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jmdodgeser4
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.26.2009

Apr 25 @ 1:41 PM ET
I think the best way to utilize Ghost is to set him free and just live with his defensive shortcomings. More Paul Coffey, less Scott Stevens.....
- MBFlyerfan


so like....set your spirit free?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 25 @ 1:42 PM ET
Make Gostisbehere a LW . . . problem solved. I'm actually not opposed to that crazy idea I have seen floated about.
- fls13



Not only is.it crazy but it's a ridiculously bad idea.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 25 @ 1:44 PM ET
The better solution is to put Raffl on the Golden Knights roster or waive him.
- fls13


Why would you waive him when you can trade him?
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Apr 25 @ 1:45 PM ET
Not only is.it crazy but it's a ridiculously bad idea.
- MJL

Probably, but you never know for sure. When Mark Howe was putting up 100 point seasons playing wing in the WHA in the 70s, no one pegged him for a Norris trophy finalist 10 years later.

Don't want to have a 5 page argument with you, just saying you can never know for sure that it wouldn't work.
JW98FlyerFan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.02.2013

Apr 25 @ 1:48 PM ET
Probably, but you never know for sure. When Mark Howe was putting up 100 point seasons playing wing in the WHA in the 70s, no one pegged him for a Norris trophy finalist 10 years later.

Don't want to have a 5 page argument with you, just saying you can never know for sure that it wouldn't work.

- BiggE

Smart to egress early
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 25 @ 1:49 PM ET
Probably, but you never know for sure. When Mark Howe was putting up 100 point seasons playing wing in the WHA in the 70s, no one pegged him for a Norris trophy finalist 10 years later.

Don't want to have a 5 page argument with you, just saying you can never know for sure that it wouldn't work.

- BiggE



I'm pretty confident in ststing its a bad idea. The Howe situation is a rarity. Gostisbehere has been developed as a defenseman.

The only way you would have a 5 page argument with me.is if you decide to have one. Stick to the topic.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Apr 25 @ 1:50 PM ET
I'm pretty confident in ststing its a bad idea. The Howe situation is a rarity. Gostisbehere has been developed as a defenseman.

The only way you would have a 5 page argument with me.is if you decide to have one. Stick to the topic.

- MJL

Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Apr 25 @ 1:58 PM ET
And as of right now, Sanheim, Myers, Morin, and Hagg have produced a combined zero points in the NHL.
- jmatchett383


So lets not ever, ever talk about this again
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Apr 25 @ 1:59 PM ET
Probably, but you never know for sure. When Mark Howe was putting up 100 point seasons playing wing in the WHA in the 70s, no one pegged him for a Norris trophy finalist 10 years later.

Don't want to have a 5 page argument with you, just saying you can never know for sure that it wouldn't work.

- BiggE


Right, but history suggests it's not even worth trying.
fls13
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 03.24.2009

Apr 25 @ 2:02 PM ET
Not only is.it crazy but it's a ridiculously bad idea.
- MJL


Why?

Gostisbehere-Giroux-Simmonds
Lindblom-Filppula-Voracek
Konecky-Couturier-Schenn

I'd be happy with that and not feel the need to get a UFA winger.
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Apr 25 @ 2:05 PM ET
It was too good. Everything was (sort of) solved, aside from Oliver driving to who knows where, and all of a sudden this big ball just pops up and traps him...

...and Sid just does nothing? Maybe Lenny's still hanging out in there, too? She was able to be inside of both David and Sid at the same time, why not Oliver and Sid?

- jmatchett383

I'm pretty sure Lenny was never in Sid's head. David created a place in his mind where he and Sid could be together. The only time Sid and Lenny came together was in that place in David's head. If she WAS in Sid's mind it would be because Farouk accessed David's powers to make that happen. I think Lenny/Farouk exists solely in the mind of Oliver. Unless Oliver has powers at the same level as David (doubtful) Farouk will be far less able to effect the outside world.

Just my opinion.

I have no idea what the ball at the end was about.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Apr 25 @ 2:06 PM ET
Why?

Gostisbehere-Giroux-Simmonds
Lindblom-Filppula-Voracek
Konecky-Couturier-Schenn

I'd be happy with that and not feel the need to get a UFA winger.

- fls13



How do you know Gostisbehere can be effective as a wing?

He is dynamic because he does what he does as a defenseman. but when you look at him do you really see someone who has more skill then say Weal or Konecny?

I think you lose his effectiveness once you try to make him something he is not.

mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Apr 25 @ 2:07 PM ET

- BiggE

Rebuked.
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Apr 25 @ 2:08 PM ET
I personally don't want to trade Ghost, but the topic comes up often. Mainly because we have Provy, Sanheim, Morin, Myers, Hagg etc. It's not that someone wants to trade him, but he could get us a solid forward in return. And when you have offensively gifted guys like Sanheim and Myers, who are also bigger and better defensively than Ghost, he becomes somewhat expendable to help another area out for our team. And I 100% agree with your second point about LW... I've mentioned before I would love to target a young LW like Drouin. Giroux has needed a 1LW for years.
- arichardson22



Ghost isn't ever going to be as well rounded most likely as the above but I don't think any of them are going to be as dynamic as him. I really don't want to move Ghost
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Apr 25 @ 2:09 PM ET
Why?

Gostisbehere-Giroux-Simmonds
Lindblom-Filppula-Voracek
Konecky-Couturier-Schenn

I'd be happy with that and not feel the need to get a UFA winger.

- fls13


Don't waste our time with this crap.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Apr 25 @ 2:10 PM ET
Didn't a team briefly try to convert Sbisa?
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Apr 25 @ 2:11 PM ET
He played D for his first 7 seasons in Minnesota. You can see from his ATOI numbers when he was playing D.

http://www.espn.com/nhl/p...ats/_/id/2300/brent-burns

- fls13


Okay. Burns is one, and he subsequently was transferred back to defense. So yes, it sort of happened once in the last 20 years.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Apr 25 @ 2:11 PM ET
Didn't a team briefly try to convert Sbisa?
- Scoob


Yeah, that worked out wonderfully.
fls13
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 03.24.2009

Apr 25 @ 2:12 PM ET
How do you know Gostisbehere can be effective as a wing?

He is dynamic because he does what he does as a defenseman. but when you look at him do you really see someone who has more skill then say Weal or Konecny?

I think you lose his effectiveness once you try to make him something he is not.

- J35Bacher


I think Gostisbehere shoots the puck better than either Weal or Konecny. I think the Flyers need to find ways to generate more goals somehow, some way. Gostisbehere to wing might be one crazy way . . . which is perfect for off season speculation.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Apr 25 @ 2:13 PM ET
Probably, but you never know for sure. When Mark Howe was putting up 100 point seasons playing wing in the WHA in the 70s, no one pegged him for a Norris trophy finalist 10 years later.

Don't want to have a 5 page argument with you, just saying you can never know for sure that it wouldn't work.

- BiggE


But again, that's a forward transitioning to defense. That has happened (with success) far more often than the opposite.

Mark Howe is also a Hall of Famer.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Apr 25 @ 2:13 PM ET
Ghost isn't ever going to be as well rounded most likely as the above but I don't think any of them are going to be as dynamic as him. I really don't want to move Ghost
- nastyflyergirl



I don't think anyone is asking him to be like the others. But he does need to be better in his own end. Even guys like Karlsson and Burns were asked to be better in their own zones.

He doesn't need to be a shutdown guy but he has to be able to defend and not be a liability like he was sometimes this year.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Apr 25 @ 2:14 PM ET
So lets not ever, ever talk about this again
- Just5


No, let's revisit it after one of those guys shows he can replicate or surpass what Ghost can bring at the NHL level.
Doc_Sarcasm
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Should of studied Geometry
Joined: 04.28.2013

Apr 25 @ 2:15 PM ET
Ghost isn't ever going to be as well rounded most likely as the above but I don't think any of them are going to be as dynamic as him. I really don't want to move Ghost
- nastyflyergirl



I don't *want* to move anyone, not when the Flyers still are not certain what they really have in their young defensemen, but they might have to move someone (and you have to give something of value to get something of value) in order to put a Cup contending team on the ice .
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Apr 25 @ 2:16 PM ET
I'm pretty sure Lenny was never in Sid's head. David created a place in his mind where he and Sid could be together. The only time Sid and Lenny came together was in that place in David's head. If she WAS in Sid's mind it would be because Farouk accessed David's powers to make that happen. I think Lenny/Farouk exists solely in the mind of Oliver. Unless Oliver has powers at the same level as David (doubtful) Farouk will be far less able to effect the outside world.

Just my opinion.

I have no idea what the ball at the end was about.

- mayorofangrytown


Fair enough. But Lenny/SK/Farouk did kind of lead Sid into letting him free.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Apr 25 @ 2:16 PM ET
Yeah, that worked out wonderfully.
- jmatchett383


Exactly my/your point
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