Malkin and Stamkos are not generational.
- Matthews_Auston

And Matthews is ?

You could make an argument that Malkin is better than Sid.

Not one I would make personally, but in my eyes the best players of this past generation entering their 30's are Sid, Geno and OV
- sbroads24

Can't argue with that at all. I still like Sid over Malkin though.

(frank) Stamkos.

And Matthews is ?
- GERBE!!!75PTS

Do you think Eichel is?

Do you think Eichel is?
- Matthews_Auston

No lol I think he is Elite just like Matthews

No lol I think he is Elite just like Matthews
- GERBE!!!75PTS

I think both are going to be.

All depends on definition.

In the past decade, who have been the 3-5 players that have dominated?

Ovi, Sid, Malkin, Lidstrom, Kane?

Edit- maybe Jagr, Thornton.

Maybe guys like Lidstrom, Niedermayer, Pronger are technically the generation before

No lol I think he is Elite just like Matthews
- GERBE!!!75PTS

I disagree. I think both are generational.

Let's use this as a reference for people throwing out generational , Elite etc

HF

Generational Talent – a player for the ages, one who can do things with a puck that no other player would even contemplate doing. Very, very few players will be deserving of this rating, probably one per decade.

Defense: Bobby Orr
Forward: Wayne Gretzky
Goaltender: Patrick Roy


9. Elite Talent – possesses the potential for greatness, a perennial All-Star throughout his career.

Defense: Drew Doughty, Duncan Keith, P.K. Subban
Forward: Jamie Benn, Evgeni Malkin, Patrick Kane
Goaltender: Carey Price, Jonathan Quick, Henrik Lundqvist

8. First-Line Forward/ No. 2 Defenseman / No. 1 Goaltender – players with definite skill that might be just a cut below elite status, but still possessing All-Star potential.

Defense: Brent Seabrook, John Carlson, Roman Josi
Forward: Daniel Sedin, Ryan O’Reilly, Bobby Ryan
Goaltender: Corey Crawford, Marc-Andre Fleury, Cory Schneider

7. Second-Line Forward/ No. 3-4 Defenseman / Journeyman No. 1 Goaltender – players not quite good enough to play on the top line or pairing on a regular basis, but still possessing enough talent to contribute offensively, defend with some authority, or competently play the goaltender’s position for long stretches.

Defense: Kevin Shattenkirk, Alec Martinez, Jeff Petry
Forward: Tomas Tatar, Ryan Kesler, James Neal
Goaltender: Devan Dubnyk, Jaroslav Halak, Mike Smith

6. Third-Line Forward/ No. 5-6 Defenseman / Backup Goaltender – generally speaking, players whose game is defensively-oriented, or whose abilities aren’t quite good enough to land full-time duty on the second line, top two defensive pairings, or the No. 1 goaltending position

I disagree. I think both are generational.
- Matthews_Auston

Did the Leafs think playoff games were only one period long? Kab0000000m! HEYYYYYYYYOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHH, POW

I disagree. I think both are generational.
- Matthews_Auston

How could they be generational if they're not better than McDavid?

I exepct a step back as well but nothing like the Avs team you mention. I think they will be in the mix for the playoffs and health and luck will determine if they make playoffs or not. Just like most every other team.

One side note .... I am not a fan of Murray at all. Don't know why but he seems like an arrogant douche. I think Buffalo would be better with another GM.
- Matthews_Auston

I agree. I don't think the Leafs will end up like the 2014 Avs either. It's just the point is that the Avs fan base didn't expect the results that they got after their Cinderella season, either. They have 1st, 2nd, and 3rd overall pick in their offense and it produced magic for only one season.

As for Murray, he is arrogant, and it looks like he's been knocked down a peg or two. We might be better finding someone else, but I'd be willing to give him another year now that he's had a reality check. Disco needs to go, though.

Pick a post lockout all NHL lineup -

Ovechkin - Crosby - Kane
Benn- Malkin- Hossa

Chara- Karlsson
Doughty- Weber?

Lundqvist
Price

How could they be generational if they're not better than McDavid?
- GERBE!!!75PTS

If there can only be one, is Mario generational?

Nah, It's cool. Have some pizza.
-Jesus.
- seedy

Even if it isn't cool, I'll forgive you.
-GOD

If there can only be one, is Mario generational?
- BigStew

I'm saying right now there's only one and that is Connor McDavid..

That's it lol

Then the rest in the NHL

Pick a post lockout all NHL lineup -

Ovechkin - Crosby - Kane
Benn- Malkin- Hossa

Chara- Karlsson
Doughty- Weber?

Lundqvist
Price
- sbroads24

Dude Mike Weber was NOT that good.

Pick a post lockout all NHL lineup -

Ovechkin - Crosby - Kane
Benn- Malkin- Hossa

Chara- Karlsson
Doughty- Weber?

Lundqvist
Price
- sbroads24

Neither is Evander Kane.

Nah, It's cool. Have some pizza.
-Jesus.
- seedy

I'm one of those people that think God watches you all the time and judges you when the time comes


And that pepperoni deep dish pizza will be on his list

Dude Mike Weber was NOT that good.
- Khmylev

Dude Mike Weber was NOT that good.
- Khmylev

Drafting Mike Weber eventually made us bad enough for Jack Eichel.

So in reality, Darcy actually drafted Jack Eichel

Kessel as a flawed player, lol. That's rich.

When did Eichel throw Bylsma under the bus? He went out of his way to not do that.

You're right. It's silly to expect a team that overachieved to maybe take a step back the next season, or at the very least, not improve. It's never happened before. Not once.

Jesus Christ.

There's a saying that springs to mind here "act like you've been there before".
- Wetbandit1

Kessel? I don't know. He couldn't crack the USA WC roster. He was traded two years ago for pennies on the dollar. TML have to eat some contract too. He plays on Pitts third line. He's paid like the "man" but is no leader. Last on the ice, first off the ice, kinda guy. Need any more?

Eichel questioned systems and his teammates publicly. That is well documented.

Not sure how you define "overachieved". The young Leafs blew a bunch of leads this year. Their youth was in full display. With more experience, those L's and 15 OTL's will become W's.

Nobody is planning a parade. But, yes there is excitement. FOr the record, I think the Leafs will be fortunate to win one game vs the Caps.

The moral of the story here is:

Go Caps. F the Leafs...THRICE!

I'm saying right now there's only one and that is Connor McDavid..

That's it lol

Then the rest in the NHL
- GERBE!!!75PTS

I think I would put Crosby in that class but no one else, at least not yet. Crosby has adjusted his game to put team first, he is light years ahead defensively where he was when he first joined the league. Sacrificed points for team, IMO.

I just don't think you can limit it to one player per decade, if they are deserving they are deserving.

Drafting Mike Weber eventually made us bad enough for Jack Eichel.

So in reality, Darcy actually drafted Jack Eichel
- sbroads24

Darcy set us up to have the best chance at drafting McDavid and I've been saying it for years.

I think I would put Crosby in that class but no one else, at least not yet. Crosby has adjusted his game to put team first, he is light years ahead defensively where he was when he first joined the league. Sacrificed points for team, IMO.

I just don't think you can limit it to one player per decade, if they are deserving they are deserving.
- BigStew

Agreed on Crosby I'll give you that ..

You can't just be tossing out generational tags it's for very special players that you'll never see again imo

Kessel? I don't know. He couldn't crack the USA WC roster. He was traded two years ago for pennies on the dollar. TML have to eat some contract too. He plays on Pitts third line. He's paid like the "man" but is no leader. Last on the ice, first off the ice, kinda guy. Need any more?

Eichel questioned systems and his teammates publicly. That is well documented.

Not sure how you define "overachieved". The young Leafs blew a bunch of leads this year. Their youth was in full display. With more experience, those L's and 15 OTL's will become W's.

Nobody is planning a parade. But, yes there is excitement. FOr the record, I think the Leafs will be fortunate to win one game vs the Caps.
- BernardShakey

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