Ottawa traded the Tarasenko pick for Rundblad.
- fry

Yeah that stings... we all make mistakes though. Was just talking the other day about how the Sharks traded a 3rd for Raffi Torres. Jake Guentzel, Sven Andrighetto, Pavel Buchnevich, Anton Slepyshev and Anthony Duclair were all taken in that round after the Sharks 3rd pick.

I think his logic was every team that doesn't pick 1st overall isn't rebuilding


- classic321

Actually Gardiner was a Burke trade and kadri and Reilly was because we sucked! That's when they started dumping players /contacts and picked Nylander, Marner, and Matthews, so yes more than 1 year correct!

Yeah that stings... we all make mistakes though. Was just talking the other day about how the Sharks traded a 3rd for Raffi Torres. Jake Guentzel, Sven Andrighetto, Pavel Buchnevich, Anton Slepyshev and Anthony Duclair were all taken in that round after the Sharks 3rd pick.
- WaterVsAnchor

We know how that feels!

What is it with Sweden anyways? They seem able to produce an ungodly amount of incredible blueliners.
- TheTaoOfSemenko

True! And women!

Umm.. the last time the Leafs won a Cup there were 6 teams in the league. I'd say your odds were pretty good back then. That was also nearly 25 years BEFORE the Sharks even existed. I think when it's been 50 years since you've won anything any past wins become completely irrelevant. Sharks became a team in 1991, and they have been a better team than Toronto the majority of the time they've existed.

ANY Cup wins before the first expansion of the league are completely irrelevant at this point. If the Sharks were an original team they'd have a crap ton of Cups by now too.
- WaterVsAnchor

... and there it is, trolling about past cup wins

I looked up pictures of the Sharks Cup parade, and got a 404 error.

Yeah that stings... we all make mistakes though. Was just talking the other day about how the Sharks traded a 3rd for Raffi Torres. Jake Guentzel, Sven Andrighetto, Pavel Buchnevich, Anton Slepyshev and Anthony Duclair were all taken in that round after the Sharks 3rd pick.
- WaterVsAnchor

Exactly, there is no sense looking back at the horrible misses because every team has had them.

Umm.. the last time the Leafs won a Cup there were 6 teams in the league. I'd say your odds were pretty good back then. That was also nearly 25 years BEFORE the Sharks even existed. I think when it's been 50 years since you've won anything any past wins become completely irrelevant. Sharks became a team in 1991, and they have been a better team than Toronto the majority of the time they've existed.

ANY Cup wins before the first expansion of the league are completely irrelevant at this point. If the Sharks were an original team they'd have a crap ton of Cups by now too.
- WaterVsAnchor

Horsesh!t - First of all, I didn't win anything, the team I am a fan of has won 13 cups, not close to the 24 that the Habs have won, but still good for second all time. You can twist it any way you want. If you wish to talk about it mathematically, fine - in the 100 years that the Leafs have been a team they've won it 13 times good for thirteen percent, SJ has won zero times in 26 years good for 0%. Coming close, being a better team in the regular season - who gives a rat's ass? Zero cups is zero cups. How did you come up with mathematical formula for the bolded statement? Oh right - you pulled it out of your ass. Rangers are an original six team and have won it 4 times. Learn the facts before talking nonesense.

Oilers won 5 Cups post expansion in a dynasty full of Hall Of Famers...and I still think it was long enough ago that it's not relevant anymore.
- TheTaoOfSemenko

if we are old enough to remember it well, then it is relevant

Ok, so I didn't read all these replies, so I'm sorry if I'm being repetitive. I pose this question: Do the Leafs need Vlasic? They definitely need to improve their defense, but I don't think they need someone like Vlasic.

IMO the Leafs need a Paul Martin or Adam Larsson type dman, not someone like Vlasic. They also should not have to move someone like Nylander. If they can move Kapanen, JVR or Bozak I think that would be a better route.

If they decide to get more offense-minded dman, then I'd look to LAK. They need offensive punch, so why not try and pry Martinez or Muzzin away? Those guys are playoff battle-tested and under reasonable contracts(not that Vlasic isn't), but I think those guys would require less of a return than Vlasic.

Leafs don't need to go balls-to-the-wall. Just balance out the back-end and they'll be in great position. Even someone like Del Zotto is underrated in how good they are defensively.

I'm just saying there are other options without having to sell the farm.

Horsesh!t - First of all, I didn't win anything, the team I am a fan of has won 13 cups, not close to the 24 that the Habs have won, but still good for second all time. You can twist it any way you want. If you wish to talk about it mathematically, fine - in the 100 years that the Leafs have been a team they've won it 13 times good for thirteen percent, SJ has won zero times in 26 years good for 0%. Coming close, being a better team in the regular season - who gives a rat's ass? Zero cups is zero cups. How did you come up with mathematical formula for the bolded statement? Oh right - you pulled it out of your ass. Rangers are an original six team and have won it 4 times. Learn the facts before talking nonesense.
- winsix

Rangers also have a win post-expansion. Actually, only 1 original six team hasn't won a Cup post expansion.

Yeah that isn't happening.

Sorry you are stuck with your misery no one is throwing you a life preserver.
- Aetherial

funny eh wanting to rid themselves of players they don't want for golden? Lol

He also only thinks the Leafs rebuild has only been one year.

I guess Marner, Nylander, Reilly, JVR, Gardiner, and Kadri just appeared in a puff of smoke.
- fry

Yes, because no team has EVER started a rebuild and retained any players.

It has never happened. a Rebuild only happens once you apply the league for a rebuild permit (this has to be done by fax). Then there is a draft where the other teams get to pillage all (5 of) your decent players, and then you have to buy out all the rest and start with ZERO players.

Otherwise, it is not a real rebuild.

We can debate the time frames all we want but I think some Leafs fans look at the rebuild start as when the new regime arrived and the trades of Kessel, and Phaneuf and getting rid of the Clarkson contract.

Does it really matter anyway?

Rangers also have a win post-expansion. Actually, only 1 original six team hasn't won a Cup post expansion.



- TheTaoOfSemenko

- Aetherial

I call it, 'The Dark Cloud Of Tao'

Horsesh!t - First of all, I didn't win anything, the team I am a fan of has won 13 cups, not close to the 24 that the Habs have won, but still good for second all time. You can twist it any way you want. If you wish to talk about it mathematically, fine - in the 100 years that the Leafs have been a team they've won it 13 times good for thirteen percent, SJ has won zero times in 26 years good for 0%. Coming close, being a better team in the regular season - who gives a rat's ass? Zero cups is zero cups. How did you come up with mathematical formula for the bolded statement? Oh right - you pulled it out of your ass. Rangers are an original six team and have won it 4 times. Learn the facts before talking nonesense.
- winsix

Here's how I'll put it.. I wasn't alive the last time the Leafs won a Cup. It is not relevant to me. If we're looking at percentages fine. You've had 100 chances to win the Cup and you've done it 13 times. Sharks have had 26. However, the Sharks have had to battle 29 other teams for that Cup vs the Leafs 5. Also, let's have a contest where whoever knocks the most bottles down with a baseball (think carnival games) wins. You get 100 throws, I get 26. Think I'll win?

And we all know the Rangers suck so that's also irrelevant! (They don't really)

Ok, so I didn't read all these replies, so I'm sorry if I'm being repetitive. I pose this question: Do the Leafs need Vlasic? They definitely need to improve their defense, but I don't think they need someone like Vlasic.

IMO the Leafs need a Paul Martin or Adam Larsson type dman, not someone like Vlasic. They also should not have to move someone like Nylander. If they can move Kapanen, JVR or Bozak I think that would be a better route.

If they decide to get more offense-minded dman, then I'd look to LAK. They need offensive punch, so why not try and pry Martinez or Muzzin away? Those guys are playoff battle-tested and under reasonable contracts(not that Vlasic isn't), but I think those guys would require less of a return than Vlasic.

Leafs don't need to go balls-to-the-wall. Just balance out the back-end and they'll be in great position. Even someone like Del Zotto is underrated in how good they are defensively.

I'm just saying there are other options without having to sell the farm.
- Rinosaur

Muzzin would look great on the Leafs. Signed long-term to a reasonable contract and only 27.

Wonder what the Kings would want for him.

I assume the Kings need some wingers to play with Carter and.or Kopitar... What about JVR for Muzzin? Think other pieces will need to be added

Ouch.

Edmonton could have trade Mike Comrie for Corey Perry one year, but Lowe said Comrie needed to repay 2.5 million of his salary.

Needless to say, the deal disintegrated.

That's just one story. Oilers have fans have EARNED some good times.
- TheTaoOfSemenko

Love stories like those.

Button got offered Luongo for Derek Morris the same day Calgary drafted him.

Montreal almost pulled off Datsyuk for Gomez when both were up for new contracts.

Ok, so I didn't read all these replies, so I'm sorry if I'm being repetitive. I pose this question: Do the Leafs need Vlasic? They definitely need to improve their defense, but I don't think they need someone like Vlasic.

IMO the Leafs need a Paul Martin or Adam Larsson type dman, not someone like Vlasic. They also should not have to move someone like Nylander. If they can move Kapanen, JVR or Bozak I think that would be a better route.

If they decide to get more offense-minded dman, then I'd look to LAK. They need offensive punch, so why not try and pry Martinez or Muzzin away? Those guys are playoff battle-tested and under reasonable contracts(not that Vlasic isn't), but I think those guys would require less of a return than Vlasic.

Leafs don't need to go balls-to-the-wall. Just balance out the back-end and they'll be in great position. Even someone like Del Zotto is underrated in how good they are defensively.

I'm just saying there are other options without having to sell the farm.
- Rinosaur

Oh my god someone that makes total franking sense! Be off with you, no room for logical thinking here! Elitist

Love stories like those.

Button got offered Luongo for Derek Morris the same day Calgary drafted him.

Montreal almost pulled off Datsyuk for Gomez when both were up for new contracts.
- fry

Leafs could have had Scott Niedermayer, Luongo and if we go back far enough, they even passed on drafting Mike Bossy.. We even drafted Scott Pearson ahead of Jeremy Roenick

So, please let's not play this game anymore

Yeah that stings... we all make mistakes though. Was just talking the other day about how the Sharks traded a 3rd for Raffi Torres. Jake Guentzel, Sven Andrighetto, Pavel Buchnevich, Anton Slepyshev and Anthony Duclair were all taken in that round after the Sharks 3rd pick.
- WaterVsAnchor

Hah those get rough. Still not happy about the Galiardi trade. Bear, Timashov, and Micheal Spacek were still available when that 4th rolled around.

Oh my god someone that makes total franking sense! Be off with you, no room for logical thinking here! Elitist
- MR.Hunter

My bad. I'll go back to my hovel.

Love stories like those.

Button got offered Luongo for Derek Morris the same day Calgary drafted him.

Montreal almost pulled off Datsyuk for Gomez when both were up for new contracts.
- fry

Sports really have this cool element of random chance.

Tom Brady almost didn't get drafted for instance.

Leafs could have had Scott Niedermayer, Luongo and if we go back far enough, they even passed on drafting Mike Bossy.. We even drafted Scott Pearson ahead of Jeremy Roenick

So, please let's not play this game anymore
- PatC80

I once read some story about a deal where the Oilers and the Leafs were basically going to trade their entire teams to each other.

Muzzin would look great on the Leafs. Signed long-term to a reasonable contract and only 27.

Wonder what the Kings would want for him.

I assume the Kings need some wingers to play with Carter and.or Kopitar... What about JVR for Muzzin? Think other pieces will need to be added
- PatC80

I think JVR for Muzzin is a very good deal straight-up. I would actually move JVR before I move Bozak. Your 1-2-3 punch down the middle is is very good, but if it came down it I'd move Bozak. You're not getting something for nothing, but you don't have to sell the future.

Love stories like those.

Button got offered Luongo for Derek Morris the same day Calgary drafted him.

Montreal almost pulled off Datsyuk for Gomez when both were up for new contracts.
- fry

oh the pain that could have been avoided in leaf land

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