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As_I_See_It
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 02.28.2011

Apr 20 @ 1:35 AM ET
Bishop is too big a risk. I don't think he's much of an upgrade and he's going to want way to much money. Flames shouldn't be in a bidding war for a 31 year old injury prone goalie coming off a down year.

Fleury? I'm guessing you missed the Penguins last couple games. How is that any better than what Elliott?

The Flames have some amazing goalie prospects that are going to be needing NHL time soon. I wouldn't be giving up assets to take a risk on a young backup goalie who's done well on an elite team.

Elliott is still probably the best option.

- Hunkulese


It worked for Edmonton with Talbot, Jones in San Jose and to lesser extent though not some much a "back-up," it worked for Toronto as well with Andersen. You could even make cases for Schneider in NJ, Bob in Columbus or even Dubnyk.
Hunkulese
Calgary Flames
Location: QC
Joined: 09.30.2006

Apr 20 @ 1:36 AM ET
Fleury has won in The playoffs. Since you made the argument and all.
Bishops been a huge partner of consecutive deep runs (Eastern and cup finals)

- HB77


Fleury has won the the playoffs because he plays one a team with Crosby and Malkin. They almost won that first cup in spite of Fleury. Elliott made the conference finals last year.
tincup
Calgary Flames
Location: AB
Joined: 07.21.2006

Apr 20 @ 1:37 AM ET
Watch the last two Penguins games and tell me that's the goalie you think the Flames can win in the playoffs with. Elliott also had better numbers than both of them this year.
- Hunkulese


I didn't watch the last two Penguin games but I have seen MAF plenty of times and he looks miles better than Elliott. No way Elliott is back after that meltdown.
HB77
Edmonton Oilers
Location: PC is a genius for drafting mcdavid
Joined: 02.20.2007

Apr 20 @ 1:37 AM ET
So why should the Flames be paying them when they have Gilles, Rittich, and Parsons in the system?
- Hunkulese

Cause those guy haven't proven they're NHL quality


I mean I won't argue the economics of the flames super tight for cash. But I think it's reasonably clear their a solid team and tending is one of their weak spots

Depending on one of those u mentioned to step in and be the piece that gets an upcoming team to the next level is abit of a gamble I'd say
Hunkulese
Calgary Flames
Location: QC
Joined: 09.30.2006

Apr 20 @ 1:42 AM ET
Cause those guy haven't proven they're NHL quality


I mean I won't argue the economics of the flames super tight for cash. But I think it's reasonably clear their a solid team and tending is one of their weak spots

Depending on one of those u mentioned to step in and be the piece that gets an upcoming team to the next step is abit of a gamble I'd say

- HB77


Blaming Elliott for everything is an overreaction to a couple bad games. Does Columbus have a weak spot in goal because Bobrovsky has had a bad series. Is Rinne all of a sudden back to being an amazing elite goalie. The Flames made the playoffs this year based on solid goaltending and Elliott is a solid number one goalie.

The Flames easily could have won the first two games with Elliott playing the exact same way (he was phenomenal in game one) and no one would be complaining.
HB77
Edmonton Oilers
Location: PC is a genius for drafting mcdavid
Joined: 02.20.2007

Apr 20 @ 1:43 AM ET
Fleury has won the the playoffs because he plays one a team with Crosby and Malkin. They almost won that first cup in spite of Fleury. Elliott made the conference finals last year.
- Hunkulese

Revisionist history here

Fleury was absolutely not mediocre in their first cup run.
You either didn't watch or are hoping I didn't


Anyways, i ain't gonna argue too much.
If you don't think tending is an issue and that Elliot is comparable to those two- I guess we'll have to agree to strongly disagree
Redmile247
Calgary Flames
Joined: 03.17.2013

Apr 20 @ 1:44 AM ET
So why should the Flames be paying them when they have Gilles, Rittich, and Parsons in the system?
- Hunkulese


I don't think either are ready
DeflatedPucks
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: NYC, NY
Joined: 04.29.2016

Apr 20 @ 1:45 AM ET
Watch the last two Penguins games and tell me that's the goalie you think the Flames can win in the playoffs with. Elliott also had better numbers than both of them this year.
- Hunkulese


Pens defense is currently a dumpster fire - he's been hung out to dry. Yesterday's loss shouldn't be put on him. He's still outplayed his counterpart, Bobrovsky, through large parts of this series.

Go get him.
Hunkulese
Calgary Flames
Location: QC
Joined: 09.30.2006

Apr 20 @ 1:48 AM ET
Revisionist history here

Fleury was absolutely not mediocre in their first cup run.
You either didn't watch or are hoping I didn't


Anyways, i ain't gonna argue too much.
If you don't think tending is an issue and that Elliot is comparable to those two- I guess we'll have to agree to strongly disagree

- HB77


He really wasn't. He was great in 2008, not so much in 2009. He was up and down the entire run and has been every since.
HB77
Edmonton Oilers
Location: PC is a genius for drafting mcdavid
Joined: 02.20.2007

Apr 20 @ 1:49 AM ET
Blaming Elliott for everything is an overreaction to a couple bad games. Does Columbus have a weak spot in goal because Bobrovsky has had a bad series. Is Rinne all of a sudden back to being an amazing elite goalie. The Flames made the playoffs this year based on solid goaltending and Elliott is a solid number one goalie.

The Flames easily could have won the first two games with Elliott playing the exact same way (he was phenomenal in game one) and no one would be complaining.

- Hunkulese

ELliots season and bobs season shouldn't be discussed in comparable terms

One might be a hart finalist, the other lost his starting job to chad johnson for a time.

In fact, had johnson not come in and saved a drowning team behind Elliot's weak start, there may have been no quality final third of the season for Elliot to play better

You watched him more than me, so I'll defer I guess.
End of the day, as a fan of a rival team I hope u stick with elliot instead of signing bishop. Or even fleury
HB77
Edmonton Oilers
Location: PC is a genius for drafting mcdavid
Joined: 02.20.2007

Apr 20 @ 1:50 AM ET
Pens defense is currently a dumpster fire - he's been hung out to dry. Yesterday's loss shouldn't be put on him. He's still outplayed his counterpart, Bobrovsky, through large parts of this series.

Go get him.

- DeflatedPucks

GAmes 1 and 2 he was brilliant

Redmile247
Calgary Flames
Joined: 03.17.2013

Apr 20 @ 1:50 AM ET
Cause those guy haven't proven they're NHL quality


I mean I won't argue the economics of the flames super tight for cash. But I think it's reasonably clear their a solid team and tending is one of their weak spots

Depending on one of those u mentioned to step in and be the piece that gets an upcoming team to the next level is abit of a gamble I'd say

- HB77


give Bishop a long term deal at a reasonable cap hit ...give him a year extra if need be ...then buy him out when the next contract ends in 2019 if one of the kids are ready ...not my money
flashfire
Joined: 10.02.2006

Apr 20 @ 1:54 AM ET
they lost 4 one goal games (one EN) and Elliott had a save% in the mid .800s

Switch goalies and the Flames are up 3-1 in the series

don't blame it all on him? okay but like 90% was on the goal tending
flashfire
Joined: 10.02.2006

Apr 20 @ 1:58 AM ET
if anyone thinks the Flames are giving up a 3rd rounder to the Blues to sign Elliott you are nucking futs

he is DONE in Calgary
HB77
Edmonton Oilers
Location: PC is a genius for drafting mcdavid
Joined: 02.20.2007

Apr 20 @ 3:08 AM ET
It's not like I can't see the save money/placeholder pov.


But that line of thinking is 2 fold-
It's the kind of strategy that assumes you're a few years from taking that next step. which you ain't.
So with that said, you're then sure one of those kids in the system is gonna be the man in the very near future. Which you ain't

Unless you're totally cash strapped (which you ain't) upgrading in goal is a must.

BUT again, I hope u guys don't

InSutterWeTrust
Calgary Flames
Location: AB
Joined: 08.09.2010

Apr 20 @ 5:21 AM ET
Bernier's a UFA come July 1. 28 years old and might be ready to tackle a #1 role again. Have Gillies back him up and see what he's got at the NHL level.

McSavioursPupil
Montreal Canadiens
Location: If this team hasnt won a cup in the next 5 years hes a massive failure. iggy, NF
Joined: 12.11.2015

Apr 20 @ 6:10 AM ET
You guys had a simple mission.

Beat the Ducks to set up a BoA encounter, or at least make it a hard, long series to wear them out. Failed on both accounts. For shame.
gtrman09
Anaheim Ducks
Location: Irvine, CA
Joined: 07.16.2009

Apr 20 @ 7:14 AM ET
You guys had a simple mission.

Beat the Ducks to set up a BoA encounter, or at least make it a hard, long series to wear them out. Failed on both accounts. For shame.

- McSavioursPupil

They took plenty of dirty runs in the first 3 games before their spirit was broken and during the home-and-home at the end of the season. Ducks are plenty banged up thanks to these (frank)ers.
gtrman09
Anaheim Ducks
Location: Irvine, CA
Joined: 07.16.2009

Apr 20 @ 7:15 AM ET
Bernier's a UFA come July 1. 28 years old and might be ready to tackle a #1 role again. Have Gillies back him up and see what he's got at the NHL level.
- InSutterWeTrust

Poor Bernier, they'll kill his career just like Hiller
SensFan25
Ottawa Senators
Location: ON
Joined: 08.24.2006

Apr 20 @ 8:03 AM ET
No way Elliott is back after that meltdown.
- tincup

Agreed. No way you can re-sign Elliott. The guy is simply not good enough to win with and does not hold up well under pressure.
The Flames were good enough to have a shot at beating Anaheim if they had great goaltending.
all-pgh
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: PA
Joined: 05.14.2014

Apr 20 @ 9:03 AM ET
Watch the last two Penguins games and tell me that's the goalie you think the Flames can win in the playoffs with. Elliott also had better numbers than both of them this year.
- Hunkulese
Watch the first two games where he only gave up two goals on 70 shots. The Pens have played a lot of games this year with little more than an AHL defense. I'm not saying MAF is the greatest goalie but he is better than Elliott that's for sure.
tincup
Calgary Flames
Location: AB
Joined: 07.21.2006

Apr 20 @ 9:57 AM ET
Agreed. No way you can re-sign Elliott. The guy is simply not good enough to win with and does not hold up well under pressure.
The Flames were good enough to have a shot at beating Anaheim if they had great goaltending.

- SensFan25


No question there's added pressure playing in a CDN market and Elliott looked rattled under the pressure. Not sure where he plays next season but i'm guessing it will be south of the border.
Ol_Boy_Wop
Calgary Flames
Joined: 08.24.2011

Apr 20 @ 10:34 AM ET
Bernier's a UFA come July 1. 28 years old and might be ready to tackle a #1 role again. Have Gillies back him up and see what he's got at the NHL level.
- InSutterWeTrust

Whiskey-Tango
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Classification: Bipolar-Tanker, QC
Joined: 12.10.2011

Apr 20 @ 10:44 AM ET
Y'all should sign Miller.
He demonstrated this season that he's still got alot left in the tank and could potentially be one of the cheaper, high quality options this free-agency.
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