They've played too.much hockey. They are now damaged goods. Their career will fall off a cliff soon (already started)
- walshyleafsfan

Have to agree with this. People wondering whats wrong with Chicago seem to be forgetting that their dcore is older and these guys have played a ton of hockey the last 10 years.

I'd say the Sharks would very much like to have Matthews lol.
- TheTaoOfSemenko

Doubt it. They may get Melker Karlsson back if the Leafs sweetened the pot

I don't think there's a fit between Sharks and the Leafs. Leafs don't have anything the Sharks want and the Leafs couldn't afford anything the Sharks have
- walshyleafsfan

agreed.

time to move on.

NOPE!

Leafs aren't dealing their 2017 1st until they know who's available at #17 (go Preds) or #18. Seriously, there could be some pretty solid D around there and who knows who falls?

JVR can go and other assets can be included.
- As_I_See_It

im pretty sure they know who is available in the upcoming draft. Lists all over the internets.

Doubt it. They may get Melker Karlsson back if the Leafs sweetened the pot
- walshyleafsfan

Didn't know Vantel had an alt

I agree with you that Nylander is really good. What you are perhaps not considering is control. Vlasic has one (that's the digit that comes after zero) year of control left. He will get a contract for $6M plus for 5 years probably. Nylander has over 5 years of control left. He is twenty years old and the Flames passed on him to pick the barf bag that is Sam Bennet (26 points this year). Vlasic if he makes free agency will be a good pick up for a contender with lots of capspace (show me one) or a foolish GM.
- winsix

You're still trying to debate asset value. Clearly you didn't read my post.

Thanks for the backhanded insult towards Bennett. Where did that come from?

Vlasic isn't going to free agency. You don't know much about the Sharks. Stop trying to justify a trade that would never happen because you're hubris is having a "heavy" day.

agreed.

time to move on.
- Tumbleweed

Leafs should just draft their really good players like they've been doing. Draft a few dmen and another top 6 forward and they'll be gold

Seabrook for JVR
Hjalmarsson for Nylander

There's Toronto's new #1 dominant pairing.
- Dannyboy

Chicago's had a really good run. 7 fat years, 7 lean years coming. Seabrook 7 years at $6.875M per for a 32 year old middle of the road d-man - Enjoy!

Leafs should just draft their really good players like they've been doing. Draft a few dmen and another top 6 forward and they'll be gold
- walshyleafsfan

i disagree there.

time to win is soon. much like we added andersen, we need to add a dman.

You're still trying to debate asset value. Clearly you didn't read my post.

Thanks for the backhanded insult towards Bennett. Where did that come from?

Vlasic isn't going to free agency. You don't know much about the Sharks. Stop trying to justify a trade that would never happen because you're hubris is having a "heavy" day.
- fry

Erm.... I don't think this trade is even being talked about is it? EK just made it up

Chicago's had a really good run. 7 fat years, 7 lean years coming. Seabrook 7 years at $6.875M per for a 32 year old middle of the road d-man - Enjoy!
- winsix

Yeah what is the point...just give Shattenkirk the exact same and you at least get a D yo know wont be declining any time soon

I don't think there is a team in the NHL that wants to take that contact...He is a solid d man but there is no point taking on that contract.

Hjalmarasson for JVR can be worked out with some other pieces going both ways.
- Santo_44

i don't see how jvr for hjm is good for the hawks

i disagree there.

time to win is soon. much like we added andersen, we need to add a dman.
- Tumbleweed

I think they've got all next season and then up until the deadline of the season after to win what they're missing. No rush.

Is this thread as offensive to you as it is to me?

Vlasic is the straw that stirs the drink for the Sharks. Losing him would slam their window shut.

Leafs fans: We get it. Nylander is really good. Still not enough of a reason to give up their chance at a cup in the next few years. This year was an injury riddled mess for them. They'll be back next year.
- fry

Back to what exactly?

As far as "value", it's not a bad deal for either team. I guess it really depends on who is going to fill those voids left behind.

Given the age difference, I just can't see Toronto doing this deal unless they're sure they can challenge for a cup next season or the season after - and do so without Nylander.

As a Sharks fan, I wouldn't give up Vlasic for anyone other than Nylander. (Well, Mathews, but trying to be somewhat realistic here...) Still would be a tough call.... Not sure the Sharks have anyone that could come close to filling the void if Vlasic were to get traded. I've heard great things about Heed and Ryan in the Sharks farm system, but how often do kids (especially defensemen) excel in the AHL then face plant in the NHL.

Erm.... I don't think this trade is even being talked about is it? EK just made it up
- walshyleafsfan

Ten pages bro.

Almost entirely of Leafs fans saying "no way Nylander. JVR + Leipsic or no trade"

And Sharks fans saying "wtf no why are you people like this?"

Leafs should just draft their really good players like they've been doing. Draft a few dmen and another top 6 forward and they'll be gold
- walshyleafsfan

nope.

They have the assets to acquire at least a top 4 in an expansion draft year and a year where there were a lot of surprise teams eliminated.

If there was any year you could trade equal value for a D man it is this year...

nope.

They have the assets to acquire at least a top 4 in an expansion draft year and a year where there were a lot of surprise teams eliminated.

If there was any year you could trade equal value for a D man it is this year...
- Santo_44

agreed.

they make a trade this june.

Ten pages bro.

Almost entirely of Leafs fans saying "no way Nylander. JVR + Leipsic or no trade"

And Sharks fans saying "wtf no why are you people like this?"
- fry

Excellently succinct.

Then stop suggesting they trade their best defenseman for trade chips.

Any Sharks fan who's seen the Sharks play without Vlasic knows he's more important to winning than Burns is. Their record is dog sh!t without him.
- fry

Vlasic is a great D, but a 30 year D who's contract expires after next season is simply not worth a 20 year old rookie who just put up 61pts on a team full of rookies and with TWO other rookie linemates.

When you consider:
Vlasic's age, contract situation and vet support around him
vs
Nylander's age, contract situation, his lack of support and his significant upside

It's not even close.

Again, IF the Leafs were to ever consider deal Nylander for a D I can assure you that they'd be looking for and expecting more than a 30 year old Vlasic.

Ten pages bro.

Almost entirely of Leafs fans saying "no way Nylander. JVR + Leipsic or no trade"

And Sharks fans saying "wtf no why are you people like this?"
- fry

The deal makes absolutely no sense. A typical EK rumour. Other than Matthews, I'd imagine Nylander would be the most untouchable Leafs player in the minds of management.

I also believe there's not way Vlasic waives for Toronto.

It's pointless

Vlasic is a great D, but a 30 year D who's contract expires after next season is simply not worth a 20 year old rookie who just put up 61pts on a team full of rookies and with TWO other rookie linemates.

When you consider:
Vlasic's age, contract situation and vet support around him
vs
Nylander's age, contract situation, his lack of support and his significant upside

It's not even close.

Again, IF the Leafs were to ever consider deal Nylander for a D I can assure you that they'd be looking for and expecting more than a 30 year old Vlasic.
- As_I_See_It

Again, still talking asset value. Not sure you read either post. Why am I typing? You wont read this. Put potato chips in a sandwich.

Obviously big factors, but anyone thinking that they were the only reason simply hasnt watched the team enough. Our blueline hasn't been this good in a very long time, and the forwards actually play 2 ways now.
- TheTaoOfSemenko

I think Lucic was way more valuable than his point totals show.. Plus Draisaitl is gonna be great..

Vlasic is a great D, but a 30 year D who's contract expires after next season is simply not worth a 20 year old rookie who just put up 61pts on a team full of rookies and with TWO other rookie linemates.

When you consider:
Vlasic's age, contract situation and vet support around him
vs
Nylander's age, contract situation, his lack of support and his significant upside

It's not even close.

Again, IF the Leafs were to ever consider deal Nylander for a D I can assure you that they'd be looking for and expecting more than a 30 year old Vlasic.
- As_I_See_It

That's the thing, Vlasic is the vet support. Someone mentioned earlier how bad their record is without him in the lineup. Burns may get the sexy numbers but Vlasic is the engine of their blueline.

Ten pages bro.

Almost entirely of Leafs fans saying "no way Nylander. JVR + Leipsic or no trade"

And Sharks fans saying "wtf no why are you people like this?"
- fry

Yes.......Leaf fans don't want to trade their 61 point 20 year old rookie for a UFA 30 year old d man.

Leafs fans are saying they would do JVR/Leipsic but no more

Sharks fans don't want to trade their #1 shutdown D so they can lock him up for the remainder of his career

Sharks fans are saying they would do Braun and no more



I don't think either fans are talking "crazy" like you are stating


in fact you are the only one who seems butt hurt by all this