I think they're about the same. Andersen is older, but only has ~1,500 more minutes than Lehner.
- Wetbandit1

I think you're flat out wrong on this one

I liked Biron too but I didn't see enough of him with the Sabres to have an opinion on his time here
- chilliard77

I grew up watching Hasek and the transition to Biron. I even remember Ryan Miller's first game (he let in like 5 goals) and I thought "Damn, he's gonna be good."

So I should have actually been much harder on and biased toward Biron, but I (frank)ing loved him. The guy played well beyond his level on several bad Sabres teams. I was one of the few who wanted to trade Miller for a King's Ransom instead of Biron.

What did we actually get out of Miller? 1 Vezina/President's season and if you're American, a silver (second place) medal on one of the softest goals ever scored. Also, at least 1 soft goal, glove-side, per game. He was the king of the 59 minute shutout.

Miller was a good, sometimes great goalie. Biron was also a good, sometimes great goalie. It's a wash, to me. When Miller had the broken finger that one season, Biron was possibly the best goalie in the league during that stretch. I think the conclusion is that the team would have been good regardless of goaltending during the Briere/Drury years.

Afinogenov and Biron are my all-time favorite Sabres, so maybe I'm being kind of a homer but Miller's worth is over-valued while Biron's is under-valued by Sabres fans.

Weren't we rumored​ to get him at first lol
- GERBE!!!75PTS

I don't remember, but Talbot, Lehner, and Lack were the 3 goalies rumored that summer

Guhle is going to be a beast for us.
- RhinoFan

Yep ..

I don't remember, but Talbot, Lehner, and Lack were the 3 goalies rumored that summer
- chilliard77

http://www.wkbw.com/sport...-in-goaltender-eddie-lack


Apparently we were favorites

https://www.hockeyfeed.co...rges-for-eddie-lack-trade

Oh, FFS...
- Wetbandit1

What? Look at the goalies in the playoffs.

Random group of guys who have come from nowhere besides a few.

You build your team first, then add a goalie. Not the reverse

I grew up watching Hasek and the transition to Biron. I even remember Ryan Miller's first game (he let in like 5 goals) and I thought "Damn, he's gonna be good."

So I should have actually been much harder on and biased toward Biron, but I (frank)ing loved him. The guy played well beyond his level on several bad Sabres teams. I was one of the few who wanted to trade Miller for a King's Ransom instead of Biron.

What did we actually get out of Miller? 1 Vezina/President's season and if you're American, a silver (second place) medal on one of the softest goals ever scored. Also, at least 1 soft goal, glove-side, per game. He was the king of the 59 minute shutout.

Miller was a good, sometimes great goalie. Biron was also a good, sometimes great goalie. It's a wash, to me. When Miller had the broken finger that one season, Biron was possibly the best goalie in the league during that stretch. I think the conclusion is that the team would have been good regardless of goaltending during the Briere/Drury years.

Afinogenov and Biron are my all-time favorite Sabres, so maybe I'm being kind of a homer but Miller's worth is over-valued while Biron's is under-valued by Sabres fans.
- BeadyEyedDouche

I feel like a lot of Sabres fans under appreciate Miller. That Crosby goal killed my soul but he was still a great goalie

I think you're flat out wrong on this one
- chilliard77

To quote Fitz "100% WRONG"

What? Look at the goalies in the playoffs.

Random group of guys who have come from nowhere besides a few.

You build your team first, then add a goalie. Not the reverse
- sbroads24

That's not even remotely my point.

I feel like a lot of Sabres fans under appreciate Miller. That Crosby goal killed my soul but he was still a great goalie
- chilliard77

And he carried that whole team without him they wouldn't even have been in the final game

I grew up watching Hasek and the transition to Biron. I even remember Ryan Miller's first game (he let in like 5 goals) and I thought "Damn, he's gonna be good."

So I should have actually been much harder on and biased toward Biron, but I (frank)ing loved him. The guy played well beyond his level on several bad Sabres teams. I was one of the few who wanted to trade Miller for a King's Ransom instead of Biron.

What did we actually get out of Miller? 1 Vezina/President's season and if you're American, a silver (second place) medal on one of the softest goals ever scored. Also, at least 1 soft goal, glove-side, per game. He was the king of the 59 minute shutout.

Miller was a good, sometimes great goalie. Biron was also a good, sometimes great goalie. It's a wash, to me. When Miller had the broken finger that one season, Biron was possibly the best goalie in the league during that stretch. I think the conclusion is that the team would have been good regardless of goaltending during the Briere/Drury years.

Afinogenov and Biron are my all-time favorite Sabres, so maybe I'm being kind of a homer but Miller's worth is over-valued while Biron's is under-valued by Sabres fans.
- BeadyEyedDouche

I don't know about trading Miller over Biron, but the part about Miller letting in soft goals toward the ends of the game, spot on. The only reason we didn't have a problem with it 05-07 was because that team could come back from ANYTHING it seemed and typically Miller got a ton of goal support. Those teams hung him out to dry on odd man rushes as well because of their style. But it was problematic when the soft goals continued on past that style.

That stretch for Biron, he was lights out. Then he got injured and Mika Norenen had to step in and had a Hasek like save where he just swung his leg up in the air. That was hilarious.

Anyway, I've got better things to do, like put ointment on my anal fissures...

Anyway, I've got better things to do, like put ointment on my anal fissures...
- Wetbandit1

You act like you're kidding but I bet you're secretly telling the truth

That's not even remotely my point.
- Wetbandit1

I know what your point was. You listed backup goalies that have equal or better #'s than the starters.

Difference is those teams developed their starters, not paid an arm for them

You act like you're kidding but I bet you're secretly telling the truth
- chilliard77

Guilty

And he carried that whole team without him they wouldn't even have been in the final game
- GERBE!!!75PTS

But in typical Miller fashion the soft goal broke the team's back.

He reminded me of a slightly better under pressure guy than Tony Romo.

He didn't quite fold like a lawn chair, maybe more like a futon. It took more effort but eventually, it folds.

I know what your point was. You listed backup goalies that have equal or better #'s than the starters.

Difference is those teams developed their starters, not paid an arm for them
- sbroads24

No, that's was just a retort to your post. My point is Lehner is better, in some cases, much better than what he's given credit for.

People are caught up in what we paid for him. And that definitely matters, but to not give a guy credit who has done nothing but post good numbers since he's been here just because a GM "overpaid" for him is asinine. He had nothing to do with it.

Anyway, I've got better things to do, like put ointment on my anal fissures...
- Wetbandit1

I want to see

2-0 kucherov

No, that's was just a retort to your post. My point is Lehner is better, in some cases, much better than what he's given credit for.

People are caught up in what we paid for him. And that definitely matters, but to not give a guy credit who has done nothing but post good numbers since he's been here just because a GM "overpaid" for him is asinine. He had nothing to do with it.
- Wetbandit1

Please tell me you washed your hands prior to typing that if in fact you did what you said you were going to.

I want to see
- GERBE!!!75PTS

edit: this is the closest emoji to the face I made after reading this

- chilliard77

You weren't the one that connected with him on what you whippersnappers call snapchat did you?

You weren't the one that connected with him on what you whippersnappers call snapchat did you?
- gcomella34

Fortunately I was not

Please tell me you washed your hands prior to typing that if in fact you did what you said you were going to.
- gcomella34

Ew, bare hands? I'm not a barbarian. I use gloves, man.

Edit: I use gloves to clean my cats litter box. If I were to stick a finger up my butt, I'd probably wear 3 gloves and then stick my hand in acid afterward.

edit: this is the closest emoji to the face I made after reading this
- chilliard77

Unfortunately I went, "Yep, that sounds about right."