The players executed the system fine.

The problem is that a bunch of the players (frank)ing suck.
- BINGO!

Yeah, well I guess having Selke and Norria winners, and many Olympians and others that have represented fheir countries probably do make us suck. Not to mention many guys that have one a Stanley Cup or two. You reallly know your hockey.

Yeah, well I guess having Selke and Norria winners, and many Olympians and others that have represented fheir countries probably do make us suck. Not to mention many guys that have one a Stanley Cup or two. You reallly know your hockey.

- verwustung

He's not wrong though. A bunch of the players simply suck.

Yeah, well I guess having Selke and Norria winners, and many Olympians and others that have represented fheir countries probably do make us suck. Not to mention many guys that have one a Stanley Cup or two. You reallly know your hockey.

- verwustung

Sorry, I didn't realize that:

Nic Dowd
Nick Shore
Trevor Lewis
Kyle Clifford
Devin Setoguchi
Jordan Nolan
Dwight King
and Marian Gaborik

are all World Class players at this point in their careers.

Every single one of those guys played 40+ games for the Kings. The highest scorer in that group? Trevor Lewis with 24 points. That is way too many unskilled depth forwards.

You had three, THREE, forwards score 40 or more points this year. That is not anywhere near enough.

My feelings mirror those of Sheng and many other posters....mad respect for what Dean and Daryl accomplished but can't ignore the regression of the past three seasons.

Little surprised so many folks were down on the Bishop deal....got him on the cheap due to his contract situation, and the team certainly wasn't going to find a scorer in exchange for Cernak. While Budaj certainly played well, he wasn't going to carry the team to the playoffs and certainly not steal any games....you can throw out all the stats you want, but a team knows who is playing in behind them, and you'd be pretty hard-pressed to find anybody who would prefer Budaj to Bishop. Like so many Lombardi moves, just didn't work....but if you can't get the puck to the net, it hardly matters.

My feelings mirror those of Sheng and many other posters....mad respect for what Dean and Daryl accomplished but can't ignore the regression of the past three seasons.

Little surprised so many folks were down on the Bishop deal....got him on the cheap due to his contract situation, and the team certainly wasn't going to find a scorer in exchange for Cernak. While Budaj certainly played well, he wasn't going to carry the team to the playoffs and certainly not steal any games....you can throw out all the stats you want, but a team knows who is playing in behind them, and you'd be pretty hard-pressed to find anybody who would prefer Budaj to Bishop. Like so many Lombardi moves, just didn't work....but if you can't get the puck to the net, it hardly matters.

Sorry, I didn't realize that:

Nic Dowd
Nick Shore
Trevor Lewis
Kyle Clifford
Devin Setoguchi
Jordan Nolan
Dwight King
and Marian Gaborik

are all World Class players at this point in their careers.

Every single one of those guys played 40+ games for the Kings. The highest scorer in that group? Trevor Lewis with 24 points. That is way too many unskilled depth forwards.

You had three, THREE, forwards score 40 or more points this year. That is not anywhere near enough.
- BINGO!

What are you idiots coming here for and giving your two little cents? You dumbasses have seen like one or two Kings games and don't even follow the team, and all of the sudden you act like you know what the (frank) you are talking about. GTFO AND STFO, POS!!!!!!

What are you idiots coming here for and giving your two little cents? You dumbasses have seen like one or two Kings games and don't even follow the team, and all of the sudden you act like you know what the (frank) you are talking about. GTFO AND STFO, POS!!!!!!
- verwustung

Your ridiculous dude. Relax and take a deep breath.

He's not wrong though. A bunch of the players simply suck.
- poisondhearts37

Dowd and Shore have shown some great potential. These guys may have grown better with better coaching. Both have torn up the AHL and have been All-Stars.

Your ridiculous dude. Relax and take a deep breath.
- poisondhearts37

Do you see me going to their blogs and acting like I know better? I guarantee their blogger and poaters would put me down quick.

Dowd and Shore have shown some great potential. These guys may have grown better with better coaching. Both have torn up the AHL and have been All-Stars.
- verwustung

That's fine, but so was Zach Boychuk.

It doesn't change what they did, which, frankly, was not very much.

Dowd is 26 years old. He's not a prospect.

Shore has 34 points in 172 NHL games. If you think that's good enough, I don't know what to tell you.

The guys I listed played a combined 505 games. They scored 56 goals. Total.

That's fine, but so was Zach Boychuk.

It doesn't change what they did, which, frankly, was not very much.

Dowd is 26 years old. He's not a prospect.

Shore has 34 points in 172 NHL games. If you think that's good enough, I don't know what to tell you.

The guys I listed played a combined 505 games. They scored 56 goals. Total.
- BINGO!

Perspective: Out of those EIGHT forwards combined, you got a total of 7 goals every 10 games.

That's fine, but so was Zach Boychuk.

It doesn't change what they did, which, frankly, was not very much.

Dowd is 26 years old. He's not a prospect.

Shore has 34 points in 172 NHL games. If you think that's good enough, I don't know what to tell you.

The guys I listed played a combined 505 games. They scored 56 goals. Total.
- BINGO!

I know that you think Dowd, Shore, and Boychuk are all one and the same player. That goes with all the hockey you have watched and your vast array of knowledge. Now delete your account and dissapear.

I know that you think Dowd, Shore, and Boychuk are all one and the same player. That goes with all the hockey you have watched and your vast array of knowledge. Now delete your account and dissapear.
- verwustung

....No, I think that Dowd and Shore are fine players in their own right, but that the L.A. Kings significantly lack scoring depth. I don't think that's an outrageous thing to say.

Sorry, I didn't realize that:

Nic Dowd
Nick Shore
Trevor Lewis
Kyle Clifford
Devin Setoguchi
Jordan Nolan
Dwight King
and Marian Gaborik

are all World Class players at this point in their careers.

Every single one of those guys played 40+ games for the Kings. The highest scorer in that group? Trevor Lewis with 24 points. That is way too many unskilled depth forwards.

You had three, THREE, forwards score 40 or more points this year. That is not anywhere near enough.
- BINGO!

While Gaborik did play pretty bad, he was on fire during the World Cup of Hockey before he got hurt. And had he played with Kopi all season I think he would have produced a little better instead of having him play with Kopi for 2 games, not produce then he was a healthy scratch or on the third line. That was one of the things I hated about Sutter. You would see the Kings clicking on all 4 lines, then the next game not so much then he would blow up all the lines. He never really let guys get into groves with other guys. It was produce every game or you are on a new line it seemed like.

....No, I think that Dowd and Shore are fine players in their own right, but that the L.A. Kings significantly lack scoring depth. I don't think that's an outrageous thing to say.
- BINGO!

For the last time: We have plenty of guys who have scores and who can continue to score in this league. The problem is that they all play like robots and simply do not care. You would know this is you actually watched the games (which you obviously don't). This comes down to poor managment which I mentioned before. NIc Dowd is a fine player. Looking at stats does him no justice. Shore has been improving as well. I have nothing more to say about this. Out..

For the last time: We have plenty of guys who have scores and who can continue to score in this league. The problem is that they all play like robots and simply do not care. You would know this is you actually watched the games (which you obviously don't). This comes down to poor managment which I mentioned before. NIc Dowd is a fine player. Looking at stats does him no justice. Shore has been improving as well. I have nothing more to say about this. Out..
- verwustung

Nic Dowd is 26 years old.

Nick Shore has 10 goals in 172 NHL games.

They, as individuals, are not the problem.

That there are so many guys like them on the team is the problem.

While Gaborik did play pretty bad, he was on fire during the World Cup of Hockey before he got hurt. And had he played with Kopi all season I think he would have produced a little better instead of having him play with Kopi for 2 games, not produce then he was a healthy scratch or on the third line. That was one of the things I hated about Sutter. You would see the Kings clicking on all 4 lines, then the next game not so much then he would blow up all the lines. He never really let guys get into groves with other guys. It was produce every game or you are on a new line it seemed like.
- LAkings96

While I can totally get behind the Bishop pickup and especially the point about DL not having many chips to play with, especially not getting much in return for Cernak, but Gabi was terrible. He came back slow and out of game shape (it happens to veterans after long injury layoffs) but he was just gawd awful the last 25 games. he gave up on too many plays to remember; shied away from the hint of impending contact, olay'd too many players coming through the neutral zone; flat out LAZY.

Both Dean and Darryl are gone, victims of the expectations their success created.
- Sheng Peng

This does make some sense at first and Dan Beckerman even gave that justification, but, on the other hand, coaches often don't survive having only one playoff win in three seasons and GMs don't survive 11 seasons without being successful, either. So, I don't think that being successful and then not meeting those expectations got them fired. They probably would've been fired already if they hadn't been successful.

Speaking of this success, a multiple Stanley Cup-winning coach (same team) is rarely canned within three years of his last championship. Since 1927, there have been 14 such bench bosses and only two others were dispatched so "quickly": Cecil Hart (Canadiens, 1931 last Cup, 1932 fired) and Punch Imlach (Maple Leafs, 1967 last Cup, 1969 fired).

...

Dumping a multiple Stanley Cup-winning general manager within three years of his last championship is even more unusual. There have been 20 such GMs and just two others were fired in this time frame: Imlach and Serge Savard (Canadiens, 1993 last Cup, 1995 fired).
- Sheng Peng

While this is interesting, it's not taking into account performance since those last Cups. I bet that most of those coaches and GMs had more success in the three years after their last Cups--a least making the playoffs, perhaps winning a few rounds--than Sutter and Lombardi did, so, naturally, few of them were fired so soon after. I just think that you can't draw a comparison unless you know the records. In fact, I'm not sure that you can compare Sutter/Lombardi to any historical examples, since it's quite possible that they made history by having such unsuccessful teams in the three years after winning second Cups.

This is like (frank)ing christmas.... Davis Payne... GONE yusssss!

This is like (frank)ing christmas.... Davis Payne... GONE yusssss!
- MikeOxbyg

Exellent! Now please promote Stothers or hire Gallant. I might even be okay with Pat Roy although I don't think others will be.

No Hitchcock
No Desjardins
No Ruff
and No Meow

While I can totally get behind the Bishop pickup and especially the point about DL not having many chips to play with, especially not getting much in return for Cernak, but Gabi was terrible. He came back slow and out of game shape (it happens to veterans after long injury layoffs) but he was just gawd awful the last 25 games. he gave up on too many plays to remember; shied away from the hint of impending contact, olay'd too many players coming through the neutral zone; flat out LAZY.
- Stu17

That is why I said he did play pretty bad. It was just crazy to see how good he played in the World Cup then come back from injury and play the way he did. Maybe he rushed back from his injury or he just knew they were trying to trade him and he just shut down.

That is why I said he did play pretty bad. It was just crazy to see how good he played in the World Cup then come back from injury and play the way he did. Maybe he rushed back from his injury or he just knew they were trying to trade him and he just shut down.
- LAkings96

Or maybe he was emotionally invested in playing for his country and was willing to put himself in harms way for the teams overall success, but not so much for the Kings? That would be my take.