"For Olli Juolevi, today is an especially good day. His chances of making the Canucks' main roster next season have just increased dramatically"

yay.....?
- Whiskey-Tango

Was hoping not

Oilers plan!

Probably because he was never that committed to the NHL, when you have to negotiate an out clause to the KHL instead of the AHL when the AHL would be a better developmental league for him and give him the opportunity to play the 20+ minutes a night he's looking for, that says something. He came into camp out of shape and expected to be playing top minutes when he wasn't better than who we had set in the top 4 at the start of the season. He refused to waive for a conditioning stint and rightly sat out a bunch of games while he worked on his weight/conditioning.

My whole thought on this is that we had someone who felt extremely entitled, even though he was only a 3rd round pick, always had his eye on the KHL and the Canucks were forced to cater to him in order to bring him over. He played a year, didn't like the coaches and the lifestyle, didn't know the language, is Russian and has all his family there and would make a ton of money in the KHL that he never would in the NHL (unless he was a superstar in the making) and chose to bolt for those reasons. Tryamkin is no loss, if he was truly committed to being an NHL player and potential core player he'd never have had that out clause in his contract, nor would he have come to camp so out of shape. It's a shame, but we have his rights for several years, and there's always a chance he comes back.
- DariusKnight

Good summary

Probably because he was never that committed to the NHL, when you have to negotiate an out clause to the KHL instead of the AHL when the AHL would be a better developmental league for him and give him the opportunity to play the 20+ minutes a night he's looking for, that says something. He came into camp out of shape and expected to be playing top minutes when he wasn't better than who we had set in the top 4 at the start of the season. He refused to waive for a conditioning stint and rightly sat out a bunch of games while he worked on his weight/conditioning.

My whole thought on this is that we had someone who felt extremely entitled, even though he was only a 3rd round pick, always had his eye on the KHL and the Canucks were forced to cater to him in order to bring him over. He played a year, didn't like the coaches and the lifestyle, didn't know the language, is Russian and has all his family there and would make a ton of money in the KHL that he never would in the NHL (unless he was a superstar in the making) and chose to bolt for those reasons. Tryamkin is no loss, if he was truly committed to being an NHL player and potential core player he'd never have had that out clause in his contract, nor would he have come to camp so out of shape. It's a shame, but we have his rights for several years, and there's always a chance he comes back.
- DariusKnight

Start by not reading it.
- A_SteamingLombardi

Probably because he was never that committed to the NHL, when you have to negotiate an out clause to the KHL instead of the AHL when the AHL would be a better developmental league for him and give him the opportunity to play the 20+ minutes a night he's looking for, that says something. He came into camp out of shape and expected to be playing top minutes when he wasn't better than who we had set in the top 4 at the start of the season. He refused to waive for a conditioning stint and rightly sat out a bunch of games while he worked on his weight/conditioning.

My whole thought on this is that we had someone who felt extremely entitled, even though he was only a 3rd round pick, always had his eye on the KHL and the Canucks were forced to cater to him in order to bring him over. He played a year, didn't like the coaches and the lifestyle, didn't know the language, is Russian and has all his family there and would make a ton of money in the KHL that he never would in the NHL (unless he was a superstar in the making) and chose to bolt for those reasons. Tryamkin is no loss, if he was truly committed to being an NHL player and potential core player he'd never have had that out clause in his contract, nor would he have come to camp so out of shape. It's a shame, but we have his rights for several years, and there's always a chance he comes back.
- DariusKnight

Good words here.

I think you are missing not just the point but the reason we discuss things here.

I pointed some angles to this given logical deductions. I didn't read in any feelings you get over something not said. Maybe you got feelings you need to cut out.

In the meantime, issues remain. How was this handled? What needs to be done? He's a special talent and if thought as core you need plan for that.

We'll see if there is a reset later. In 2014 this kid showed up the draft. He wanted to play in the NHL. Something went wrong here with the Nucks. Plain and simple.

The Nucks have a big hole to figure out. Like who is the next candidate to be top pairing? The longer that question looms. Then the more Edler and Tanev stay instead of turned into rebuild assets.
- Nuck4U

I think I will stop this conversation here, we aren't going to see eye to eye on this.

I think you are missing not just the point but the reason we discuss things here.

I pointed some angles to this given logical deductions. I didn't read in any feelings you get over something not said. Maybe you got feelings you need to cut out.

In the meantime, issues remain. How was this handled? What needs to be done? He's a special talent and if thought as core you need plan for that.

We'll see if there is a reset later. In 2014 this kid showed up the draft. He wanted to play in the NHL. Something went wrong here with the Nucks. Plain and simple.

The Nucks have a big hole to figure out. Like who is the next candidate to be top pairing? The longer that question looms. Then the more Edler and Tanev stay instead of turned into rebuild assets.
- Nuck4U

- some people discuss some people babble
- What???
- no he didn't, he went home after 1 yr
- who says he was a top line talent?

- some people discuss some people babble
- What???
- no he didn't, he went home after 1 yr
- who says he was a top line talent?
- Kaynine

Probably because he was never that committed to the NHL, when you have to negotiate an out clause to the KHL instead of the AHL when the AHL would be a better developmental league for him and give him the opportunity to play the 20+ minutes a night he's looking for, that says something. He came into camp out of shape and expected to be playing top minutes when he wasn't better than who we had set in the top 4 at the start of the season. He refused to waive for a conditioning stint and rightly sat out a bunch of games while he worked on his weight/conditioning.

My whole thought on this is that we had someone who felt extremely entitled, even though he was only a 3rd round pick, always had his eye on the KHL and the Canucks were forced to cater to him in order to bring him over. He played a year, didn't like the coaches and the lifestyle, didn't know the language, is Russian and has all his family there and would make a ton of money in the KHL that he never would in the NHL (unless he was a superstar in the making) and chose to bolt for those reasons. Tryamkin is no loss, if he was truly committed to being an NHL player and potential core player he'd never have had that out clause in his contract, nor would he have come to camp so out of shape. It's a shame, but we have his rights for several years, and there's always a chance he comes back.
- DariusKnight

Well said!

don't know if this was touched on in the tail end of the last thread, with Bylsma being fired in Buffalo, Should Van consider him as well as a candidate for Coach?
- GloveHandStrong

Have you been banned before?

Personally, I never understood the love people had for him, to me he was a marginal NHL defenseman of which we had in abundance and were it not for the fact that he had that clause in his contract, he'd be in the AHL like Virtanen all season. We can handle the loss of Tryamkin, and replace him with a vet on a 1-year contract. 6/7/8 D are a dime a dozen these days. Not to mention we have holes up front that need to be addressed long before we worry about the D which with Hutton and Stecher and Juolevi is fine for a couple of years.

And I was just making up the seating arrangements for the picnic, and thought, how nice they're getting along, I should have them seated beside each other..
- Makita

I don't understand how people can blame management for Tree's decision to leave. Wasn't it management that convinced him and gave him what he wanted to get him over here? Sure sounds like they did their best to make this work. This guy just didn't want to play in the NHL and I don't see him coming back, why would he?

I don't understand how people can blame management for Tree's decision to leave. Wasn't it management that convinced him and gave him what he wanted to get him over here? Sure sounds like they did their best to make this work. This guy just didn't want to play in the NHL and I don't see him coming back, why would he?
- Kaynine

keep using common sense and you won't be invited to the picnic

Have you been banned before?
- Marwood

not yet

haven't watched any Buffalo games this year so i have no clue how good/ bad he is, all i know is that he is another coach on the market.

Wideman being sued for 10.5 million by the ref.

Personally, I never understood the love people had for him, to me he was a marginal NHL defenseman of which we had in abundance and were it not for the fact that he had that clause in his contract, he'd be in the AHL like Virtanen all season. We can handle the loss of Tryamkin, and replace him with a vet on a 1-year contract. 6/7/8 D are a dime a dozen these days. Not to mention we have holes up front that need to be addressed long before we worry about the D which with Hutton and Stecher and Juolevi is fine for a couple of years.
- DariusKnight

...because as life long Canuck fans all we have to cheer for is 'potential'.

I don't understand how people can blame management for Tree's decision to leave. Wasn't it management that convinced him and gave him what he wanted to get him over here? Sure sounds like they did their best to make this work. This guy just didn't want to play in the NHL and I don't see him coming back, why would he?
- Kaynine

He can't unless he wants to come back here, we hold his rights until UFA, and can always trade them a couple of years down the road if Juolevi develops into that top 2 D-man we hope he does and get something for him and let another team try and entice him over. Again, no big loss, it was a gamble and it didn't work out.

Personally, I never understood the love people had for him, to me he was a marginal NHL defenseman of which we had in abundance and were it not for the fact that he had that clause in his contract, he'd be in the AHL like Virtanen all season. We can handle the loss of Tryamkin, and replace him with a vet on a 1-year contract. 6/7/8 D are a dime a dozen these days. Not to mention we have holes up front that need to be addressed long before we worry about the D which with Hutton and Stecher and Juolevi is fine for a couple of years.
- DariusKnight

Two words Size & Skating

...because as life long Canuck fans all we have to cheer for is 'potential'.
- Marwood

you sure are a greedy poster...isn't Rodin enough for you?

Personally, I never understood the love people had for him, to me he was a marginal NHL defenseman of which we had in abundance and were it not for the fact that he had that clause in his contract, he'd be in the AHL like Virtanen all season. We can handle the loss of Tryamkin, and replace him with a vet on a 1-year contract. 6/7/8 D are a dime a dozen these days. Not to mention we have holes up front that need to be addressed long before we worry about the D which with Hutton and Stecher and Juolevi is fine for a couple of years.
- DariusKnight

He has a lot of potential but if hes not a team first guy frank him, I liked his play for a rookie but see ya.

...because as life long Canuck fans all we have to cheer for is 'potential'.
- Marwood

I guess I must be more pragmatic, I never saw him much more as a stopgap in the top 4 but more likely a 6/7/8D like we have a ton of. Other than his size, there wasn't anything that really made him stand out from the rest. Hell, Biega is almost a foot and a half shorter and played more like someone who thought every minutes of ice time he had was going to be his last.

Two words Size & Skating
- GloveHandStrong

I never saw his skating being that much better than anyone else. Other than his size he wasn't that much different from say Sbisa or Guddy. When Biega is outplaying you physically and determination-wise, you have a problem.

keep using common sense and you won't be invited to the picnic
- CanuckDon

My .02

Didn't know about Tryamkin when he was drafted.
Was pleased that he came over here and eventually played.
Was really stoked on his potential, although i had thought he'd lost some mojo towards the end of the season.

Bummed that he has decided to return to KHL and I see this as a fairly big blow for a rebuilding team.

I don't blame management, or the Sedin's or Tree.

He made a decision to return home.
He's a kid that doesn't speak the language and is homesick.

Hopefully he agrees to return after the Olympics and hopefully we're in a better place to use his talents.

Gudbranson just became a lot more valuable all of a sudden!
And OJ just jumped up the pecking order.

onwards and upwards.