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dbot
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Auckland -Burn it all down
Joined: 10.22.2008

Apr 11 @ 9:32 PM ET
Hard to turn up a 6'5" centre that can skate well, I prefer him over Nico. Nico reminds me of a Drouin type player, no knock on Drouin, but looking back now he's definitely not #2 in that draft.
- Crazybagoham




Had a look.
Drouin went 3rd overall.
Bo is looking more and more like a steal from that year.

DrChristianTroy
Location: 2028 Stanley Cup Champions
Joined: 11.10.2006

Apr 11 @ 9:36 PM ET
Anyone pounding their chest and saying I was right and you were wrong , give it a rest . There have been plenty of times everyone on here has been wrong about things.

Chompsey is partly right , when you stick around long enough , what you were right about yesterday you will be right about tomorrow.

- VANTEL


whatever bro... Until all the Mr. Brightsides who called us bipolars for talking (IN REAL TIME) about the eventual consequences of asset mismanagement and poor draft choices admit that things weren't nearly as peachy as they continuously and delusionally insisted they were, I'll pound my chest when I feel like it. We wound up right where the chicken littles (apparently being realistic makes me one) said we would and on an accurate timeline too... This was NOT throwing sh!t at a wall and seeing what sticks. Getting ridiculed daily by fanboys for stating opinions gets old, and then when those opinions turn out to be accurate, they're conveniently forgotten or shrugged off as a coincidental eventuality... If that's the case then why do we even bother debating on here? These were all specific takes through the years... No generalities... and I think it's hilarious and convenient that the context in which they were originally presented has been forgotten by the people who continue to (ironically) whine about "whiners".
SMBDragon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Escaped from Krypton
Joined: 07.29.2010

Apr 11 @ 9:39 PM ET
Everyone is moving Patrck right out of the top3 now
think I'll stick with central scouting and laugh when he is destroying.

Apologies for the Green comment, it was nighthawk who wanted him. You want Cooper, right?

I'm for Gallant myself, anyone with experience at this point. no more rookie coaches!

- neem55

he'll destroying himself, he's always injured every season with a bad injury while in junior. You put him with full grown men and it would likely be worse. No thanks. I'll put him 4th.

Im not sure I have a coaching favorite. THey all come with some sort of down side. Probably gallant has the least down side. Id put him 1st then Id say.
Cooper is very smart though, but Im not sure the players like him. Same with sutter.
But look at the playoff experience those 2 have! Hard to say no to that.

Hitchcock has his pluses and minuses as well. Perhaps hitchcock with gallant taking the reigns in 2 years.

Remember we still need an eye in the sky coach too. If sutter doesnt want to coach anymore as some have suggested he can sit in the stands and analyze.

Gallant is probably the safest choice Id say
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Apr 11 @ 9:40 PM ET
whatever bro... Until all the Mr. Brightsides who called us bipolars for talking (IN REAL TIME) about the eventual consequences of asset mismanagement and poor draft choices admit that things weren't nearly as peachy as they continuously and delusionally insisted they were, I'll pound my chest when I feel like it. We wound up right where the chicken littles (apparently being realistic makes me one) said we would and on an accurate timeline too... This was NOT throwing sh!t at a wall and seeing what sticks. Getting ridiculed daily by fanboys for stating opinions gets old, and then when those opinions turn out to be accurate, they're conveniently forgotten or shrugged off as a coincidental eventuality... If that's the case then why do we even bother debating on here? These were all specific takes through the years... No generalities... and I think it's hilarious and convenient that the context in which they were originally presented has been forgotten by the people who continue to (ironically) whine about "whiners".
- DrChristianTroy



My comment wasn't aimed at you I posted it at Nucker because his post came across as a lot of I told you so
dbot
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Auckland -Burn it all down
Joined: 10.22.2008

Apr 11 @ 9:40 PM ET
whatever bro... Until all the Mr. Brightsides who called us bipolars for talking (IN REAL TIME) about the eventual consequences of asset mismanagement and poor draft choices admit that things weren't nearly as peachy as they continuously and delusionally insisted they were, I'll pound my chest when I feel like it. We wound up right where the chicken littles (apparently being realistic makes me one) said we would and on an accurate timeline too... This was NOT throwing sh!t at a wall and seeing what sticks. Getting ridiculed daily by fanboys for stating opinions gets old, and then when those opinions turn out to be accurate, they're conveniently forgotten or shrugged off as a coincidental eventuality... If that's the case then why do we even bother debating on here? These were all specific takes through the years... No generalities... and I think it's hilarious and convenient that the context in which they were originally presented has been forgotten by the people who continue to (ironically) whine about "whiners".
- DrChristianTroy


here ya go champ.

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LeftCoaster
Location: Valley Of The Sun
Joined: 07.03.2009

Apr 11 @ 9:40 PM ET
So what's the good word today? We stink, we're rebuilding and this is gonna take years to fix?
DrChristianTroy
Location: 2028 Stanley Cup Champions
Joined: 11.10.2006

Apr 11 @ 9:41 PM ET
My comment wasn't aimed at you I posted it at Nucker because his post came across as a lot of I told you so
- VANTEL


IMO he's more than justified in coming across that way...
SMBDragon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Escaped from Krypton
Joined: 07.29.2010

Apr 11 @ 9:43 PM ET
Hard to turn up a 6'5" centre that can skate well, I prefer him over Nico. Nico reminds me of a Drouin type player, no knock on Drouin, but looking back now he's definitely not #2 in that draft.
- Crazybagoham

rasmussen is 6'6 215 at 17 without all the injuries....but ranked #9
dbot
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Auckland -Burn it all down
Joined: 10.22.2008

Apr 11 @ 9:43 PM ET
So what's the good word today? We stink, we're rebuilding and this is gonna take years to fix?
- LeftCoaster


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VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Apr 11 @ 9:44 PM ET
IMO he's more than justified in coming across that way...
- DrChristianTroy



There has been a lot that he has been wrong about too same as everyone
LeftCoaster
Location: Valley Of The Sun
Joined: 07.03.2009

Apr 11 @ 9:45 PM ET

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- dbot

you're good at those!
DrChristianTroy
Location: 2028 Stanley Cup Champions
Joined: 11.10.2006

Apr 11 @ 9:48 PM ET
There has been a lot that he has been wrong about too same as everyone
- VANTEL


Yeah so have I... everyone's bound to be right & wrong when we're giving takes on every little thing that happens.. The whole back & forth today was more big picture.
SMBDragon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Escaped from Krypton
Joined: 07.29.2010

Apr 11 @ 9:50 PM ET

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- dbot

whered you get the satellite pic of max the troll?
mauryballstein
Vancouver Canucks
Location: vancouver, BC
Joined: 06.12.2015

Apr 11 @ 9:54 PM ET
That's because there are no fingers to be pointed. if anything we should be the ones saying "I told you so" in every blog this entire summer


A lot of the people who defended Benning are being humbled, including Benning and Linden themselves who look like scolded little puppies yesterday It's clear that their plan to keep this team competitive whole re-tooling failed and now finally after 2 and half years(starting at the TDL) they've realized this.


Just because I(and others) don't like him and the direction of the fanbase, doesn't mean the whiners won't deny the good things he's done(Granlund, Tanev contract, Boeser/Demko/Tryamkin, Bieksa deal, Stetcher, etc.). It's just that a lot of the bad he did was unnecessary and easily avoidable and this management group's plan was flawed from day 1.


And it's okay for the whiners to continue to be sceptical because this is the man who thought Sbisa was worth 3.6M, called Brandon Sutter foundational, signed Eriksson to that contract, and thought this team was good enough to be competitive the past 2 seasons and wasted picks on Vey/Clendening/Pedan as part of his "age gap" plan.

And the man we have as president, who wasn't even involved in hockey for years thought it was a good idea to hire a rookie GM and rookie Head Coach. I(and a few others) said it back after year one(this was after the pleasant rebound season) that there are red flags with this group moving forward.

The good thing moving forward is that they have 3 more years of experience along with a nice dose reality compared to the day they were hired.

- Nucker101


Great post.

The age gap plan was the (frank)ing stupidest thing ive ear heard of.
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Apr 11 @ 9:56 PM ET
he'll destroying himself, he's always injured every season with a bad injury while in junior. You put him with full grown men and it would likely be worse. No thanks. I'll put him 4th.

Im not sure I have a coaching favorite. THey all come with some sort of down side. Probably gallant has the least down side. Id put him 1st then Id say.
Cooper is very smart though, but Im not sure the players like him. Same with sutter.
But look at the playoff experience those 2 have! Hard to say no to that.

Hitchcock has his pluses and minuses as well. Perhaps hitchcock with gallant taking the reigns in 2 years.

Remember we still need an eye in the sky coach too. If sutter doesnt want to coach anymore as some have suggested he can sit in the stands and analyze.

Gallant is probably the safest choice Id say

- SMBDragon


If NHL clubs aren't worried, niether am I. his latest was a appendectomy, super rare and because they cut you right up the mid-section there's no way to play or repair quick. Hitch is the one that was set to retire, he announced it before the start of the year.
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Apr 11 @ 9:56 PM ET
So what's the good word today? We stink, we're rebuilding and this is gonna take years to fix?
- LeftCoaster

Quit being negative.
mauryballstein
Vancouver Canucks
Location: vancouver, BC
Joined: 06.12.2015

Apr 11 @ 9:58 PM ET
A couple of observations .

Rebuild.) People are calling this a rebuild but we are bringing back Sedins Edler Sutter Gudbrandson and Eriksson. We are still retooling


Spector) He is an idiot but he is not wrong . Currently Canucks don't have a top 3 player. Bo may grow to be one but he is not there yet.


Linden) He said yesterday he has never been more excited to be a part o the Canucks . Botchford pointed out he just fired the coach hours before. Things can't be that great. Stop the BS.

Benning .) This will be Bennings last year. If he signs a skilled experience coach he will be scorned for not bringing in Green . If he brings in Green people will call him a dummy for passing on an experienced coach. A rebuild should have been started 3 years ago but we will begin in a year or two.

Coaching ) No coach will make a diference as long as we bring back the same vets and Benning will be fired and the new GM will get his experienced coach just like Edmonton did.

- VANTEL

neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Apr 11 @ 9:59 PM ET
rasmussen is 6'6 215 at 17 without all the injuries....but ranked #9
- SMBDragon

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deosn't score 5v5 a little soft for a big guy IMO Watching him play reminded me of Taylor Pyatt. You're just like "(frank)ing hit the guy!!" and they never do. I only watched him play 2 games, but that's my 2 cents.
mauryballstein
Vancouver Canucks
Location: vancouver, BC
Joined: 06.12.2015

Apr 11 @ 10:01 PM ET
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deosn't score 5v5 a little soft for a big guy IMO Watching him play reminded me of Taylor Pyatt. You're just like "(frank)ing hit the guy!!" and they never do. I only watched him play 2 games, but that's my 2 cents.

- neem55

He fights. Saw him lay a beating on some kid. He isnt that soft.
LeftCoaster
Location: Valley Of The Sun
Joined: 07.03.2009

Apr 11 @ 10:04 PM ET
Quit being negative.
- A_SteamingLombardi

Wife is cooking short ribs with gourmet mushroom risotto...the house smells awesome, no need for negativity. But I did say Benning is an idiot for the past two years
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Apr 11 @ 10:18 PM ET
If we land 1OA, i think we take Patrick too.
i want Green.

- dbot

I am good with Green. Good with the kids and he is a smart dude. I think he has a lot of potential
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Apr 11 @ 10:20 PM ET
here ya go champ.

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- dbot

winner of the internet today
Nuck4U
Vancouver Canucks
Location: NY
Joined: 10.12.2016

Apr 11 @ 10:22 PM ET
That's fine. If we end up with the #1 pick this year, I will be very glad this team "toilet flushed" or whatever stupid description you want to paint reality with. Was it 'toilet flushing' when Pittsburgh gutted their roster to insure top picks for years (2002=5, 2003=1,2004=2,2005=1,2006=2)? How about Chicago (2007=1, 2006= 3, 2005=7, 2004=3)?
- neem55


I will be happy with the draftist outcome that the Nucks win out in the lottery and pick 1st too.

But then you go on to mix up the terms and consequences. You are better than this or just hiding acknowledgement. An end result and an intent at the outset of a season are very different concepts. Those teams were bad and futility was their season. Some say the owners back then were too cheap to spend money on the teams. But it wasn't their intent to have those results. They did use the draft to build. A draftist approach or strategy.

Now an intent to destroy your team and bottom out (presumibly for several years) is the tank. Why a toilet that has a tank (with described intent) is flushing your team and season away. It is the more appropriate symbol and description of that plan or strategy. Embrace it if you want. It will always stink to me. No matter if propaganda artists try to mask the stench with symbolisms of an attacking military vehicle.

I'm done clarifying this for you. You either get my destictions or not. Believe in what you want it's your right. It doesn't make either of us wrong or right better or worse. Just members of the same suffering Nuck tribe.

#nucked4life
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Apr 11 @ 10:27 PM ET
Wife is cooking short ribs with gourmet mushroom risotto...the house smells awesome, no need for negativity. But I did say Benning is an idiot for the past two years
- LeftCoaster

Did you catch his quote from yesterday?

Short ribs are probably the best meat on the planet next to bacon.
LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

Apr 11 @ 10:36 PM ET
I am good with Green. Good with the kids and he is a smart dude. I think he has a lot of potential
- CanuckDon

Plus hundreds and hundreds of game as an NHL'er. It has to help.
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