I already knew his value but wow are those numbers sick.
- TheTaoOfSemenko

Without looking, I suspect that's cherry picking.

Within any one given series, you're going to find a top scorer that goes a little dry. I'd be willing to bet I could find a few players that scored way more than normal in those very same series.

Not that I disagree with Vlasic being a top dman. No doubt he is.

I just wouldn't trade a top young 20 year old, for 30 year old with 1 year left on his contract. That would be a huge mistake.

I get San Jose does NOT want to lose Vlasic. Not that I expect any of these trades to happen, but they may be put in a position to get what they can for him, in the near future.

I think Lucic was way more valuable than his point totals show.. Plus Draisaitl is gonna be great..
- PatC80

Looches point totals were pretty much on par with his typical numbers, and yes he brings more to the table.

The deal makes absolutely no sense. A typical EK rumour. Other than Matthews, I'd imagine Nylander would be the most untouchable Leafs player in the minds of management.

I also believe there's not way Vlasic waives for Toronto.

It's pointless
- walshyleafsfan

Its not a bad formula for hits.

Propose a trade that would never happen

Include a player from a hockey crazed market

Watch hits go up as reason collides with hubris

You're still trying to debate asset value. Clearly you didn't read my post.

Thanks for the backhanded insult towards Bennett. Where did that come from?

Vlasic isn't going to free agency. You don't know much about the Sharks. Stop trying to justify a trade that would never happen because you're hubris is having a "heavy" day.
- fry

Who knows where he ends up, but I wouldn't assume he stays with the sinking ship that is San Jose.

Vlasic is a great D, but a 30 year D who's contract expires after next season is simply not worth a 20 year old rookie who just put up 61pts on a team full of rookies and with TWO other rookie linemates.

When you consider:
Vlasic's age, contract situation and vet support around him
vs
Nylander's age, contract situation, his lack of support and his significant upside

It's not even close.

Again, IF the Leafs were to ever consider deal Nylander for a D I can assure you that they'd be looking for and expecting more than a 30 year old Vlasic.
- As_I_See_It

Good luck with that

Nylander? Are you insane? Vlasic is ok, Nylander will be great.

Chicago's had a really good run. 7 fat years, 7 lean years coming. Seabrook 7 years at $6.875M per for a 32 year old middle of the road d-man - Enjoy!
- winsix

Nobody should even consider Seabrook unless the Hawks are eating at least $1.5M, otherwise I'm sure 29 other GMs are happy to leave the Hawks with that mess along with the $21M they have locked up in Toews and Kane.

Almost $28M in three players. Ridiculous.

That's the thing, Vlasic is the vet support. Someone mentioned earlier how bad their record is without him in the lineup. Burns may get the sexy numbers but Vlasic is the engine of their blueline.
- TheTaoOfSemenko

Fully agree. And if you're him, what are you thinking about doing next year, when he hits UFA?

Without looking, I suspect that's cherry picking.

Within any one given series, you're going to find a top scorer that goes a little dry. I'd be willing to bet I could find a few players that scored way more than normal in those very same series.

Not that I disagree with Vlasic being a top dman. No doubt he is.

I just wouldn't trade a top young 20 year old, for 30 year old with 1 year left on his contract. That would be a huge mistake.

I get San Jose does NOT want to lose Vlasic. Not that I expect any of these trades to happen, but they may be put in a position to get what they can for him, in the near future.
- prock

I dont really disagree. I dont think this deal makes any sense for either side, and neither Wilson or Shanahan are fools.

Going forward though, a Vlasic type dman is something the Leafs definitely want. I suspect they would probably rather a younger and more raw version to develop along with the youngsters. Although, one should not underestimate the value of a vet to teach, especially on the blueline.

funny...not comparing the two but no one cared about Brent Burns until he turned 29-30...

Fully agree. And if you're him, what are you thinking about doing next year, when he hits UFA?
- prock

Not sure. It depends on whether he's looking to cash in big one more time, or if he likes San Jose enough to take a hometown deal.

That's the thing, Vlasic is the vet support. Someone mentioned earlier how bad their record is without him in the lineup. Burns may get the sexy numbers but Vlasic is the engine of their blueline.
- TheTaoOfSemenko

this is all nuts. sharks aren't moving vlasic. the leafs would be crazy to move nylander for anything other than a hall/larrsson or jones/johanssen type deal. similar age player on a similar contract.

sharks should be looking to move one of schlemko/braun/meuller to avoid losing them in the draft.

I dont really disagree. I dont think this deal makes any sense for either side, and neither Wilson or Shanahan are fools.

Going forward though, a Vlasic type dman is something the Leafs definitely want. I suspect they would probably rather a younger and more raw version to develop along with the youngsters. Although, one should not underestimate the value of a vet to teach, especially on the blueline.
- TheTaoOfSemenko

I would love Vatanen. He is an underrated guy that no one talks about

funny...not comparing the two but no one cared about Brent Burns until he turned 29-30...
- drexel

Funny how it coincided with him putting up 60+ pts a year.

I would love Vatanen. He is an underrated guy that no one talks about
- Santo_44

He's talked about out west plenty. Him and Lindholm and Fowler are all awesome...

...and Im happy they're all somewhat dinged up right now.

I dont really disagree. I dont think this deal makes any sense for either side, and neither Wilson or Shanahan are fools.

Going forward though, a Vlasic type dman is something the Leafs definitely want. I suspect they would probably rather a younger and more raw version to develop along with the youngsters. Although, one should not underestimate the value of a vet to teach, especially on the blueline.
- TheTaoOfSemenko

Bingo.

If the Leafs were going to deal Nylander it would be for a younger top pairing D with big upside i.e. Hamilton, Ristolainen or Trouba.

He's talked about out west plenty. Him and Lindholm and Fowler are all awesome...

...and Im happy they're all somewhat dinged up right now.
- TheTaoOfSemenko

They have an amazing D core when healthy...You guys rae lucky they are dinged up.

He's talked about out west plenty. Him and Lindholm and Fowler are all awesome...

...and Im happy they're all somewhat dinged up right now.
- TheTaoOfSemenko

Probably one of the best D-man in the NHL.

So underrated.

EXACTLY
Look at his last few play off series against top line players.

LA Kings:
Tyler Toffoli Regular Season: 31 Goals/82games
Playoffs: 0 Goals 1 Assist / 5 games

Nashville Predators:
Filip Forsberg Regular Season 33G 33 A 82 Games
Playoffs 0G 1A 7 Games

St Louis Blues
Tarasenko Regular Season: 40G 34A
Playoffs: 2 G 0 A 6 Games (2 Goals scored in last 2 minutes of Game 6)

Pittsburgh Penguins
Crosby 85 Pts
Playoffs: 4pts/6 Games

Edmonton Oilers
Mcdavid : 100pts
0 Even strength points (1 Goal EN)

Some of these trade proposals for one of the top shut down D-man in the NHL are embarrassingly bad.
- classic321

Adding Leipsic though. That pushes it over the top.

Yes.......Leaf fans don't want to trade their 61 point 20 year old rookie for a UFA 30 year old d man.

Leafs fans are saying they would do JVR/Leipsic but no more

Sharks fans don't want to trade their #1 shutdown D so they can lock him up for the remainder of his career

Sharks fans are saying they would do Braun and no more



I don't think either fans are talking "crazy" like you are stating


in fact you are the only one who seems butt hurt by all this
- Santo_44

No Kidding! But you would be butt hurt too if Burke still ran the Leafs. With the McDavid evolving into a franchise player, Flames will be butt hurt for a long time.

I would love Vatanen. He is an underrated guy that no one talks about
- Santo_44

Agreed, but:

A. What would it take for Vatanen alone?

B. What would it take for Vatanen plus either Theodore or Manson?

Why not try to knock it out in one trade?

No Kidding! But you would be butt hurt too if Burke still ran the Leafs. With the McDavid evolving into a franchise player, Flames will be butt hurt for a long time.
- winsix

Way to try to make it personal. Aren't you responding to a person saying the only butthurt person is me?

Burke is fine here.

Agreed, but:

A. What would it take for Vatanen alone?

B. What would it take for Vatanen plus either Theodore or Manson?

Why not try to knock it out in one trade?
- As_I_See_It

More than you guys would be willing to give up.

More than you guys would be willing to give up.
- TheTaoOfSemenko

Vats and Manson would cost you Nylander.

Adding Leipsic though. That pushes it over the top.
- fry

Hey man, by all means keep Vlasic... He'll be 32yrs old in the first year of his 6-8 year extension for $6.5-$7M per!

No way the league's best shutdown D signs for anything less... Unless he walks for nothing next summer.