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JW98FlyerFan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.02.2013

Apr 26 @ 10:57 AM ET
I agree will Bill too. I personally think Bill is saying that NOT practicing with the team is the deciding factor over being 18 years old.

Maybe people think a goalie just goes into a game and when he sees a puck he stops it. There is a lot more to it then that. Communication with the d-men are huge, knowing them and them knowing the goalie. Puck hand offs, how the goalie handles rebounds, knowing how a d-man will block a shot, etc.

No practice could easily turn out to be silly mistakes that will become natural habit over time and ends with the Phantoms getting routed. I would question the coach if he put a young player in that position.

- Glak18


I agree with Bill as well, he just very rarely comes out with a visceral response to a post he strongly disagrees with...I was more being facetious about his real feelings not coming through...
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Apr 26 @ 10:58 AM ET
Melrose's mullet has a full NMC.
- Doc_Sarcasm

hockeylover
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: There's always next year., NT
Joined: 08.03.2006

Apr 26 @ 11:05 AM ET
What's ESPN?
ggunky
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I like cold beverages, NJ
Joined: 04.09.2008

Apr 26 @ 11:08 AM ET
How many 18-year-old goalies, no matter their future potential, are ready for pro hockey let alone an elimination game... and on top of that , with all of one full practice since his junior season ended, and for it to be his debut pro game? Zero.

To start Hart would be idiotic. No coach in any pro league would do so. The question isn't whether OHart is expected to be a better pro goalie than Oullette a few years from now. The question is who gives LV a better chance tonight and for however long this series goes? That is Oullette.

Also, goaltending is such a mentally tough position to play. To send a kid out on a bad note because you set him up to fail is horrible player development strategy . Any hockey ops professional would agree.

- bmeltzer


In this case, i am not saying i disagree just making an observation, should Hart be the backup?

What if Oullette gets injured in warm-ups or sometime within the game? then Hart is thrown to the wolves.

I know the probability is low, but why even risk it?


Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Apr 26 @ 11:11 AM ET
In this case, i am not saying i disagree just making an observation, should Hart be the backup?

What if Oullette gets injured in warm-ups or sometime within the game? then Hart is thrown to the wolves.

I know the probability is low, but why even risk it?

- ggunky


What if Giroux plays poorly next year then we find out he played injured...again. Do we sign VdV to a long term extension?
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Apr 26 @ 11:15 AM ET
In this case, i am not saying i disagree just making an observation, should Hart be the backup?

What if Oullette gets injured in warm-ups or sometime within the game? then Hart is thrown to the wolves.

I know the probability is low, but why even risk it?

- ggunky


He knows he is going to be the backup and therefore will play if something were to happen to Oullette
Doc_Sarcasm
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Should of studied Geometry
Joined: 04.28.2013

Apr 26 @ 11:18 AM ET

- Scoob



Thats beautiful, man.
rinaldo
Joined: 05.10.2011

Apr 26 @ 11:21 AM ET
The worst thing that can happen is you put an 18-year-old goalie who has scarcely even practiced with the Phantoms out to get shelled in an elimination game and have that experience be how he exits the season. Then it weighs in him until whenever he plays his next pro game. It's not fair to him or the team. Any other coach worth a damn would start Oullette. He is the one who gives the team the best chance to win tonight's game. This is isn't about 2 years from now.
- bmeltzer

if he plays bad he goes out and gets laid. forget about it real quick. You play the best goalie. If that isn't hart then ok.

Maybe he plays lights out and they go on a run.
rinaldo
Joined: 05.10.2011

Apr 26 @ 11:23 AM ET
How many 18-year-old goalies, no matter their future potential, are ready for pro hockey let alone an elimination game... and on top of that , with all of one full practice since his junior season ended, and for it to be his debut pro game? Zero.

To start Hart would be idiotic. No coach in any pro league would do so. The question isn't whether OHart is expected to be a better pro goalie than Oullette a few years from now. The question is who gives LV a better chance tonight and for however long this series goes? That is Oullette.

Also, goaltending is such a mentally tough position to play. To send a kid out on a bad note because you set him up to fail is horrible player development strategy . Any hockey ops professional would agree.

- bmeltzer

Your sending him out on a positive note as you had the confidence to play him in that situation. Disagree it sends him out on a bad note.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Apr 26 @ 11:24 AM ET
What's ESPN?
- hockeylover


It used to be this really great sports channel they had on cable before they decided they wanted to be full time shills for the sports they have TV contracts with.

jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Apr 26 @ 11:26 AM ET
I was kind of thinking the same thing. I haven't used anything ESPN in many years, but again I don't follow football or mens darts any more.
- Glak18


Sportscenter segments:

Dunks - dunks - Tom Brady - dunks - college football - dunks - home runs and diving catches - LeBron - dunks - dunks - LeBron part deux - dunks - personal interest story of wealthy millionaire falling on "hard times - dunks
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Apr 26 @ 11:27 AM ET
He knows he is going to be the backup and therefore will play if something were to happen to Oullette
- YuenglingJagr


But if he plays, it could be bad and he'll be ruined.

What a horribly-run organization for making him the backup.

"Also, goaltending is such a mentally tough position to play. To send a kid out on a bad note because you set him up to fail is horrible player development strategy . Any hockey ops professional would agree."

Then why even dress him with the possibility he may have to play?
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Apr 26 @ 11:30 AM ET
if he plays bad he goes out and gets laid. forget about it real quick. You play the best goalie. If that isn't hart then ok.

Maybe he plays lights out and they go on a run.

- rinaldo


What if he ends up getting a girl pregnant? All because of a bad coaching decision...
ggunky
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I like cold beverages, NJ
Joined: 04.09.2008

Apr 26 @ 11:30 AM ET
He knows he is going to be the backup and therefore will play if something were to happen to Oullette
- YuenglingJagr



I see, so his mental make-up wont be impacted if he were to come in as the backup and get shelled.

GOT IT!

Thanks!

Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Apr 26 @ 11:31 AM ET
Sportscenter segments:

Dunks - dunks - Tom Brady - dunks - college football - dunks - home runs and diving catches - LeBron - dunks - dunks - LeBron part deux - dunks - personal interest story of wealthy millionaire falling on "hard times - dunks

- jmatchett383


Do people still dunk?
rinaldo
Joined: 05.10.2011

Apr 26 @ 11:33 AM ET
What if he ends up getting a girl pregnant? All because of a bad coaching decision...
- Glak18

I am sure he will make a good father
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Apr 26 @ 11:33 AM ET
I see, so his mental make-up wont be impacted if he were to come in as the backup and get shelled.

GOT IT!

Thanks!

- ggunky

Who knows...but I think it is an easier position for him to be in
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Apr 26 @ 11:35 AM ET
Do people still dunk?
- Glak18


Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Apr 26 @ 11:36 AM ET


Then why even dress him with the possibility he may have to play?

- jmatchett383


Do they have any other option for a backup?
WhirlingDervish
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "Make The Flyers Great Again", PA
Joined: 02.01.2016

Apr 26 @ 11:40 AM ET
Yup, I expect that to change over the next few years. Vorobyov and Lindblom are both 6 foot plus and over 200 pounds, Laberge is 6'1 and should play at 190-195 or so, Allison 6'2 205, Bunnamon 6'1 207 and Rubtsov is 6'1 and expected to play at 195 or so as well.
- BiggE

I read he had a growth spurt and is now more like 6'3... Wouldn't that be nice.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Apr 26 @ 11:44 AM ET

- Scoob


Hopefully ESPN doesn't see this clip, they may end up making Donut Dunking a national sport pushing hockey even further down their chain.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Apr 26 @ 11:45 AM ET
Do they have any other option for a backup?
- Scoob


Eric Semborski?

Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Apr 26 @ 11:49 AM ET
Eric Semborski?
- johndewar


lol but I'm sure he's an emergency-only guy and I'm not sure their current situation qualifies as an emergency.

My ask was sincere - he's not starting for the reason's Bill cites, but maybe they have no other options so he has to be the backup. :shrug:
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Apr 26 @ 11:50 AM ET
Shows how much they care to talk about hockey. Will probably work out better for LeBrun and Burnside anyway.
- YuenglingJagr


LeBrun is so much better than that weenie Burnside. LeBrun could replace MacKenzie when he finally retires, which doesn't sound too far away based on his podcast.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Apr 26 @ 11:51 AM ET
LeBrun is so much better than that weenie Burnside. LeBrun could replace MacKenzie when he finally retires, which doesn't sound too far away based on his podcast.
- Feanor

agreed
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