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jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Apr 17 @ 3:19 PM ET
they also already had a franchise guy in Weber and now Subban. No way I move Provorov
- nastyflyergirl


They also had Roman Josi.

But yeah, if we had a guy like Pronger in his prime, it does make Provorov more expendable.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Apr 17 @ 3:20 PM ET
They also had Roman Josi.
- jmatchett383



Ekholm and Ellis too.

jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Apr 17 @ 3:21 PM ET
Ekholm and Ellis too.
- J35Bacher


But we have their equals in Hagg and Morin, who are locks to make the team and succeed next year.
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Apr 17 @ 3:22 PM ET
But we have their equals in Hagg and Morin, who are locks to make the team and succeed next year.
- jmatchett383

wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Apr 17 @ 3:23 PM ET
hope I'm wrong but I think they trade Hagg.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Apr 17 @ 3:23 PM ET
But we have their equals in Hagg and Morin, who are locks to make the team and succeed next year.
- jmatchett383



Yeah.

But until they actually do it their just prospects.


Also the Oilers didn't really move forward with all the centers they took until they got a generational talent like McDavid.

I am not sure Draisitl is on that level.

I am with you. I only move Provorov for mcdavid unless someone gives me something I would be foolish to say no to.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Apr 17 @ 3:24 PM ET
It's just as hard to find a number one center. Teams can go decades without either one.

Nashville, who was in a similar position as we're in right now, pulled the trigger on the Seth Jones deal. I'm striking for a player of higher value IMO than Ryan Johansen.

These trades can get done.

Imagine Leon Draisitl at center for the Flyers when the puck drops in September for camp. It's just something I was kicking around in my head last night watching the playoffs.

I thought it would be a decent topic to discuss on here and I think I could get behind it. Will it happen... I don't believe there's any chance it happens.

- mayorofangrytown


You are talking about proven NHL defensemen vs our prospect defensemen. Seth Jones was one of their defensemen, Provorov is our best defenseman.

In 5 years (when you said we will need our #1 center) maybe we can discuss that type of trade. Right now or any time in the near future? There is no chance at all
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Apr 17 @ 3:25 PM ET
hope I'm wrong but I think they trade Hagg.
- wcorvette



I originally thought that until this year.

I think he has top pairing skills.

I'll get killed for saying it but I actually think Gostisbehere gets traded.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Apr 17 @ 3:25 PM ET
While we are on the topic though. Seth Jones is a (frank)ing stud. I mean that both on and off the ice

For real though. He is really good at hockey
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Apr 17 @ 3:27 PM ET
I originally thought that until this year.

I think he has top pairing skills.

I'll get killed for saying it but I actually think Gostisbehere gets traded.

- J35Bacher


YOU SHUT YOUR MOUTH!

I think Gostisbehere has a unique skill set. He has a rocket of a shot, skates like the wind, and his offensive creativity (when he's on) is unique when compared to a guy like (not better, just unique). I wouldn't trade him unless Sanheim proves he can replace his production.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Apr 17 @ 3:28 PM ET
While we are on the topic though. Seth Jones is a (frank)ing stud. I mean that both on and off the ice

For real though. He is really good at hockey

- YuenglingJagr


He is well above average at the execution of professional ice hockey.
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Apr 17 @ 3:29 PM ET
I originally thought that until this year.

I think he has top pairing skills.

I'll get killed for saying it but I actually think Gostisbehere gets traded.

- J35Bacher


Wouldn't shock me at all
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Apr 17 @ 3:29 PM ET
YOU SHUT YOUR MOUTH!

I think Gostisbehere has a unique skill set. He has a rocket of a shot, skates like the wind, and his offensive creativity (when he's on) is unique when compared to a guy like (not better, just unique). I wouldn't trade him unless Sanheim proves he can replace his production.

- jmatchett383



I understand.

I think Snaheim and eventually Myers will produce well.

I knew it would be hated. just a thought I have.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Apr 17 @ 3:29 PM ET
Then you're never trading him. That's fine. I just think it's been so long since the Flyers drafted a possible number one Defenseman that this board over values him in comparison to other players of similar age and experience around the league.

No big deal. It's the reaction I expected.

- mayorofangrytown

Who around the league would you compare him to? Similar age, skill set, projection, usage, etc.
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Apr 17 @ 3:30 PM ET
He is well above average at the execution of professional ice hockey.
- jmatchett383


Ok you need to simmer down that one almost had Diet Soda shoot out my nose.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Apr 17 @ 3:33 PM ET
YOU SHUT YOUR MOUTH!

I think Gostisbehere has a unique skill set. He has a rocket of a shot, skates like the wind, and his offensive creativity (when he's on) is unique when compared to a guy like (not better, just unique). I wouldn't trade him unless Sanheim proves he can replace his production.

- jmatchett383


It'd be like trading Jay Buhner.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Apr 17 @ 3:34 PM ET
I originally thought that until this year.

I think he has top pairing skills.

I'll get killed for saying it but I actually think Gostisbehere gets traded.

- J35Bacher


If even just one or two of the prospects pans out for real, this wouldn't surprise me at all.
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Apr 17 @ 3:36 PM ET
If even just one or two of the prospects pans out for real, this wouldn't surprise me at all.
- Scoob


Kid has moxie saying he just decided to say F it and play his game after the coach benched him for playing his game
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Apr 17 @ 3:39 PM ET
Kid has moxie saying he just decided to say F it and play his game after the coach benched him for playing his game
- dragonoffrost


Yeah, but I also think he was benched for stuff other than "his game." He was making some fundamental defensive mistakes.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Apr 17 @ 3:39 PM ET
But we have their equals in Hagg and Morin, who are locks to make the team and succeed next year.
- jmatchett383

Youre almost as brutal as my wife..
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Apr 17 @ 3:43 PM ET
It'd be like trading Jay Buhner.
- Scoob


So underrated.

jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Apr 17 @ 3:44 PM ET
Youre almost as brutal as my wife..
- jak521


SAY MY NAME!!!
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Apr 17 @ 3:44 PM ET
they also already had a franchise guy in Weber and now Subban. No way I move Provorov
- nastyflyergirl

They were further along than us. That's more than true. The guys in the trade were similar though in experience and position.

If you pass on trading Provorov then you could be the Devils, starving for offense and trading a younger D for an older forward who isn't even a pivot.

Myers or Sanheim for Nino Niederreiter doesn't appeal to me.
twpguy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.01.2010

Apr 17 @ 3:46 PM ET
Flyers need improvement in skill level, get rid of some of the 4th line players on the team, and there are several. Couturier for me has always been overrated. For me, he's nothing but a 3rd or 4th line player at best so far, probably because of the way he was utilized early on by coaches. The same way Flyer coaches ruined a young Zubrus.
JFlyers00
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NYC (kill me) , NJ
Joined: 11.24.2011

Apr 17 @ 3:46 PM ET
They were further along than us. That's more than true. The guys in the trade were similar though in experience and position.

If you pass on trading Provorov then you could be the Devils, starving for offense and trading a younger D for an older forward who isn't even a pivot.

Myers or Sanheim for Nino Niederreiter doesn't appeal to me.

- mayorofangrytown


Another reason not to bury them in the AHL for so long.
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