Here is your awful Team Negative take How dare you question management

"Toronto was 10th in the NHL last year in goals scored, and next to last in goals against. Why are they trading a defenseman, for a guy who's only asset right now is being a goal scorer?"
- Just5

He is to negative as MJL is to positive. If we could merge them, ala The Fly, we would have one legit, objective Flyers fan.

Here is your awful Team Negative take How dare you question management

"Toronto was 10th in the NHL last year in goals scored, and next to last in goals against. Why are they trading a defenseman, for a guy who's only asset right now is being a goal scorer?"
- Just5

I understood the JVR for Schenn trade at the time though I wanted the FLyers to get more.

My issue with this ridiculous thread is Plind trying desperately to find a way to blame the Flyers for losing the lottery.

He is to negative as MJL is to positive. If we could merge them, ala The Fly, we would have one legit, objective Flyers fan.

- BiggE

This is equal parts terrifying and fascinating.

He's scored 30 goals once, it is his career high.

Just sayin....
- BiggE

I know. When the Flyers traded him he was still somewhat unproven. He battled injuries, and inconsistency his entire time here. The mistake was trading him off a year he was really bad. I understood the premise of the trade, upgrading the blueline while trading at the time from what was a strength.

Part of the reason why this team is in the predicament they are in now is they just can't get out of their own way. How different does this team look if they don't make a few transactions? Say they held onto JVR, and didn't sigh Amac.

This is equal parts terrifying and fascinating.
- opeth_pa

He's scored 30 goals once, it is his career high.

Just sayin....
- BiggE

Team Negative vigorously and vehemently protests your nefarious use of facts and statistics. Cease and Desist, sir. Cease and Desist!

I know. When the Flyers traded him he was still somewhat unproven. He battled injuries, and inconsistency his entire time here. The mistake was trading him off a year he was really bad. I understood the premise of the trade, upgrading the blueline while trading at the time from what was a strength.

Part of the reason why this team is in the predicament they are in now is they just can't get out of their own way. How different does this team look if they don't make a few transactions? Say they held onto JVR, and didn't sigh Amac.
- PLindbergh31

You can go back and say stuff like that for just about every team in pro sports.

What if the Flyers had drafted Scott Stevens in 82 instead of Ron Sutter?
What if the Sixers hadn't traded Moses Malone?
What if the Golden Seals hadn't traded the first pick in the 71 draft and instead had taken Guy Lafleur?
What if the Cardinals hadn't traded Steve Carlton to the Phils in 71?
What if Chicago hadn't given away Dominic Hasek for next to nothing?

Hindsight dude, hindsight.

Team Negative vigorously and vehemently protests your nefarious use of facts and statistics. Cease and Desist, sir. Cease and Desist!
- Doc_Sarcasm

A perennial 30 goal scorer ...who has only scored 30 goals once in the 13-14 season.
- opeth_pa

The years he didn't score 30, he scored 27, 29, and 14 in half a season. The guy has averaged pretty much 30 goals a season in Toronto.

For crissakes, write a new blog already and save us from this thread Bill!!

The years he didn't score 30, he scored 27, 29, and 14 in half a season. The guy has averaged pretty much 30 goals a season in Toronto.
- PLindbergh31

28.5 does not equal 30, no matter what common core math asserts.

You can go back and say stuff like that for just about every team in pro sports.

What if the Flyers had drafted Scott Stevens in 82 instead of Ron Sutter?
What if the Sixers hadn't traded Moses Malone?
What if the Golden Seals hadn't traded the first pick in the 71 draft and instead had taken Guy Lafleur?
What if the Cardinals hadn't traded Steve Carlton to the Phils in 71?
What if Chicago hadn't given away Dominic Hasek for next to nothing?

Hindsight dude, hindsight.
- BiggE

Signing a third pairing guy to a ridiculous bloated contract doesn't have anything to do with hindsight, or bad luck. It's strictly incompetence, and terrible asset allocation.

The years he didn't score 30, he scored 27, 29, and 14 in half a season. The guy has averaged pretty much 30 goals a season in Toronto.
- PLindbergh31

So...averaging pretty much 30 goals and being a perennial 30 goal scorer are the same then..

You can go back and say stuff like that for just about every team in pro sports.

What if the Flyers had drafted Scott Stevens in 82 instead of Ron Sutter?
What if the Sixers hadn't traded Moses Malone?
What if the Golden Seals hadn't traded the first pick in the 71 draft and instead had taken Guy Lafleur?
What if the Cardinals hadn't traded Steve Carlton to the Phils in 71?
What if Chicago hadn't given away Dominic Hasek for next to nothing?

Hindsight dude, hindsight.
- BiggE

Its not hindsight when you have an opinion on it at the time. Your just either right or wrong. Patrick Sharp trade is a good example of hindsight, I don't think many flyers fans had much of an opinion either way

http://www.hockeybuzz.com...hp?thread_id=99243&page=1

That's Meltzers 06/24/12 blog. Many posters had concerns and questions about the trade and didn't like it much at all for various reasons at the time.

Of course it works both ways. But that was one of Holmer's more transparently poor moves

So...averaging pretty much 30 goals and being a perennial 30 goal scorer are the same then..
- opeth_pa

No I guess it doesn't. I incorrectly used perennial. I'll try again....
Luke Schenn is a perennial stiff. How bout that?

Its not hindsight when you have an opinion on it at the time. Your just either right or wrong. Patrick Sharp trade is a good example of hindsight, I don't think many flyers fans had much of an opinion either way

http://www.hockeybuzz.com...hp?thread_id=99243&page=1

That's Meltzers 06/24/12 blog. Many posters had concerns and questions about the trade and didn't like it much at all for various reasons at the time.

Of course it works both ways. But that was one of Holmer's more transparently poor moves
- Just5

Thank you for digging this up. Here was my post that day.... Didn't get an answer then, would love the answer now!!


Toronto was 10th in the NHL last year in goals scored, and next to last in goals against. Why are they trading a defenseman, for a guy who's only asset right now is being a goal scorer?

No I guess it doesn't. I incorrectly used perennial. I'll try again....
Luke Schenn is a perennial stiff. How bout that?
- PLindbergh31

Sure that is at least a statement you can make an argument for vs somehow trying to blame the Flyers for losing the lottery.

As a side note I would much rather have kept JVR over Schenn I just understood the trade then and also understand that hindsight makes it easy to say it didnt work out.

Sure that is at least a statement you can make an argument for vs somehow trying to blame the Flyers for losing the lottery.

As a side note I would much rather have kept JVR over Schenn I just understood the trade then and also understand that hindsight makes it easy to say it didnt work out.
- opeth_pa

I didn't blame them for losing the lottery. Just said it was typical. I didn't think they would win the lottery at the time.

More hindsight" from me in the JVR blog.

The more I think about this second round pick, the less it makes any semblance of sense.

Trading a goaltender in Bobrovsky, whose course should have been a developmental one, and using the pick on a project goaltender who is at the very least 5-6 years away is puzzling to say the least. I don't get it.

Sure that is at least a statement you can make an argument for vs somehow trying to blame the Flyers for losing the lottery.

As a side note I would much rather have kept JVR over Schenn I just understood the trade then and also understand that hindsight makes it easy to say it didnt work out.
- opeth_pa

I hated the trade then and still do. I doubt it ever happens if Pronger is still around though

I didn't blame them for losing the lottery. Just said it was typical. I didn't think they would win the lottery at the time.
- PLindbergh31

My frustration at the time was thinking "typical the Flyers are the worst team in the league in a year where there isnt a guaranteed superstar" ...that draft there were plenty of sources saying they werent sure what you were getting in Kane.

I hear you Hammar. But you know you keep score. By Championships.
Amazing the Penguins 58 point season produced Crosby, the Flyers 54 point season produced a player traded for a third pairing defenseman.

- PLindbergh31

call me a conspiracy theorist but organization on the verge of being bankrupt again and the Pens get Crosby.....granted they did suck. Hawks suck for years and jump up and get Kane. I think Snider sold the Flyers hockey soul for that 2 cups in the 70's

Signing a third pairing guy to a ridiculous bloated contract doesn't have anything to do with hindsight, or bad luck. It's strictly incompetence, and terrible asset allocation.
- PLindbergh31

So the GM who made those decisions is no longer in that position. Are you implying you have seen enough from Hextall to know definitively he can't bring this team to a Stanley Cup? Just curious.

Now, I'll answer my own question. I do believe if he can't position the club to be in the playoffs next season, I don't think he is the man for the job. His draft record is impressive and light years ahead of his two predecessors. However, drafting is one aspect and he has to show better in other areas for sure.

More hindsight" from me in the JVR blog.

The more I think about this second round pick, the less it makes any semblance of sense.

Trading a goaltender in Bobrovsky, whose course should have been a developmental one, and using the pick on a project goaltender who is at the very least 5-6 years away is puzzling to say the least. I don't get it.
- PLindbergh31

Why keep him just to watch him get embarrassed by the Penguins in the playoffs?

I hated the trade then and still do. I doubt it ever happens if Pronger is still around though
- YuenglingJagr

Agreed.
The Pronger injury had so many negative ripple effects on the team..
It was just a terrible thing to experience as a fan of the team and the player.