According to Fletcher, Granlund has been playing with a broken hand. Which somewhat explains his disappearance in the playoffs.

I think the GM played to much with roster. Go get a top notch goalie . With the combination of the goalies on the roster you will not win in playoffs. They are way to talented to make quick exits out of the playoffs each year.

I think too much is being made of Hanzels performance in his short time here... and what I mean by that is even in light of his seemingly productive stats I think he hindered the team more than helped.

After his arrival, there was an immediately noticeable slow down on the ice whenever he was out there. Aside from face off wins, I thought his play was demonstratively slow and plodding. He loafed on every line change and turned the puck over a lot.

White started like he was shot out of a cannon, and fizzled rather quickly after his 5 points in his first few games.

All in all, hind sight being what it is and all, could possibly be the worst trade deal Fletcher has ever perpetrated on the Wild fans.... and that's saying a lot considering he orchestrated the trades of Burns and Leddy to name a couple of real stinkers.
- MnGump

When Hanzal was out there. Can you explain what happened to the other 3 because they didn't look fast either.

Suter lied to the Preds organization. I was at a radio interview where he told the crowd he was coming back to big cheers from the audience. Would have been traded had he been an honest person, after the fact tells people he hoped he would sign somewhere with Parise all along. Wild and Suter deserve each other
- VopatsRash

Not arguing this point since I really don't care. I for one think he has a lot of influence with the owner and in the locker room and haven't seen the leadership one would expect. My question is why does the Nashville faithful come crashing down on Suter, but love Weber especially after he signed that big offer from Philly. The narrative doesn't fit there, but perhaps I'm missing something on that.

Not arguing this point since I really don't care. I for one think he has a lot of influence with the owner and in the locker room and haven't seen the leadership one would expect. My question is why does the Nashville faithful come crashing down on Suter, but love Weber especially after he signed that big offer from Philly. The narrative doesn't fit there, but perhaps I'm missing something on that.
- arvinb316

Never heard Weber promise to stay in Nashville (though could be wrong.) Suter did. I think people understand it's a business, but a player has no reason to come out and say they are staying, then to leave, then to imply they always wanted to leave and go to the city they went to.

Never heard Weber promise to stay in Nashville (though could be wrong.) Suter did. I think people understand it's a business, but a player has no reason to come out and say they are staying, then to leave, then to imply they always wanted to leave and go to the city they went to.
- Antilles

I'm not here to argue that point, just wanted to hear a different perspective. I'm a Wild fan and am not always glad he's here. At that price point, I guess you demand a bit more than TOI.

Never heard Weber promise to stay in Nashville (though could be wrong.) Suter did. I think people understand it's a business, but a player has no reason to come out and say they are staying, then to leave, then to imply they always wanted to leave and go to the city they went to.
- Antilles

That said, I would understand why those fans don't particularly like him.

Never heard Weber promise to stay in Nashville (though could be wrong.) Suter did. I think people understand it's a business, but a player has no reason to come out and say they are staying, then to leave, then to imply they always wanted to leave and go to the city they went to.
- Antilles

Ok, so show me the quote or interview where he "promised" to stay??? This is what bugs me about this argument. People trying to speak intelligently about what he wanted or didn't want to do, what his true intentions were or were not.

At the time this was going down, I'm sure he wanted to keep all his options open. We don't know what was being said between him/his agent and Poile. How does anyone but them know exactly what he wanted or what he thought was or was not going to happen? It's no secret that every player has curiosities when they become UFA's.

People hear what they want to hear most of the time and take comments out of context or put words in peoples mouths. I don't recall ever hearing Suter "promise" he was going to stay in Nashville.


Obviously at some point Suter was talking to Parise about what their options were and possibly trying to sign in the same place. For all we know they may have wanted to make Nashville their first option but couldn't sell the deal to Poile? So maybe he thought he was going to stay? Who knows? and that's just it, we DON'T!

Ok, so show me the quote or interview where he "promised" to stay??? This is what bugs me about this argument. People trying to speak intelligently about what he wanted or didn't want to do, what his true intentions were or were not.

At the time this was going down, I'm sure he wanted to keep all his options open. We don't know what was being said between him/his agent and Poile. How does anyone but them know exactly what he wanted or what he thought was or was not going to happen? It's no secret that every player has curiosities when they become UFA's.

People hear what they want to hear most of the time and take comments out of context or put words in peoples mouths. I don't recall ever hearing Suter "promise" he was going to stay in Nashville.


Obviously at some point Suter was talking to Parise about what their options were and possibly trying to sign in the same place. For all we know they may have wanted to make Nashville their first option but couldn't sell the deal to Poile? So maybe he thought he was going to stay? Who knows? and that's just it, we DON'T!
- MnGump

I believe the reference was made to the comment about another poster stating they were at a radio interview where he said he was coming back and didn't. I have a few people in the hockey world that tell me things off the record, but won't on so it's possible that it could have happened and possible that it didn't. Either way, it's a pointless argument.

I believe the reference was made to the comment about another poster stating they were at a radio interview where he said he was coming back and didn't. I have a few people in the hockey world that tell me things off the record, but won't on so it's possible that it could have happened and possible that it didn't. Either way, it's a pointless argument.
- arvinb316

Yep, and you're right. Pointless. My whole point is that if he HAD said he was going to stay or even wanted to stay(which I'm not doubting that he did), how do we know his intentions at the time he said it weren't true?

That's why this argument is so pointless. and so is the level of vitriol that continues to come from butt hurt Preds fans.

Yep, and you're right. Pointless. My whole point is that if he HAD said he was going to stay or even wanted to stay, how do we know his intentions at the time he said it weren't true?

That's why this argument is so pointless. and so is the level of vitriol that continues to come from butt hurt Preds fans.
- MnGump

Similar to Minnesota fans and their displeasure with Gaborik.

Similar to Minnesota fans and their displeasure with Gaborik.
- arvinb316

I believe Gaborik wanted to stay... or at least would have stayed but I don't think it was ever in the cards from an organizational stand point.

Which is another reason I don't understand why Wild fans EVER got butt hurt over him leaving. It's not like he had much of a choice unless he was willing to take a butt load less to do so. Fans are dumb.

I believe Gaborik wanted to stay... or at least would have stayed but I don't think it was ever in the cards from an organizational stand point.

Which is another reason I don't understand why Wild fans EVER got butt hurt over him leaving. It's not like he had much of a choice unless he was willing to take a butt load less to do so. Fans are dumb.
- MnGump

My memory was that most fans were pissed because Risebrough just let him walk for nothing instead of trading him and getting something in return in the final year of his contract. I feel like the writing was on the wall he would not be a Wild sweater the following year and they didn't even try to shop him at the deadline.

My memory was that most fans were pissed because Risebrough just let him walk for nothing instead of trading him and getting something in return in the final year of his contract. I feel like the writing was on the wall he would not be a Wild sweater the following year and they didn't even try to shop him at the deadline.
- bmgarvert

This is not 100% true. Risebrough didn't exatly let him walk. Now that I looked back a little, I recall going into his last season Risebrough had reportedly offered him a 10 year deal worth $80 million. Gaborik turned it down and subsequently elected to have hip surgery at the beginning of that season keeping him on IR which is part of why he was not traded and why his trade value turned to junk and if I recall further, Risebrough rescinded his original offer because his healthy return was in question.

You're probably right about one thing, the writing was on the wall and maybe Gaborik's true intentions were to leave in the first place being he ultimately settled for less.... although I don't think the deal that Risebrough had offered him would have still been on the table when Fletcher took over.

The funny thing about all of it was that Gaborik and his agent turned down the 10 year $80 million from Minnesota and between NY and LA essentially ended up settling for 12 years $70 million. Although he did win a cup so there's that....

This is not 100% true. Risebrough didn't exatly let him walk. Now that I looked back a little, I recall going into his last season Risebrough had reportedly offered him a 10 year deal worth $80 million. Gaborik turned it down and subsequently elected to have hip surgery at the beginning of that season keeping him on IR which is part of why he was not traded and why his trade value turned to junk and if I recall further, Risebrough rescinded his original offer because his healthy return was in question.

You're probably right about one thing, the writing was on the wall and maybe Gaborik's true intentions were to leave in the first place being he ultimately settled for less.... although I don't think the deal that Risebrough had offered him would have still been on the table when Fletcher took over.

The funny thing about all of it was that Gaborik and his agent turned down the 10 year $80 million from Minnesota and between NY and LA essentially ended up settling for 12 years $70 million. Although he did win a cup so there's that....
- MnGump

Not sure if it's documented, but rumor had it that Gaborik never received an offer from the new/current management.