That's fantastic
- robin_steele264

I wonder how he'd actually feel if the Oil had beat the Canes for the cup...

For the gent who is glad power plays are down...if you enforce the rules and teams start giving up power plays right and left, teams will adjust and stop with the hooking, holding, interference and stick infractions. In the short run, there would be a huge spike in PP time, but it would eventually decrease, because the players would have no recourse but to not take penalties.

Any concern about Jarry being kept on the main roster? Murray hurt for real? Weird they didn't send him down with the 6 other guys unless they need him. Reverse of what Happened last year, Fleury does great in the playoffs to claim starting goalie position? haha

Any concern about Jarry being kept on the main roster? Murray hurt for real? Weird they didn't send him down with the 6 other guys unless they need him. Reverse of what Happened last year, Fleury does great in the playoffs to claim starting goalie position? haha
- Zac_O

Not really. Keeping 3 goalies on the roster is not uncommon in the playoffs. They don't wanna worry about a guy getting hurt in warmups & then not having an available backup on the bench in case of emergencies. No roster limits at this point. Why not keep him up so you're not caught off guard by a freak situation? And with the Pens injury gnome infestation, a fluke and unexpected injury at a horribly inopportune time is something they're taking a very doomsday-prepper-like approach towards accounting for. With how much bad luck on the injury front they've had this year, caution & not just having a Plan B, but a Plan C, D and E is probably their mindset at this point.

Not really. Keeping 3 goalies on the roster is not uncommon in the playoffs. They don't wanna worry about a guy getting hurt in warmups & then not having an available backup on the bench in case of emergencies. No roster limits at this point. Why not keep him up so you're not caught off guard by a freak situation? And with the Pens injury gnome infestation, a fluke and unexpected injury at a horribly inopportune time is something they're taking a very doomsday-prepper-like approach towards accounting for. With how much bad luck on the injury front they've had this year, caution & not just having a Plan B, but a Plan C, D and E is probably their mindset at this point.
- ScienceJesus

cuz the wbs needs him down in the ahl?

cuz the wbs needs him down in the ahl?
- martox

NHL team is 100x more important than the AHL team.

For the gent who is glad power plays are down...if you enforce the rules and teams start giving up power plays right and left, teams will adjust and stop with the hooking, holding, interference and stick infractions. In the short run, there would be a huge spike in PP time, but it would eventually decrease, because the players would have no recourse but to not take penalties.
- Emperor Filonius

History has already proven that theory false. They called more penalties for a while. Then playoff hockey or whatever comes around and they let players play and then over time the old habits come back.

It is sort of like New Year Resolutions. They run the new way for a while, but eventually old habits between the players/refs re-assert themselves.

Not really. Keeping 3 goalies on the roster is not uncommon in the playoffs. They don't wanna worry about a guy getting hurt in warmups & then not having an available backup on the bench in case of emergencies. No roster limits at this point. Why not keep him up so you're not caught off guard by a freak situation? And with the Pens injury gnome infestation, a fluke and unexpected injury at a horribly inopportune time is something they're taking a very doomsday-prepper-like approach towards accounting for. With how much bad luck on the injury front they've had this year, caution & not just having a Plan B, but a Plan C, D and E is probably their mindset at this point.
- ScienceJesus

WBS has a playoff run to worry about too. Teams usually do not carry 3 healthy goalies in the playoffs. If there was an injury and Jarry needed to be called upon he could be from WBS to Pittsburgh very swiftly. The big club does need 2 goalies for practices though.

NHL team is 100x more important than the AHL team.
- j.boyd919

^^ this
With the freakishly awful injury luck the NHL team has had this year, I wouldn't even consider going with the bare-minimum of back-up/replacement players at any position this year. I'd be keeping about 10 D-men and about 22 forwards on the roster at this point. Screw what happens to WBS. I'm concerned about having enough players in case of an injury on the NHL roster.

37 goals for Skinner
- BINGO!

40 for Auston

WBS has a playoff run to worry about too. Teams usually do not carry 3 healthy goalies in the playoffs. If there was an injury and Jarry needed to be called upon he could be from WBS to Pittsburgh very swiftly. The big club does need 2 goalies for practices though.
- MattStrat

In normal years, yes. But with the injury plague that they've had this year, I would be worrying about a contingency for every potential issue short of (and depending on the day, maybe including) a freak meteor streak or a eye strain from looking at the sun for too long.

WBS has a playoff run to worry about too. Teams usually do not carry 3 healthy goalies in the playoffs. If there was an injury and Jarry needed to be called upon he could be from WBS to Pittsburgh very swiftly. The big club does need 2 goalies for practices though.
- MattStrat

When Murray came back last season, didn't they carry 3 tendies and scratch Zatkoff?

NHL team is 100x more important than the AHL team.
- j.boyd919

And letting your stud goalie prospect compete and win at the AHL level is more important to his development than sitting in the press box for the duration of the Stanley Cup playoffs IN CASE of a freak warmup injury.

If he's still on the roster come Wednesday morning, it means Murray is legitimately hurt.

NHL team is 100x more important than the AHL team.
- j.boyd919

oh I agree but why keep 3 goalies... if one gets hurt you can just call one up. also it is better for jarry to play and develop in the ahl playoffs than sit in the pressbox and rot away.

And letting your stud goalie prospect compete and win at the AHL level is more important to his development than sitting in the press box for the duration of the Stanley Cup playoffs IN CASE of a freak warmup injury.

If he's still on the roster come Wednesday morning, it means Murray is legitimately hurt.
- Yonk1216

So you value a goalie prospects development over a Stanley Cup run?

EDIT: Murray might be hurt, not saying he's not. But if he's good to go and they keep him up for insurance. I see no problem with that.

For the gent who is glad power plays are down...if you enforce the rules and teams start giving up power plays right and left, teams will adjust and stop with the hooking, holding, interference and stick infractions. In the short run, there would be a huge spike in PP time, but it would eventually decrease, because the players would have no recourse but to not take penalties.
- Emperor Filonius

I agree with both of you. I think PPs are boring and they interrupt the flow of the game. I also think players are adjusting their games to rules enforcement (by and large much less dirty play than there used to be). However, the league is constantly emphasizing certain rule enforcement from year to year while de-emphasizing others. It's maddening. They start emphasizing hooking (stick parallel to the ice) and free hand infractions but then they virtually ignore slashing (especially to the hands) and holding the stick. Even interference is being emphasized when a puck carrier is entering the zone but is virtually ignored everywhere else on the ice. Just start calling ALL penalties as they occur - the players will adjust and the game will improve.

Maybe scoring is down because fewer PPs are awarded. I like lower scoring games with fewer PPs. I appreciate good defense and goaltending. I don't appreciate scoring bonanza games because it usually means poor defense and/or goaltending (and I think the games are anticlamactic). But when I see blatant penalties occur right in front of the refs and they continually swallow their whistles, not only is it annoying but it makes me question the integrity of the outcome. The integrity of the outcome rises above all other concerns for me. I can live with 2-3 non-calls per game as refs aren't perfect. If there are 10+ non-calls, then I don't know if the better team won and the very premise of sport and competition is rendered irrelevant.

oh I agree but why keep 3 goalies... if one gets hurt you can just call one up. also it is better for jarry to play and develop in the ahl playoffs than sit in the pressbox and rot away.
- martox

Jarry played 45 games. His development is fine. Keeping him in the press box reduces risk of injury in the AHL playoffs, and leaves the Pens with insurance in case Murray gets hurt and/or Fleury gets playoff demons.

When Murray came back last season, didn't they carry 3 tendies and scratch Zatkoff?
- j.boyd919

Yes but Zatkoff was there in the first place because there was an injury to one of the goalies at start of the playoffs. That's the point I'm trying to make, that I think Murray is injured or a little banged up and thats why Jarry is sticking around right now.

EDIT: Did Zatkoff have a 2 way contract last year?

When Murray came back last season, didn't they carry 3 tendies and scratch Zatkoff?
- j.boyd919

Yes... but Zatkoff was never coming back so who cares about his mentality and game.... Jarry is a completely different situation IMO

Yes but Zatkoff was there in the first place because there was an injury to one of the goalies at start of the playoffs. That's the point I'm trying to make, that I think Murray is injured or a little banged up and thats why Jarry is sticking around right now.

EDIT: Did Zatkoff have a 2 way contract last year?
- MattStrat

Not sure about his contract, and I'm not trying to speculate on if Murray is hurt or not. But in my opinion, if he's not and Jarry sits in the press box... I am completely okay with that.

Calling stricter penalties wouldn't keep players from obstruction? Thus making the game faster? Pretty sure more penalties would change the behavior.
- j.boyd919

It did for a while but then certain NHL owners complained and asked that more be let go, and it has turned into what we have today.

You can probably guess which owners were the prime offenders and bellyachers.

That's fantastic
- robin_steele264

Thank you.

I wonder how he'd actually feel if the Oil had beat the Canes for the cup...
- MattStrat

Probably the same.

I'm a closet Flames fan.

I read the title as Sidney Crosby's Richard being impressive.

I read the title as Sidney Crosby's Richard being impressive.
- Aetherial

It's a genitationally talented one.