Jays talking rebuild 12 games into the season.

Jays talking rebuild 12 games into the season.
- golfingsince

(frank) the Jays

Jays talking rebuild 12 games into the season.
- golfingsince

I'll repeat.
Cleveland with Shapiro, suck. Without Shapiro, finals.

Jays with AA on the way up. Jays with Shapiro talking rebuild.

(frank) the Jays
- LeftCoaster

God it happens fast.

They're saying if they don't start winning and quick they'll probably be trading guys starting in June.

I'll repeat.
Cleveland with Shapiro, suck. Without Shapiro, finals.

Jays with AA on the way up. Jays with Shapiro talking rebuild.


- manvanfan

I hear ya but the team is old. Rebuilding isn't a bad thing to do as they still have a pile of good young prospects even after AA traded a bunch.

They're halfway there already.

edit: only 3 in the top 100

(frank) the Jays
- LeftCoaster

All day & every day.

Likely not very good.

The thing is however, If this guy joined the franchise he would undoubtedly be the smartest guy in the room. Perhaps he could convince or manipulate management & ownership into seeing the light.
- Whiskey-Tango

If he can be 100% successful 100% of the time than the time is right to hire him.

But everybody knows that that's impossible..... right!

Wow Liljegren is playing as a 4th rounder right now.

I am really glad i've watched the Sweden- USA game. If Van picks at 3 and take Liljegren. I will be a jets fan.

God it happens fast.

They're saying if they don't start winning and quick they'll probably be trading guys starting in June.
- golfingsince

Its nuts with how many games they play that an early hole can kill an entire season. Glad the Mariners pulled out of their funk

I hear ya but the team is old. Rebuilding isn't a bad thing to do as they still have a pile of good young prospects even after AA traded a bunch.

They're halfway there already.

edit: only 3 in the top 100
- golfingsince

That will get better when they trade everyone this year. Everyone should be traded. Best part is that i've wanted John Gibbons gone for a while now. They just extended him.

Just as a side note, tanking is useless if you can't develop prospects properly. Something that's yet to be witnessed under this regime.

I know people will point to Horvat but I think his internal drive and maturity is the main driver of his development or progression. Guys like Baertschi and Granlund were simply just given a chance to play.
- LeftCoaster

How can you dismiss the role Green and WIllie had in their development? development is important for sure but we generally have terrible prospects. No franchise could develop Jensen, White or Shroeder.

God it happens fast.

They're saying if they don't start winning and quick they'll probably be trading guys starting in June.
- golfingsince

Scooby must be having an embolism right now.

After Elliott tweeted out the Canuck interest in Kreuger, several of the first responses were "noooooo we want Green or Crawford!!!!"

Updated info for the story on his feed now:

Good morning. Reached out to Ralph Krueger for a comment on VAN interest. By email, he replied, "I have had some interesting chats...

— Elliotte Friedman (@FriedgeHNIC) April 18, 2017

these past weeks, but my focus remains fully on the Saints for now." So there you go.

— Elliotte Friedman (@FriedgeHNIC) April 18, 2017

- WhiteLie

If we hire Crawford I'll snap. I'll truly go off the deep end. I'll fire fans and players I don't like out of my cannon without a moments hesitation

How can you dismiss the role Green and WIllie had in their development? development is important for sure but we generally have terrible prospects. No franchise could develop Jensen, White or Shroeder.
- CanuckDon

Hutton and Tanev developed playing in the NCAA. Same with Boeser. The game may not be as good as the AHL but I think the NCAA allows more growth then the CHL does.

Finland playing Canada. Glad I recording it. Forgot it was on. Sweden playing USA at the same time. Get to see Liljegren play against the best team in the tournament.
- manvanfan

Is USA the best team? I though it was Finland?

Jays talking rebuild 12 games into the season.
- golfingsince

STFUG

How can you dismiss the role Green and WIllie had in their development? development is important for sure but we generally have terrible prospects. No franchise could develop Jensen, White or Shroeder.
- CanuckDon

I don't know. Hansen had no business becoming an NHLer. Odds were totally stacked against him. I think he was developed into a full time player. Same with Burrows. Kesler always had great potential but the canucks turned him into a star player. To a certain extent Edler can be put in that category as well.

I actually think the canucks have done a decent job developing some players. but you are right, the general level of prospect talent is low.

Wow Liljegren is playing as a 4th rounder right now.

I am really glad i've watched the Sweden- USA game. If Van picks at 3 and take Liljegren. I will be a jets fan.
- manvanfan

been saying he is garbage since the fall. finally others are noticing

How can you dismiss the role Green and WIllie had in their development? development is important for sure but we generally have terrible prospects. No franchise could develop Jensen, White or Shroeder.
- CanuckDon

I'm not dismissing it entirely, I'm just saying they were given chances from Willie without his usual "earn it" mantra. For whatever reason. Baertschi, as an example, was given patience and ice-time while others weren't.

Hutton and Tanev developed playing in the NCAA. Same with Boeser. The game may not be as good as the AHL but I think the NCAA allows more growth then the CHL does.
- manvanfan

Tanev played three years in the AHL, he was developed as a pro there. Hutton was rushed to the NHL because he was drafted by a poopty team, he should've spent a couple years getting better in the AHL like Tanev did.

I don't know. Hansen had no business becoming an NHLer. Odds were totally stacked against him. I think he was developed into a full time player. Same with Burrows. Kesler always had great potential but the canucks turned him into a star player. To a certain extent Edler can be put in that category as well.

I actually think the canucks have done a decent job developing some players. but you are right, the general level of prospect talent is low.
- bloatedmosquito

I agree...in general (Virtanen and MCcan excluded) the organization has probably done a decent job with their prospects. They are sometimes patient to a fault. It's our scouting that has been the worst in the league over the last 15 years.

I don't know. Hansen had no business becoming an NHLer. Odds were totally stacked against him. I think he was developed into a full time player. Same with Burrows. Kesler always had great potential but the canucks turned him into a star player. To a certain extent Edler can be put in that category as well.

I actually think the canucks have done a decent job developing some players. but you are right, the general level of prospect talent is low.
- bloatedmosquito

The Canucks did a great job, under previous management, developing the team that went to the finals. Benning is not following the same path though, therein lies my annoyance with him.

Is USA the best team? I though it was Finland?
- CanuckDon

I believe the USA team is pretty much their development team. With a couple add on's. USA has won it 9 times since '99. Finland did win it last season.


Canada, Russia, Finland each won it 3 times.

I'm not dismissing it entirely, I'm just saying they were given chances from Willie without his usual "earn it" mantra. For whatever reason. Baertschi, as an example, was given patience and ice-time while others weren't.
- LeftCoaster

To some extent Bae "earned it" playing under Green. He came in with a great attitude after the trade and dominated with Utica. He just needed his feelings mended after being attacked by Burke (what a moron).

The Canucks did a great job, under previous management, developing the team that went to the finals. Benning is not following the same path though, therein lies my annoyance with him.
- LeftCoaster

......it's also a product having a terrible team Lefty. When we had a stacked roster prospects had no where to play but the AHL.