He always has a source that spews worthless information. I just think he likes hearing himself say "My Source." Frankly since TB has departed the show sucks - and its Not Goff's problem. Oh and the 530 segment, What's On is a horrible time filler to further burn you ears during afternoon drive... Why do I care what any of them are watching. I do expect sports because lets face it, they are sports talk show hosts. So, what does the listener really derive from the segment...
- riozzo

I stopped listening to sports radio. I cant think of one show that is worth it.

I stopped listening to sports radio. I cant think of one show that is worth it.
- SteveRain

Laurence Holmes seems more balanced and will talk hockey without being prodded. I also enjoy his guests as they come in or stay an hour providing more than a quote...

2 conclusions:

1. Bowman is blaming coaching for the Hawks down fall, and he wouldn't be incorrect, but it's not 100% strickly coaching. He also may feel there was more polish on some of these AHL guys that came up or never happened.......like McNeil. However, what AHL hog has gone on to bigger or better things? Cna't think of one.

2. Q told Bowman he wasn't happy with the polish the kids had coming up and in a conceding way boots Dent to get a fresh face in there and help Q with more READY kids when they come up.

Either way....Bowman is on the war path....I would expect/hope a front office guy goes next.....like a McIssac or somebody in Bowman's corner....that may need to come from McEgo, if they can pull away from his podium doing his mock press conferences.........
- SteveRain

wow 1st kitchen and now dent....took less than a week for stanbow to figure out why the hawks got smoked vs the preds...count me impressed...

wow 1st kitchen and now dent....took less than a week for stanbow to figure out why the hawks got smoked vs the preds...count me impressed...

- bogiedoc

Do people really expect Bowman to make player moves while the playoffs are still going on? What do you expect should happen during this time?

Do people really expect Bowman to make player moves while the playoffs are still going on? What do you expect should happen during this time?
- HawksHype

the big monkey wrench is the expansion draft... that will trigger a lot of moves between there and the draft. should be exciting!

Where does Las Vegas pick in the draft?

Do people really expect Bowman to make player moves while the playoffs are still going on? What do you expect should happen during this time?
- HawksHype

Fans to flock to this board and complain that Bowman fired a coach....

Where does Las Vegas pick in the draft?
- jhawk159

No worse than 3

No worse than 3
- riozzo

Thanks I wasn't sure if they got a lottery pick.

wow 1st kitchen and now dent....took less than a week for stanbow to figure out why the hawks got smoked vs the preds...count me impressed...

- bogiedoc

When do you think Stanbo is going to have his performance review with McD?

He better hope the boss isn't well informed enough about his rather wretched overall drafting record or start asking specific questions about why he took Dillon Fournier ahead of Damon Severson or Shane Gostisbehere or Colton Sissions in the 2012 draft. Or how he could justify picking some high school kid Chris Calnan ahead of Colton Parayko or Frederick Anderson or Detroit's Athanasiou.

Maybe that's part of the reason Dent had a hard time developing kids pushing for NHL jobs.

When do you think Stanbo is going to have his performance review with McD?

He better hope the boss isn't well informed enough about his rather wretched overall drafting record or start asking specific questions about why he took Dillon Fournier ahead of Damon Severson or Shane Gostisbehere or Colton Sissions in the 2012 draft. Or how he could justify picking some high school kid Chris Calnan ahead of Colton Parayko or Frederick Anderson or Detroit's Athanasiou.

Maybe that's part of the reason Dent had a hard time developing kids pushing for NHL jobs.
- RickJ

Dare I say bad scouting

Well, this is truly a bit off-topic but if you are a musician (I have a VG, well paying day job but hockey and music are my 2 loves) -- there is a saying about "playing for the song" (or in this case, singing for the song).

The national anthem is NOT ABOUT JIM CORNELISEN.

It's about pride of country, love of country -- or at least it's supposed to be, right?
It is NOT about Jim dragging his ass on the song so that poor Frank Pellico has no idea of what Cornelisen is doing with the actual tempo of the song.

Again, it's not about him -- but that is what over the years it has become.

It's frustrating as hell to watch or listen to it anymore.
In fact, I turn it off or simply put the game on when I'm sure the 1st puck has already dropped as opposed to listening/watching that spectacle.

It is truly an embarrassment to the org-an-I-za-tion!
- savvyone-1

When do you think Stanbo is going to have his performance review with McD?

He better hope the boss isn't well informed enough about his rather wretched overall drafting record or start asking specific questions about why he took Dillon Fournier ahead of Damon Severson or Shane Gostisbehere or Colton Sissions in the 2012 draft. Or how he could justify picking some high school kid Chris Calnan ahead of Colton Parayko or Frederick Anderson or Detroit's Athanasiou.

Maybe that's part of the reason Dent had a hard time developing kids pushing for NHL jobs.
- RickJ

That would be an awful nitpicky way to look at it. You can hand pick successes and failures for every single GM ever in the draft. Took this guy instead of so and so. There are endless examples and it is more about the overall body of work. Hawks have generally done well plugging holes over the years with new players, so I doubt McD will complain about the drafting. The part the Stan probably can work are some of the trades for vets that are part due. Timonen, Scuderi, etc...

You really have to determine how many WERE draft failures, and how many are lack of development once in the system. Yawney should get a lot of credit for developing Keith, Seabrook, Wisniewski and others. Plenty drafted high and have not made significant contributions in the NHL, Clendening, Olsen, LaLonde, Holl, etc. Draft failure or development failure?
- TheTrob

Yawney hasn't done badly with the Ducks group of dmen either. Anaheim is definitely at the top where D are concerned - drafting and developing... And it isn't all about high picks either.

For the Hawks I think you have a serious combination of draft misses, failure to develop at the AHL and NHL levels. On the NHL end - there is no excuse for playing Campbell over Kempny so much in the 2nd half this year when the physical ability is so obviously there. Kitchen's firing was definitely a statement to Q but, if his responsibilities were D and the PK, it was also based on coaching performance over the last 2 seasons.

When do you think Stanbo is going to have his performance review with McD?

He better hope the boss isn't well informed enough about his rather wretched overall drafting record or start asking specific questions about why he took Dillon Fournier ahead of Damon Severson or Shane Gostisbehere or Colton Sissions in the 2012 draft. Or how he could justify picking some high school kid Chris Calnan ahead of Colton Parayko or Frederick Anderson or Detroit's Athanasiou.

Maybe that's part of the reason Dent had a hard time developing kids pushing for NHL jobs.
- RickJ

This. Their draft analysis and strategy needs a revamp.

Also, why was Bowman not requiring performance based picks when he unloaded a player like Daley?

Even the Saad trade was a train wreck. All the contracts he took on in the minors and he couldn't squeeze Jarmo for their 2nd first rounder or another pick in the deep 2016 draft? They claim to be all about accumulating quantities of picks. Good strategy - as long as all the extras aren't 4th thru 7th rounders.

When do you think Stanbo is going to have his performance review with McD?

He better hope the boss isn't well informed enough about his rather wretched overall drafting record or start asking specific questions about why he took Dillon Fournier ahead of Damon Severson or Shane Gostisbehere or Colton Sissions in the 2012 draft. Or how he could justify picking some high school kid Chris Calnan ahead of Colton Parayko or Frederick Anderson or Detroit's Athanasiou.

Maybe that's part of the reason Dent had a hard time developing kids pushing for NHL jobs.
- RickJ

Legit question.
I don't think Stan goes anywhere until McD falls out of love with Scotty.

Laz talked to McD:

http://chicago.suntimes.c...-we-were-steamrolled/amp/

That would be an awful nitpicky way to look at it. You can hand pick successes and failures for every single GM ever in the draft. Took this guy instead of so and so. There are endless examples and it is more about the overall body of work. Hawks have generally done well plugging holes over the years with new players, so I doubt McD will complain about the drafting. The part the Stan probably can work are some of the trades for vets that are part due. Timonen, Scuderi, etc...
- breadbag

That "generally done well" performance appeared to end in 2015 from a drafting perspective.... Earlier than that for defensemen. Leddy was a solid acquisition but the drafting just has not been there on that end for years.... and the development has really regressed the last few years when it really should have been pumped up. Maybe that was the point Dent was making?

That would be an awful nitpicky way to look at it. You can hand pick successes and failures for every single GM ever in the draft. Took this guy instead of so and so. There are endless examples and it is more about the overall body of work. Hawks have generally done well plugging holes over the years with new players, so I doubt McD will complain about the drafting. The part the Stan probably can work are some of the trades for vets that are part due. Timonen, Scuderi, etc...
- breadbag

Nitpicky or not, General Managers are evaluated on their overall body of work, including where and who they draft and whether enough of them make it make it to the NHL. If McD is looking for scapegoats, he"ll nitpick.

And if you don't think I'm right, look what happened to Chiarelli in Boston or Murray in Buffalo or Ray Shero in Pittsburgh. Some guys have amazing escapeability and some get axed for things that may not be their fault.

I think Andrew Shaw would like to disagree with you.......or doesn't a guy passed in multiple drafts, drafted late not count?

I'm sure Eli knows many others.........
- SteveRain

Oh, we're giving Ted dent credit for developing Andrew Shaw for his whole 38 games played in Rockford? I would argue Shaw made himself ready and seized the opportunity when called up and never looked back. Shaw also wasn't some 18 year old when he was called up either that he needed to physically mature still

Odd to find a guy who gets slammed as being too much a pass first guy, then get slammed as a 'me first guy', and then see how the rest of the team treats the guy on the ice ... yeh I am going to call bovine fecal matter on that one.

72 isn't the problem, and wasn't the problem.

Just posting this to not be a part of group think.

Odd to find a guy who gets slammed as being too much a pass first guy, then get slammed as a 'me first guy', and then see how the rest of the team treats the guy on the ice ... yeh I am going to call bovine fecal matter on that one.

72 isn't the problem, and wasn't the problem.

Just posting this to not be a part of group think.
- steve-hist-sdc

Starts and ends with the leadership group getting the entire team ready to play and compete. The 25 yr old 2nd year player that barely speaks English is very unlikely to be a locker room leader. 19, 2, 7, 88, and Q should bare the brunt of the blame for the embarrassment of that series.

Laurence Holmes seems more balanced and will talk hockey without being prodded. I also enjoy his guests as they come in or stay an hour providing more than a quote...
- riozzo

I agree - Lawrence Holmes is the only guy I like on 670. Some of the other guys I'll listen to if they're talking about something I care about, except for Bernstein who I avoid like the plague.

Where does Las Vegas pick in the draft?
- jhawk159

In Chicago just like every other team

McDonough is meddling=talon leaving. other gms not sure WHO is making decisions on trades.....
I
nter office turmoil/bowman and q at odds=did you read the articles from media members yesterday alluding to this dating back to 2012 when Smith was brought in?

sky is falling=cap hell....yet again. Or did you enjoy back to back 1st round exits.

So what part is stupid?

Reading is a skill chief.
- SteveRain

I refer to the George Carlin quote I posted earlier. No point in arguing, it's pointless.