Those guys are really why their teams are in the playoffs though. As much as some would want Crosby to win I'm thinking he's had more help than those guys did.
- dragonoffrost

admittedly i'm biased but the pens have been a graveyard this year. every year people use quality of teammate as detriment to his case but this year i really don't know who has done more with less.

ultimately i do think mcdavid has separated enough at the end here that it probably won't matter, and should he get it there really shouldnt be an uproar

The coach has viewed them more as 3rd line players rather than as 4th line role players. Right or wrong.
- MJL

You realize that's not an excuse for them sitting out while an inferior player is on the ice, right? Read in particular is a better player than VdV in every aspect of the game, ES, PP and PK. If he's not in good enough form to be in the top 9, he can still contribute on the 4th line.

The coach views Voracek as a 1st line player, but he doesn't scratch him when he plays poorly judged against that standard.

Dude, you are consistent.
- mickel25

So youve got nothing? You're right I am consistent.

The coach has viewed them more as 3rd line players rather than as 4th line role players. Right or wrong.
- MJL

Ok last question. Assuming the Flyers do not resign CV and all other forwards are back. You wouldn't have Raffl and Read with Bellemare next year?

TK-G-Voracek
Weal-Fil-Simmonds
Schenn-Coots-Weise
Raffl-Bellemare-Read

You realize that's not an excuse for them sitting out while an inferior player is on the ice, right?

The coach views Voracek as a 1st line player, but he doesn't scratch him when he plays poorly judged against that standard.
- Feanor

He drops him to the third or fourth line... A two line demotion.

Where is two lines down from a third line role.... oh yeah... Cote Suite.

Dude has been a stud this season.
- dragonoffrost

Still wouldn't want him on the Flyers

Ok last question. Assuming the Flyers do not resign CV and all other forwards are back. You wouldn't have Raffl and Read with Bellemare next year?

TK-G-Voracek
Weal-Fil-Simmonds
Schenn-Coots-Weise
Raffl-Bellemare-Read
- mickel25

One of those 2 probably heads to Vegas

You realize that's not an excuse for them sitting out while an inferior player is on the ice, right?

The coach views Voracek as a 1st line player, but he doesn't scratch him when he plays poorly judged against that standard.
- Feanor

Maybe in terms.of talent but again the coach doesn't view Vandevelde as inferior for the qualities he wants on the ice in that role. Right or wrong. Vandevelde has played well relative to his ability. He's just a limited player.

Still wouldn't want him on the Flyers
- Scoob

I'd take him but when he pulls his douchebag stuff I'd call him on it.

Kinda like I called Weise for his boarding of Palmieri.

Ok last question. Assuming the Flyers do not resign CV and all other forwards are back. You wouldn't have Raffl and Read with Bellemare next year?

TK-G-Voracek
Weal-Fil-Simmonds
Schenn-Coots-Weise
Raffl-Bellemare-Read
- mickel25

I think that would make a strong 4th line.

So youve got nothing? You're right I am consistent.
- MJL

I don't have time for CV anymore in my life.

Bottom line you are fine with a talentless player playing every game thus far. I am not fine with that.

If you want to call that a "win" have at it homey.

He drops him to the third or fourth line... A two line demotion.

Where is two lines down from a third line role.... oh yeah... Cote Suite.
- dragonoffrost

This argument has 3rd stage of VDV grief written all over it

This argument has 3rd stage of VDV grief written all over it
- YuenglingJagr

I'm not a member of the VDVFanclub. I just see how coach works.

PEB and VDV are his bois

I'm not a member of the VDVFanclub. I just see how coach works.
- dragonoffrost

LOL yes that is what we have said the last two years...he works by playing a guy who isn't as good as others he could play

I think that would make a strong 4th line.
- MJL

Agreed. Wow. This must be what a tie feels like.

So youve got nothing? You're right I am consistent.
- MJL

You are fine with a talentless player being on the roster. I am not.

If you want to call that a "win" have at it homey.

I sometimes wonder how people on here act in real life.

Like, let's say a certain someone likes to nitpick posts to start confrontations when there aren't any, gives vague replies so that he can weasel his way out of being wrong, refuses to admit he's wrong, and when evidence is given contrary to his belief, it is dimsmissed and/or he says it's irrelevant...I just wonder what kind of hell that person's wife must live in.

Obviously I'm talking about you, stayinthefnnet.

I sometimes wonder how people on here act in real life.

Like, let's say a certain someone likes to nitpick posts to start confrontations when there aren't any, gives vague replies so that he can weasel his way out of being wrong, refuses to admit he's wrong, and when evidence is given contrary to his belief, it is dimsmissed and/or he says it's irrelevant...I just wonder what kind of hell that person's wife must live in.

Obviously I'm talking about you, stayinthefnnet.
- jmatchett383

I didn't know stayinthefnnet was into that kinda stuff

I didn't know stayinthefnnet was into that kinda stuff
- YuenglingJagr

Yeah, I worded that part poorly.

I don't actually look like PK Subban dressed up as Jaromir Jagr in real life, if anyone was wondering

Ok last question. Assuming the Flyers do not resign CV and all other forwards are back. You wouldn't have Raffl and Read with Bellemare next year?

TK-G-Voracek
Weal-Fil-Simmonds
Schenn-Coots-Weise
Raffl-Bellemare-Read
- mickel25

I gotta believe that Vec has the inside shot at 4th line center. Also believe that Lindblom makes the squad.

TK-G-Voracek
Schenn-Couts-Simmer
Lindblom-Flip-Weal
Raffl-Vech-Weise/Belle

I gotta believe that Vec has the inside shot at 4th line center.
- jak521

Yeah I forgot about him. I am sure one of Raffl, Read or Weise won't be here either.

Yeah I forgot about him. I am sure one of Raffl, Read or Weise won't be here either.
- mickel25

see above

I gotta believe that Vec has the inside shot at 4th line center. Also believe that Lindblom makes the squad.

TK-G-Voracek
Schenn-Couts-Simmer
Lindblom-Flip-Weal
Raffl-Vech-Weise/Belle
- jak521

Seems like a talented group.

Wait I'm confused.

Since we always assume the following are true:

1.) The Flyers never make mistakes in terms of personnel decisions over the long-term.

2.) The amount of ice time a player receives is directly commensurate with their ability and value to the team.


Why is a player that has been consistently in the lineup over the last three seasons a healthy scratch? Obviously, because he was in the lineup for that long he is obviously a solid NHL player for the role he was playing. Did that suddenly change?