legit top pairing D.
- Ol_Boy_Wop

The problem is they are years away from knowing that ...I'm not in a big hurry to deal a main piece....worry about getting a goalie and they will be fine

The problem is they are years away from knowing that ...I'm not in a big hurry to deal a main piece....worry about getting a goalie and they will be fine
- Redmile247

I don't think they look for a top line winger. Ferland needs to show what he can do awn a regular basis.

JG-SM-MF
TK-MB-MF


Gotta see what happens with the bottom 6,#4 in D, and obviously the tender.

Chances are LV drafts either Stajan to Brouwer. I think we loose Brouwer.

Sign Versteeg for the 3rd line with Bennett at center and then put Janko on the wing to start out.

One guy I would not mind taking a stab at is McCarron out in Montreal. They have high hopes for him but not sure what it would cost. I expect they make some moves this summer.

Sign someone that can cause trouble and punch faces for the 4th. And FFS buy out Bouma already. Waste of a space for a young kid.

I don't think they look for a top line winger. Ferland needs to show what he can do awn a regular basis.

JG-SM-MF
TK-MB-MF


Gotta see what happens with the bottom 6,#4 in D, and obviously the tender.

Chances are LV drafts either Stajan to Brouwer. I think we loose Brouwer.

Sign Versteeg for the 3rd line with Bennett at center and then put Janko on the wing to start out.

One guy I would not mind taking a stab at is McCarron out in Montreal. They have high hopes for him but not sure what it would cost. I expect they make some moves this summer.

Sign someone that can cause trouble and punch faces for the 4th. And FFS buy out Bouma already. Waste of a space for a young kid.
- DuranDuran

This team was very good when they got goaltending and took chiasson off the top line as well sat Wideman ...if they want to upgrade that's fine but I am also fine with the top 6 the way it currently is

I'm not so sure vegas takes one of those ...maybe a younger player

This Offseason

1) Re-Sign Treliving. I honestly don't see what this is a point of debate. It should be a given.
2) Trade for MAF. With only 2 years left it is a good place holder for now If trust in Elliott is cone then this is probably the best fit. Cap hit and term are better than Bishop will require and Bishop faltered some after going to the Kings. Pittsburgh may want the world for him but they aren't going to get it because everybody knows they HAVE to move him or the will lose Matt Murray for nothing. Offer a 2nd, an upper mid prospect ( I would consider Kulak or T-Spoon and Poirier). Maybe convince them to take Bouma too.
3) Trade a draft pick to Vegas on the condition that they pick Brouwer. Maybe a mid level prospect too. It will be worth it to free up the money tied into Brouwer.
4) Draft is shaping for Cal Foote to be at the spot where the Flames pick. A very good solid pick to get. Some talk that Owen Tippett may fall down the picks but that is hopeful.
5) 2 year Bridge deal for Bennett. 2.5 mil (3 as an absolute max). He simply did not earn a bigger contract yet, but played much better at the end of the season and in the playoffs.
6) 3 mil, 4 years for Ferland. He proved he can go on the top line once he realized he needed to just play his own game. He was productive, skating better than he ever has and added the needed physical presence that line needed.
7) Resign Stone. 3 mil at the most. 3 or 4 years.
8) Resign Versteeg. 2.5 mil 3 years. He earned it.
9) If you can't move him, Buy out Bouma. He doesn't bring anything extra to the team and his cap space is needed elsewhere.
10) Take a very, very serious run at Karl Alzner. I think it would be 5.5 mil 5 years (it is UFA season). He becomes the partner with Brodie and a true stay at home that this team is missing. Strong Calgary connection.
11) Pick one of Gilles or Rittich to be the back up. I prefer Gilles and give him a third the games as he transitions over 2 years until the MAF contract ends.
12) Plan on having Jankowski Centre the third line with Bennett switched back to left wing. They are better positions and roles for both of them . Give it serious time to see if it works. Put Versteeg on their right side.
13) Give Lazar a 1 year prove it contract (like Versteeg just had).
14) Sign a player like Dwight King (1.25 mil max). Solid 4th line winger, experiences but not old, and will add a physical presence with Engelland now gone.
15) Best prospect Defenceman takes the 6th spot. Shaping to be Andersson. Maybe Kylington.

All that is more than do-able under the Cap. It will be tight to the cap but it fits. Backlund can still be resigned as the Stajan contract will become available then it is needed. Oshie would be great, but the money is more needed on Defence and goal.

That's my plan, but in the end what do I know and I trust Treliving.