I think toews was banged up alot this year but if Winnipeg wants him you have to deal him now. Trading Toews and Crawford tvr or a pick for a 1st rd pick kyle connor Jacob trouba and Josh morrissey connor hellybuck you'd have to do it. I would rather keep toews and pray someone takes seabrook and Vegas takes kruger. Stan should of been open handed slapped with those deals. Kane contract is what he should get toews either should of got the money or salary. Three years at 10.5 or 5 years 9mil or 7 years at 7.5 or 8 mil.

I don't think it's that crazy.

Let him wear the A and hopefully find his game.

Teams do it all the time.
- Hank3Henshaw

The absolute least of any Toews issues. He is so grounded. In the coming days, we will hear more of his physical challenges IMO. Toews is one of the best captains in all of major league sports.

Should be an interesting summer JJ! I agree with everything except for Bowman's public praise of prospects. Whether he does, or even intends to, Bowman is simply being a salesman. Here's my sales pitch on a guy who might hold the most trade value of anyone who hasn't been mentioned much here...Ryan Hartman.

"19 goals in his rookie year, team/character guy and a pest that is a cheap player and playoff style of hockey"

does anyone see him as a 25 goals/ year player year in and year out? Not saying I want to trade Hartman, but he was a ghost this playoff and a young 23+ minute defenseman is a need and they aren't cheap....
- EnzoD

He was a rookie, but still a bit shocking to see Hartman become the most invisible forward on the roster for the series.

The "terminology" you're hearing a lot right now is "push-back," "effort," "desire."


We had a player like that Andrew Shaw


- jhawk159

I was just thinking yesterday how much Shaw may have helped as a spark plug. He used to draw a lot of penalties too. Hawks haven't been getting as many PP opportunities and it would be nice to have a guy who goes in with energy moving his feet to draw some more.

I was just thinking yesterday how much Shaw may have helped as a spark plug. He used to draw a lot of penalties too. Hawks haven't been getting as many PP opportunities and it would be nice to have a guy who goes in with energy moving his feet to draw some more.
- breadbag

I used to say live by the Shaw, die by the Shaw.

Pretty sure he played on the same line as Panarin in Arty's last KHL season and they were a lethal duo. How much for his rights NJ?!
- Assman22

I thought Panarin played with Ship, and Dadonov.

What a get out of this is trade Toews, whatever the cost. Salary retained. Whatever. He is paid to lead and his head is too far up his ass to do that anymore. Most definitely mportant player on the Hawks quickly becomes least important with a performance like that.

Injury? Let's hope so for his pride's sake. Let another team figure it out.

The complaining about Toews is laughable. I'm sorry but seriously it is a team game and he is given tough assignments and none of the other star players have been any better in the last two seasons. Not one of them.

Kane - 2 goals and 7 assists 9 points -4
Panarin - 2 goals 6 assists 8 points -2
Toews 1 goal 7 assists 8 points -3
Hossa 3 goals 2 assists 5 points -4
Anisimov 3 goals 0 assists 3 points -1

The Hawks rookies will make progress at forward. There is skill and ability there.

The Hawks need some life on D. That was obvious this year. The giveaways and inability to skate the puck were bad. The forwards couldn't do anything because they are used to being able to gain the offensive zone with the puck on their stick a lot more. If the D can't move the puck effectively, that is a problem.

For the D.
Campbell needs to retire.
Oduya should walk as UFA (He was Dallas #5/6 on D for a reason)
Rozsival is so done. Please Stan don't resign him.

TVR is not perfect, but makes many nice plays that fans ignore. Bigger issues than TVR on the roster for sure.
Seabrook would trade if there is a decent return. He makes nice passes at times, but also turnovers and gets beat with speed.
Kempney should play if he can take the next step in consistency. The mistakes he makes at times are brutal.
Keith may have lost a step with the knee but still the best Hawks D.
Hjalmarsson is what he is. A good #3 with limited offensive ability. I wouldn't pay him more than he is making now. May have to trade him rather than overpay.
Forsling needs to play next year.

The Hawks need to rebuild a bit on D. The Preds made that obvious.

Hey JJ,

After Seabrook signed his deal, I asked what you thought about the salary hit and the term, you said to ask after the season, and here we are. What are your thoughts about that one?

Thanks for all you do and the people you attract on here. I learn a lot every day.

Matt

"Based on what I have seen from Scotty Darling, Im ready to let CC go. CC played fantastic in the playoffs and still has legit trade value. Move him for a 3/4 D. I dont move Panik or Hartman. Both Panik and Hartman are solid big wingers who hit and can finish. Both also skate well. I have heard 7's name mentioned as a possible guy to move, but that contract in combo with what looks like a decline in 7's play will be a bastird to move."



Darling is an UFA, I think he's pretty much decided he's going to test the market and cash in where he thinks it's the best fit for him.

Can't blame he needs to take his payday when he can.

The complaining about Toews is laughable. I'm sorry but seriously it is a team game and he is given tough assignments and none of the other star players have been any better in the last two seasons. Not one of them.

Kane - 2 goals and 7 assists 9 points -4
Panarin - 2 goals 6 assists 8 points -2
Toews 1 goal 7 assists 8 points -3
Hossa 3 goals 2 assists 5 points -4
Anisimov 3 goals 0 assists 3 points -1

The Hawks rookies will make progress at forward. There is skill and ability there.

The Hawks need some life on D. That was obvious this year. The giveaways and inability to skate the puck were bad. The forwards couldn't do anything because they are used to being able to gain the offensive zone with the puck on their stick a lot more. If the D can't move the puck effectively, that is a problem.

For the D.
Campbell needs to retire.
Oduya should walk as UFA (He was Dallas #5/6 on D for a reason)
Rozsival is so done. Please Stan don't resign him.

TVR is not perfect, but makes many nice plays that fans ignore. Bigger issues than TVR on the roster for sure.
Seabrook would trade if there is a decent return. He makes nice passes at times, but also turnovers and gets beat with speed.
Kempney should play if he can take the next step in consistency. The mistakes he makes at times are brutal.
Keith may have lost a step with the knee but still the best Hawks D.
Hjalmarsson is what he is. A good #3 with limited offensive ability. I wouldn't pay him more than he is making now. May have to trade him rather than overpay.
Forsling needs to play next year.

The Hawks need to rebuild a bit on D. The Preds made that obvious.
- breadbag

There have been so many misses on drafting D's. in the meantime, we have to wait to see if Forsling and Kempny are viable. Oh, please don't shoot the messenger here, but they already extended Rozsival for another season at $650K.

Hammer is very important to the scheme here. He has two more seasons after this one. Would be nice if he could play on his natural side and have a 4D that can keep up. If they deal him now, it means 30 minutes a game for Keith and Seabrook. Legit top 4 D is at a premium in this league now. It makes trading Seabrook a real challenge, also, as much as he can drive us nuts at times.

The only obvious trade piece is Kruger, and I don't think it will be easy to trade his salary clean given that he has been hurt this year. Crawford would get value, but there aren't a lot of possible destinations out there. They might have to let Darling walk, as he has to be paid, also. It will be very interesting to see how the goalie situation is handled. I can't quite figure that one out from my armchair here.

JJ from what been hearing and reading Mcdough is giving Q and Bowman one more year to fix this hot mess, just my opinion. Q needs to have more practices so the young players can develop and Bowman needs to get his head out of his ass and realize that size speed and physicality matters so stop drafting and signing smurfs.
So what happens leave seabrook hossa unprotected along with tvr and kruger and hope vegas takes one. Crawford should traded for young mobile skating d men examples hagg trouba morin sanhiem murphy fleury etc.. Sign panic and darling to 2 year contracts and no nmt. explore trading AA and panrin see what maybe the hawks could get. Need some nastiness physical players to forecheck win board battles and cycle in opposing teams offensive zone and top lw to play with towes. Also if toews and keith are injured don t bring them back until they are 100% healthy.

He was a rookie, but still a bit shocking to see Hartman become the most invisible forward on the roster for the series.
- breadbag

He was one of many that vanished. Hartman being a rookie I give him room there. The rest of em? This team needs Carl Weathers. Time for a beach run to find the eye of the tiger..

Man, thanks for enlightening us.

If you made serious dough (doubtful) or had a trust fund (meh, possible), you could put a whole lot of money on Jonathan Toews at 28 years old being finished.

But the FACT is, he had a pretty serious back injury in the WCH and played through it all year—ahh, maybe you didn't see PK laying cross checks on his lower back the whole series. Would've required not being transfixed RyJo.

So, who knows, back's a real tricky thing and he could be done. Or he isn't. And in a year or two, you'll look like a Pred fanboy who got way out over his skis over Ryan Freaking Johansen.

Who knows?
- John Jaeckel

I think Toews turns 29 this week. A back injury could explain his play but being Captain of high performing team in a huge market has elevated his status far beyond his on ice accomplishments. He might improve a bit but you can't expect much more. Hossa, and all your defense core are on the wrong side of 30. Unless you pull a Panarin type find for your D I can't see your team getting much better. Possibly miss playoffs next year?

In reply to VopatsRash,

Your a big stat man, you forgot a few on Toews, How about being the Captain of 3 Stanley Cup teams, 5 Conference Finals, and a Conn Smythe all by the time he was 28 years old. I am not even counting his 2 gold medals in the Olympics. If you think you have heard the last of Mr. Toews guess again. You boy there hasn't done squat and when or if the Redneck Predators ever win anything then talk. Other than that you can take those stats and stick them where the sun don't shine and I don't mean London, England.
- McCOVEY

He has been trolling since his preds destroyed the hawks...Might be Tanner in disguise.

He has been trolling since his preds destroyed the hawks...Might be Tanner in disguise.
- riozzo

With all his trash talk, it's going to be a shame if the Preds don't win the cup this year.

Some things Stan should consider into the off-season...

1. Anisimov must go. Granted he plays well with Panarin and Kane, the lack of faceoff ability and non-existent defense was vital, especially in the Nashville series. I would try anything to trade him. Somewhere like Calgary in which we can get a return of someone like Oliver Kylington, a 19 year old defenseman who hasn't had the chance to to crack the Flames' lineup but could definitely get a chance in Chicago.

2. Get a max return in a trade-and-sign deal for a package of Panik and Pokka. You can easily get a 2nd/3rd/prospect in return, especially from a team like New Jersey, who outside of Palmieri, is lacking at RW. John Quenneville and Nick Lappin as a possible prospect return along with draft picks.

3. Sign Brian Boyle. Someone who has won over 50% of his faceoffs throughout his career and could provide size and grit that is sorely lacking in the forward department. While he isn't a fan favorite, we could pick him up for around 2 million if Anisimov is traded and could slide in as a 3C or 4C.

4. Do everything you can to not let TVR go to Vegas. Which means probably sending Kruger and either a 3rd or 4th rounder to Vegas to suffice that. TVR was probably the best defenseman outside of Keith vs Nashville and he's become pivotal as the season wore on.

5. Break up Kane and Panarin once and for all, sign Shalunov to an ELC and have him play with Panarin while Kane goes back to the right side of Toews. Having Panarin, Kane, and Hossa on three seperate lines i believe is the right way to go.

6. Re-Sign Jurco for 800k or less. He started playing more comfortably and feisty towards the end of the year, he knows the system, can play on the bottom-6 and put up 20-25 points next year.

7. Sign either Keith Kinkaid or Anders Nilsson to 1-mil or less deals to backup Crawford. Darling is gonna want 4-mil and will probably jump ship. He'll be unattainable.

8. Kero moving to 2C on the depth chart. He plays a good possession game with defensive ability. Play only got better as the year went on.

9. DeBrincat starting the year with us, on a line with Hossa. Who better than to play alongside one of the best RW's of all time.

10. Sign Deryk Engelland to a 1-1.5mil deal. Need some more size and a defensive-defenseman on the back end. He's durable and provides toughness thats sorely lacking.

So with that said, lineup heading into next year...

Schmaltz/Toews/Kane
Panarin/Kero/Shalunov
DeBrincat/Boyle/Hossa
Hartman/Hinostroza/Jurco/Hayden/Motte
Tootoo and either Jurco/Hayden/Motte sit.

Keith/TVR
Kylington/Seabrook
Engelland/Hammer
Roszival and Forsling sit

Crow
Nilsson/Kinkaid.

Criticize away.

Depressing watching lesser teams advance.

I think Toews turns 29 this week. A back injury could explain his play but being Captain of high performing team in a huge market has elevated his status far beyond his on ice accomplishments. He might improve a bit but you can't expect much more. Hossa, and all your defense core are on the wrong side of 30. Unless you pull a Panarin type find for your D I can't see your team getting much better. Possibly miss playoffs next year?
- VopatsRash

If the window has closed, so be it, then we'll say it's been a great run, and we've had fun watching it. Don't worry about us, we'll be fine. The sun still rose this morning. Just because some people you run into on these boards are Richards doesn't mean you have to take it out on the rest of us. Go enjoy the next series. I won't hold your trolling against the team, I'd still love to see them beat Anaheim and make sure Corey Perry has a miserable series if they end up playing each other.

With all his trash talk, it's going to be a shame if the Preds don't win the cup this year.
- RedRevenge

They're not that good, no way they win the cup!

Agreed, the Pats are the model of winning isn't everything, its the only thing.

And they are led by a cruel, heartless SOB who will go down as one of the greatest coaches of all time in any sport.

Stanbo making a commitment to everybody being better including himself means nothing, they are just words. His old man was a lot closer to Belichek than he will ever be. Show me Stan!
- RickJ

And there is the detail of being cheaters....

Depressing watching lesser teams advance.
- walleyeb1

you mean you don't anticipate saying the 2017 Stanley Cup Champion Ottawa Senators?

Nobody disputes how great Q is , but without knowing the full extent of the injuries and any internal issues, this series seemingly screams a breakup is needed.
- 333inthe3rd

Ummmm. Have you been reading? A lot of people dispute it here....

Some things Stan should consider into the off-season...

1. Anisimov must go. Granted he plays well with Panarin and Kane, the lack of faceoff ability and non-existent defense was vital, especially in the Nashville series. I would try anything to trade him. Somewhere like Calgary in which we can get a return of someone like Oliver Kylington, a 19 year old defenseman who hasn't had the chance to to crack the Flames' lineup but could definitely get a chance in Chicago.

2. Get a max return in a trade-and-sign deal for a package of Panik and Pokka. You can easily get a 2nd/3rd/prospect in return, especially from a team like New Jersey, who outside of Palmieri, is lacking at RW. John Quenneville and Nick Lappin as a possible prospect return along with draft picks.

3. Sign Brian Boyle. Someone who has won over 50% of his faceoffs throughout his career and could provide size and grit that is sorely lacking in the forward department. While he isn't a fan favorite, we could pick him up for around 2 million if Anisimov is traded and could slide in as a 3C or 4C.

4. Do everything you can to not let TVR go to Vegas. Which means probably sending Kruger and either a 3rd or 4th rounder to Vegas to suffice that. TVR was probably the best defenseman outside of Keith vs Nashville and he's become pivotal as the season wore on.

5. Break up Kane and Panarin once and for all, sign Shalunov to an ELC and have him play with Panarin while Kane goes back to the right side of Toews. Having Panarin, Kane, and Hossa on three seperate lines i believe is the right way to go.

6. Re-Sign Jurco for 800k or less. He started playing more comfortably and feisty towards the end of the year, he knows the system, can play on the bottom-6 and put up 20-25 points next year.

7. Sign either Keith Kinkaid or Anders Nilsson to 1-mil or less deals to backup Crawford. Darling is gonna want 4-mil and will probably jump ship. He'll be unattainable.

8. Kero moving to 2C on the depth chart. He plays a good possession game with defensive ability. Play only got better as the year went on.

9. DeBrincat starting the year with us, on a line with Hossa. Who better than to play alongside one of the best RW's of all time.

10. Sign Deryk Engelland to a 1-1.5mil deal. Need some more size and a defensive-defenseman on the back end. He's durable and provides toughness thats sorely lacking.

So with that said, lineup heading into next year...

Schmaltz/Toews/Kane
Panarin/Kero/Shalunov
DeBrincat/Boyle/Hossa
Hartman/Hinostroza/Jurco/Hayden/Motte
Tootoo and either Jurco/Hayden/Motte sit.

Keith/TVR
Kylington/Seabrook
Engelland/Hammer
Roszival and Forsling sit

Crow
Nilsson/Kinkaid.

Criticize away.
- chitownfan92

Shalunov is not coming to play this year. I read that he does want to play in the Olympics which the NHL/owners will not allow.

Shalunov is not coming to play this year. I read that he does want to play in the Olympics which the NHL/owners will not allow.
- BGKarras

Would be pretty easy for Rocky to make that agreement with him as a condition of his signing.