Nylander could get it done.


How many firsts is San Jose ponying up?

their biggest problem last year was running with 2 backups for 2/3 of the year.

with quick in net, the team generates more offense than with other goalies.

doughty is young and irreplaceable. so yes, i think they move carter way before doughty.
- Tumbleweed

He will probably get big money on his next contract - Like Shea Weber money. Kings will have to dance more than the Black Hawks around cap issues to accomodate. LA is a good hockey market - so money is not the problem. They will have over $40M tied up in about 8 contracts - with only a goalie and one producer from the bunch this year. If Doughty gets $14M - there will little room under the cap.

Yes he has had a competetive team for many years. Recently axed Lombardi won two cups since 2012. Wilson has won zero cups. Not so sure he is as safe as you think.
- winsix

A healthy Sharks team is looking to play the Ducks right now. I firmly believe that. Wilson can't control half of his top 6 getting injured right before the postseason. I don't think Wilson has done anything to warrant getting fired. Lombardi and Sutter did not deserve to get fired either. LA is going to regret that decision.

Nylander could get it done

*hangs up phone immediately

A healthy Sharks team is looking to play the Ducks right now. I firmly believe that. Wilson can't control half of his top 6 getting injured right before the postseason. I don't think Wilson has done anything to warrant getting fired. Lombardi and Sutter did not deserve to get fired either. LA is going to regret that decision.
- WaterVsAnchor

I agree with you on all your points. The problem is partially due to market and also geography. Financially speaking, LA can afford to miss the playoffs - much more than San Jose. Yet they fired a coach and GM that brought them more cups than any other team except Chicago (tied) since 2012. Maybe it had to do with Lombardi's explanation for the bad contracts. Although Wilson has done better on that front - there is not much in the way of young prospects producing. Let's face it, SJ is an old team and if Wilson goes for it next year - which he probably will, fails bigtime - which could happen - he will surely be a candidate to get fired.

Feels like we are missing the point here.
No way the leafs stack the left side with Reilley/Gardiner/Vlasic and have a porous right.

If they are targeting VLasic it means Reilley or Gardiner is going the other way.
Probably Reilley since Gardiner wouldn't make much sense to SJ.
Which means that it is Vlasic ++ for Reilley.

Or there is another Right for left deal involving either Gardiner or Reilley.

No chance and who gives a truck leafs are not center of Canadian world.

No chance and who gives a truck leafs are not center of Canadian world.
- Pocitos57

Source?

(frank) Vlasic.

Let SJ keep Vlasic and re-sign their 30 year old D to a lofty extension into his late 30's, while the Leafs retain their young stud in Nylander who will be a PPG player in the next couple years and still 4/5 years from UFA.

The bottom line is this. Sure, the Leafs need to improve their D, but they don't have to do it at the expense of Matthews, Marner or Nylander. The Leafs have a poop load of young talent now and still coming up, don't have a single contract over $5M, don't have a single anchor contract, have all our picks +, don't have many NTC/NMC limitations with their players, have loads of cap space and lots more coming, are well positioned for the expansion draft and have a diabolical, disciplined and patient GM who can leverage all of the above.

Vlasic or not, any trade to improve the Leafs' D won't be comprising the team now or screwing with it's future. There are/will be PLENTY of opportunities out there over the next couple years and who better than Lou, Shanny, Babs, Dubas and Hunter to sniff them out, qleverage our position, capitalize on them and continue to execute their plan.

Unless there's an opportunity too good to resist, and Vlasic is far from that, players like JVR, Bozak, lesser prospects (not 34, 16, 29) and picks are what's on the table now.

Vlasic is one of the best shutdown D in the league. JVR isn't even close to enough to get him.

With that said, I don't view the Sharks window as closed and I don't think the Sharks do either. Even with Marleau and Thornton on the wrong side of 35, the Sharks still have a prime Vlasic, Burns, Couture, and Pavelski. These players can be built around for a few more chances at a run. While I think Edmonton is a great team and will be a true threat for seasons to come, I don't think they are better than the Sharks are THIS YEAR. The Sharks released their injury list and it's pretty bad.. Thornton with a torn ACL/MCL, Couture with two face fractures, Hertl with a broken foot, Marleau with a broken thumb, Donskoi with a separated shoulder.. no wonder they couldn't hang.

Sharks will be right back in the fold next season with a retooled roster (Look at Ward, Boedker, Martin, etc. being the ones shipped out)
- WaterVsAnchor

Is this thread as offensive to you as it is to me?

Vlasic is the straw that stirs the drink for the Sharks. Losing him would slam their window shut.

Leafs fans: We get it. Nylander is really good. Still not enough of a reason to give up their chance at a cup in the next few years. This year was an injury riddled mess for them. They'll be back next year.

(frank) Vlasic.

Let SJ keep Vlasic and re-sign their 30 year old D to a lofty extension into his late 30's, while the Leafs retain their young stud in Nylander who will be a PPG player in the next couple years and still 4/5 years from UFA.

The bottom line is this. Sure, the Leafs need to improve their D, but they don't have to do it at the expense of Matthews, Marner or Nylander. The Leafs have a poop load of young talent now and still coming up, don't have a single contract over $5M, don't have a single anchor contract, have all our picks +, don't have many NTC/NMC limitations with their players, have loads of cap space, are well positioned for the expansion draft and have a diabolical, disciplined and patient GM who can leverage all of the above.

Vlasic or not, any trade to improve the Leafs' D won't be comprising the team now or screwing with it's future. There are/will be PLENTY of opportunities out there over the next coupl years and who better than Lou, Shanny, Babs, Dubas and Hunter to sniff them out, leverage our position, capitalize on them and continue to execute their plan.

Unless there's an opportunity too good to resist, and Vlasic is far from that, players like JVR, Bozak, lesser prospects (not 34, 16, 29) and picks are what's on the table now.
- As_I_See_It

Pretty sure that, with the expansion draft and the cap ceiling stagnating, there will be some surprising names out there this offseason. Not that Vlasic isn't an excellent defenseman, but I think the Leafs can probably improve their defense without giving up core assets.

What is rather amusing to me, considering the amount of abuse that is heaped upon him, is that the perfect player to help the Leafs' blueline depth and development moving forward would be Andrew MacDonald. He is a legitimate 3rd pair who can play 2nd pair minutes. He has puck skills but should not be seen as the mover of a pair.
Everyone likes to laugh at his contract, but his actual on ice performance is better than what the Leafs were getting, and since they print their own money....
- wbon22

Nice try, no one would ever take that contract (I've never wished I was wrong more than I do now.) It's not about how much they can afford, its about the cap, won't be fun trying to sign Nylander, Matthews, and Marner with essentially 5M in dead cap space.

JVR and 2017 1st for vlasic

Pretty sure that, with the expansion draft and the cap ceiling stagnating, there will be some surprising names out there this offseason. Not that Vlasic isn't an excellent defenseman, but I think the Leafs can probably improve their defense without giving up core assets.
- eichiefs9

bingo

JVR and 2017 1st for vlasic
- billyberg10

Judas!

JVR and 2017 1st for vlasic
- billyberg10

NOPE!

Leafs aren't dealing their 2017 1st until they know who's available at #17 (go Preds) or #18. Seriously, there could be some pretty solid D around there and who knows who falls?

JVR can go and other assets can be included.

No chance and who gives a truck leafs are not center of Canadian world.
- Pocitos57

Your attendance here and comment proves that they just may be.

All good points,
Perhaps, JVR and Leipsic for Vlasic

NOPE!

Leafs aren't dealing their 2017 1st until they know who's available at #17 (go Preds) or #18. Seriously, there could be some pretty solid D around there and who knows who falls?

JVR can go and other assets can be included.
- As_I_See_It

Kinda hoping that Cal Foote is available at 17-18

Kinda hoping that Cal Foote is available at 17-18
- PatC80

I think he will be. Liljegren, Makar, Heiskanen, Valimaki, and Brannstrom will all probably go before he does.

JVR and 2017 1st for vlasic
- billyberg10

I'd do this for Braun. Not Vlasic. You are still undervaluing Vlasic.

Marleau and Thornton at old. The Sharks window is closed. Time to move on. Moving valuable assets now would be a good move. Vlasic is a great D man. A Team Canada level D man. Price will be high. But I wouldn't go Marner, Nylander high
- BernardShakey

Well since he's a free agent soon that prob drives his value down some.
But assuming some kind of agreed upon extension or something like that, based on pure value alone, he's worth MORE than nylander. quite possibly significantly more

I'd do this for Braun. Not Vlasic. You are still undervaluing Vlasic.
- WaterVsAnchor

pass. kinda pricey for braun.

what do you want for schlemko?

Well since he's a free agent soon that prob drives his value down some.
But assuming some kind of agreed upon extension or something like that, based on pure value alone, he's worth MORE than nylander.
- HB77

Not to a young, rebuilding team that doesn't figure to be a true contender for at least a couple years.

pass. kinda pricey for braun.

what do you want for schlemko?
- Tumbleweed

Matthews & my wife, who left me