List of players I would trade Provy for:
McDavid
- Mordecai

Way too early for a trade like that anyway. Can't do it until the rest of the d-corps is established.

I wasn't inferring that it was their only skill. I think you'll find Morin has tremendous skating ability when he has to turn it on and close.

I have high hopes for all of our D prospects. That's the only reason I'd consider trading Provorov for a number one center.
- mayorofangrytown

I have high hopes for them all except morin. He has a 3rd pairing ceiling imo

I think you're right. I get a sense of confidence this off season when it comes to the young guys on the blue line. It's not a mistake they gave Haag and Morin a look around the NHL at the end of the season.
- mayorofangrytown

That's the sense I get. Hextall has said he'd never bring someone up unless they were ready and now he's left 2 spots open on the D roster and has publicly said he isn't looking at veterans. If everything he's said since he got here adds up we'll see 2 or 3 new to the full season roster kid Dmen next season. The third kid will send AMac or Manning to Lehigh to be recalled if one struggles.

I have high hopes for them all except morin. He has a 3rd pairing ceiling imo
- Just5

I'll take a third pair of Ghost/Morin

I have high hopes for them all except morin. He has a 3rd pairing ceiling imo
- Just5

Ceiling!?

Ceiling!?
- PhillySportsGuy

He's a lot like Luke schenn for me. A little different on the tools. But all in all 3rd pairing defensive dman.

I have high hopes for them all except morin. He has a 3rd pairing ceiling imo
- Just5

I'd have to disagree. I understand we're talking architecture here but I think 3rd pairing is his floor.

He has foot speed, size and reach. He may not put up the numbers the other D prospects might bring but he's going to punish people and keep pucks out of our end. I can get behind the hesitation he's going to bring to forwards crossing our blue line. I'm hopeful he'll be one of my favourite players very quickly.

I'd have to disagree. I understand we're talking architecture here but I think 3rd pairing is his floor.

He has foot speed, size and reach. He may not put up the numbers the other D prospects might bring but he's going to punish people and keep pucks out of our end. I can get behind the hesitation he's going to bring to forwards crossing our blue line. I'm hopeful he'll be one of my favourite players very quickly.
- mayorofangrytown

I agree with this. I think he'll provide good support paired with a guy like Ghost or Sanheim.

I'd have to disagree. I understand we're talking architecture here but I think 3rd pairing is his floor.

He has foot speed, size and reach. He may not put up the numbers the other D prospects might bring but he's going to punish people and keep pucks out of our end. I can get behind the hesitation he's going to bring to forwards crossing our blue line. I'm hopeful he'll be one of my favourite players very quickly.
- mayorofangrytown

This is what I look forward to. I loved Dan McGillis here before the lockout. You knew when people tried to enter the zone on his side of the ice it was a mistake. Post lockout his foot speed was a hindrance and he became useless. Morin looks quicker. Maybe more Kjell like.

I'd have to disagree. I understand we're talking architecture here but I think 3rd pairing is his floor.

He has foot speed, size and reach. He may not put up the numbers the other D prospects might bring but he's going to punish people and keep pucks out of our end. I can get behind the hesitation he's going to bring to forwards crossing our blue line. I'm hopeful he'll be one of my favourite players very quickly.
- mayorofangrytown

I have my expectations tempered. Puck is a grenade on his stick and for how big he is I was hoping his boardwork would be better than what he's shown.

If the Flyers go into next season thinking Hagg+Morin are the difference makers they need on the back end, I'm a bit worried. I like them just fine and want them in the NHL to get their careers under way, but they're both set-and-forget support types. Sanheim is the true difference maker. Top prospects don't need more than 1 non junior age AHL season unless there was a set-back, and Sanheim did great this year. He's already better than Hagg and Morin at the AHL level, so why he would need to go back over them is beyond me. I'm personally fine with playing all 3 at once. I know it's bolder, but forget long term, it probably makes this team better short term.

I have my expectations tempered. Puck is a grenade on his stick and for how big he is I was hoping his boardwork would be better than what he's shown.
- Just5

The puck is a grenade on his stick? How much have you seen of him.

I have seen a fair amount, and one of the things I noted a few weeks back was that his ability to make a smart pass and lack of panic with the puck stand out. He wont be a 30 point d-man, but he isnt exactly Ryan Parent either.

He's a lot like Luke schenn for me. A little different on the tools. But all in all 3rd pairing defensive dman.
- Just5

Him gaining ground to break up that break away was more than I ever saw LSchenn do defensively.

I see him as a solid #4 in the future.

He's a lot like Luke schenn for me. A little different on the tools. But all in all 3rd pairing defensive dman.
- Just5

He's definitely got more footspeed than Schenn according to all reports (and the eye test of him keeping pace with Hall in his NHL game), and a few extra inches of reach.

I don't think he's going to be a top pairing guy, but if he learns to be patient and aware and use his reach to swallow up most plays that come his way he could be a Chara-ultra-light. And who knows, back in 2001 Chara was 24 looking like a lanky goofball with no awareness with a team worst -27 on NYI. As Morin learns to use his size effectively he may surprise everyone and continue to really step it up, and maybe he'll turn out to be closer to Chara than most expect.

I have my expectations tempered. Puck is a grenade on his stick and for how big he is I was hoping his boardwork would be better than what he's shown.
- Just5

I've watched a fair amount of his play across the last three seasons. I don't see the "grenade on his stick" puck play. He makes a quick, safe first pass out of the zone.

He's like every defender. If you really want to sit and examine every play under a microscope he's not going to be perfect just like the never ending "Ghost can't play D/is horrible in his own end" posts on here.

I hope his play next season brings you around to a happier conclusion.

The puck is a grenade on his stick? How much have you seen of him.

I have seen a fair amount, and one of the things I noted a few weeks back was that his ability to make a smart pass and lack of panic with the puck stand out. He wont be a 30 point d-man, but he isnt exactly Ryan Parent either.
- jak521

I think some people get caught up in the sexy skills that Gostisbehere brings and kind of think Morin is more old school.

But Morin is more new school defensive defenseman. he is mean and nasty but he has puck skills and can move fro a big man. he isn't Mike Rathje. And I think you'll see Gostisbehere as more of a 3rd pair defenseman than Morin.

When all said and done I could see a top 4 of some mix of Provorov, Hagg, Morin, Sanheim and Myers.

I love him, but I don't know how anyone can come to the conclusion that Couturier has been anything, but bad on the PP. Not saying he can't get better or be coached up a bit, but I think he's one of the many reasons the 2nd unit stinks
- PhillySportsGuy

I know this is something BSH has been peddling, but I don't see how that judgment can be made yet. As has been the story of his entire NHL career, Couturier has been grossly misused on the PP and set up to not succeed. And this unit has had so many issues unrelated to him (how many goals did they score in the 40 games he missed the last 2 years?), that it feels like a mulligan should be called for it. He's not a great PP player, but playing net front on PP2 isn't a role for a great PP player....just a big one who is good around the net and along the boards retrieving. Watching him play QB on the half wall -- the WRONG half wall yet -- or blasting one timers from the right point is not his skill set. He shouldn't be the focal point. I can't come up with a single reason he shouldn't be good in that spot.

I'd like to see him in front of the net, where he's best, for 1 whole season and then see what happens. It's hard to make a fair judgment of players when they're not in roles they should be. The PP2 in recent years has been a disaster -- both personnel and system related -- and they somehow got worse adding TK and Provorov. Somehow the PP2 turned Gagner into a horrible PP player. It's a diseased unit.

With Weal added, and even Flip on the other side, and Coots in front, the unit did actually look like it had semblance late in the season. If Sanheim is on the team, either do 2 d-men in Sanheim+Provorov, or Sanheim with Lindblom in the slot. Lindblom can also play the right wall, which is something going forward after Flip is gone. Truthfully, I think it's TK that doesn't have the defined PP spot right now. He's not a net front guy, but he's also not good on the half wall. Wasn't a great PP guy in junior either. Maybe in the future.

If the Flyers go into next season thinking Hagg+Morin are the difference makers they need on the back end, I'm a bit worried. I like them just fine and want them in the NHL to get their careers under way, but they're both set-and-forget support types. Sanheim is the true difference maker. Top prospects don't need more than 1 non junior age AHL season unless there was a set-back, and Sanheim did great this year. He's already better than Hagg and Morin at the AHL level, so why he would need to go back over them is beyond me. I'm personally fine with playing all 3 at once. I know it's bolder, but forget long term, it probably makes this team better short term.
- Mononoke

AND BENCH MACDONALD AFTER THE GREAT SEASON HE JUST HAD!?

AND BENCH MACDONALD AFTER THE GREAT SEASON HE JUST HAD!?
- PhillySportsGuy

He can enjoy the bus rides and paying for kids meals again for all I care.

AND BENCH MACDONALD AFTER THE GREAT SEASON HE JUST HAD!?
- PhillySportsGuy

Oh sorry, I wasn't clear. I was inferring that Ghost should be benched, not MacDonald. He and Provorov were dynamite together in this renaissance year of his, and it's something I'm looking forward to for 3 more years. I wouldn't dream of splitting them.

Phantoms assigned Carter Hart from his junior team to the phantoms, i didnt think he was eligible to play ahl hockey yet?

Well that's NEVER happening.

It's cool sounding to say that but you're implying he's the second best player in the league and he isn't even the second best defensemen under 21 in the league. At some point you either have to be realistic in your evals or you'll just be stewing in your own juices hoping for the best.

I'm not trading the kid for a ball of twine and three wishes here. I'm trading him for a number one center that's just one year his senior. A player at a position we may spend 5-10 years trying to acquire otherwise.
- mayorofangrytown

Please say Werenski

I know this is something BSH has been peddling, but I don't see how that judgment can be made yet. As has been the story of his entire NHL career, Couturier has been grossly misused on the PP and set up to not succeed. And this unit has had so many issues unrelated to him (how many goals did they score in the 40 games he missed the last 2 years?), that it feels like a mulligan should be called for it. He's not a great PP player, but playing net front on PP2 isn't a role for a great PP player....just a big one who is good around the net and along the boards retrieving. Watching him play QB on the half wall -- the WRONG half wall yet -- or blasting one timers from the right point is not his skill set. He shouldn't be the focal point. I can't come up with a single reason he shouldn't be good in that spot.

I'd like to see him in front of the net, where he's best, for 1 whole season and then see what happens. It's hard to make a fair judgment of players when they're not in roles they should be. The PP2 in recent years has been a disaster -- both personnel and system related -- and they somehow got worse adding TK and Provorov. Somehow the PP2 turned Gagner into a horrible PP player. It's a diseased unit.

With Weal added, and even Flip on the other side, and Coots in front, the unit did actually look like it had semblance late in the season. If Sanheim is on the team, either do 2 d-men in Sanheim+Provorov, or Sanheim with Lindblom in the slot. Lindblom can also play the right wall, which is something going forward after Flip is gone. Truthfully, I think it's TK that doesn't have the defined PP spot right now. He's not a net front guy, but he's also not good on the half wall. Wasn't a great PP guy in junior either. Maybe in the future.
- Mononoke

TL:DR

Phantoms assigned Carter Hart from his junior team to the phantoms, i didnt think he was eligible to play ahl hockey yet?
- kej83

As soon as his Junior team is done he can get an ATO with the Phantoms for that season.

AND BENCH MACDONALD AFTER THE GREAT SEASON HE JUST HAD!?
- PhillySportsGuy

We all know he's better in his own end than that has been Gostisbehere. For every mistake MacD makes Ghost makes three. You don't bench a player if he's playing well.

This poop has been established. It's a fact.

... or a trap! Hell I have no idea, I'm trying to trade Provorov for Draisitl for gods sake.