what is worse

E. Kane at 6 per

or Myers at 5.5 per
- homiedclown

One isn't any worse than the other. Neither makes you a championship contender.

Based on this year, Myers is worse. Based on career, Kane would be worse.
- sbroads24

based on last 2 years

who is worse?

Yes they can
- SABRES 89

Not if you want to win a cup you can't.

One isn't any worse than the other. Neither makes you a championship contender.
- buffalofan19

kane is playing well enough on 5 on 5 for this team to be closer to the leafs than the devils IMO

he is not a top 4 on this team

no way pysyk leapfrogs bogo or risto for our top 4


the difference between falk, a cheap free agent we signed and pysyk is minimal at best
- homiedclown

Ditto Fedun.

based on last 2 years

who is worse?
- homiedclown

Myers. Because this year he didn't even play.

For the record, I like the player, but don't want him back.
He's good in a north south system like WPG, and has a great start, but he'd be a wreck here IMO

based on last 2 years

who is worse?
- homiedclown

We can't score on Halak, the same guy that got sent down for what 20 games or so ? what a joke. The whole team stinks.

Myers. Because this year he didn't even play.

For the record, I like the player, but don't want him back.
He's good in a north south system like WPG, and has a great start, but he'd be a wreck here IMO
- sbroads24

This whole team is a wreck but i'd still take Myers and Kane here.

I mentioned this before, and I forgot where I saw/heard it, but the Chicago Blackhawks have one 3 cups in seven seasons and are a strong contender for the Cup this year. Most would believe they are the best team in the last decade. In their three cup runs, there are only six players that were part of all three teams: Kane, Toews, Hossa, Keith, Seabrook, and Hjalmarrsson. Everybody else has been moved in and out, including some very good players (but not great ones).

The Blackhawks have shown that you can really only afford to keep six players tied up for an extended period of time. The rest of the team you need to make interchangable. Assuming that the goal is to build a championship caliber team for an extended period of time, which it should be, who are the Sabres six? Eichel would be one. Ristolainen would be another. O'Reilly and Okposo are already locked up, so unless you move them (not saying you should or shouldn't), that leaves two spots. This defense as constructed is a tire fire, so you have to get at least one more defenseman that's worth locking up (from where, I don't know). By locking up Kane to a long term deal, you are making him that sixth guy. This doesn't even begin to ask the question of what to do with Sam Reinhart.

The question you need to ask is: does that make you a championship caliber team? Do we really see this team winning a cup with a core of Eichel, O'Reilly, Kane, Okposo, Ristolainen, and even the best defenseman in the league (take your pick...getting him is out of the question, but let's use him anyway for poops and giggles)? I don't. Kane is a luxury type of player for an already solidly built team. He's one you add when you already have a solidly built team. I would argue Okposo is as well, but they already have him locked up for quite a while. The team has too many holes for luxury players right now. The reality is that you can't afford to lock up Kane and expect to become Cup contender, not with the way this team is constructed right now.
- buffalofan19

I agree with your point but not the magic number of 6, especially with them now paying two guys $10M each.

That said, I wouldn't pay Kane either as the defense needs help so badly that he's a logical fit as a trade piece.

I think we'd all rather trade Kane then Reinhart, almost based on salary and age alone, if one of them had to go for a quality D man.

This whole team is a wreck but i'd still take Myers and Kane here.
- SABRES 89

I'd take him back for free, but not someone I'd pursue.

I don't mind Kane being here. He's been fine this year. I just wouldn't give him a big extension

They had to move them eventually though. The goal is to become a perennial contender. You don't do that with Kane. You might be able to if you didn't have O'Reilly and Okposo locked up already. It might fit next year, and maybe even year or two after, but eventually, you will have to get out from under that contract. Like sbroads said, $6 million for 45 points isn't worth needing to get out from under ever, regardless of how much his hardnosed play makes the blue collar fanbase feel better about itself.

People like to point to the "market" and what it will pay for a player like Kane. However, people don't seem to realize that the same "market" is set by teams that are mediocre or worse. If Evander Kane were on the Blackhawks right now, under the same contract situation, Chicago wouldn't think twice, and let him walk (or trade him before his contract runs out), off ice shenanigans or no off ice shenanigans.
- buffalofan19

the object should be to get to the promised land first and worry about the "perennial" stuff later...

you don't let your best players walk...kane leads the team in goals, and he's one of the better scorers 5v5 in the league...he's a powerforward the likes of which we haven't seen in buffalo in decades...if he likes it here and is willing to be reasonable with his demands, why create another hole by moving him?

Not if you want to win a cup you can't.
- buffalofan19

Isn't the hope that the core players would include Reinhart, meaning the next two years would show serious development from him, meaning Kane could go as part of a D for an impact D man?

Ditto Fedun.
- kingcong39

he is a lefty though, which IMO is an upgrade over kulikov or gorges

god we suck on D

I agree with your point but not the magic number of 6, especially with them now paying two guys $10M each.

That said, I wouldn't pay Kane either as the defense needs help so badly that he's a logical fit as a trade piece.

I think we'd all rather trade Kane then Reinhart, almost based on salary and age alone, if one of them had to go for a quality D man.
- kingcong39

Eichel is going to cost a hell of a lot. Even if the premise of two $10 million holds true, you also have to consider the fact if you make Kane that, you are already forward heavy in this scenario. You also need defensemen worth keeping long term. They have one. McCabe is okay, but not someone I would lock up for more than 3 years at a time.

he is a lefty though, which IMO is an upgrade over kulikov or gorges

god we suck on D
- homiedclown

sure they do, but the focus for murray since he came here was to bolster the forward ranks...methinks he may have gone a tad overboard, but that was his focus from day-1, and I think that they have five of their top-six on the team right now

decent d-zone work from CJ

Blah

the object should be to get to the promised land first and worry about the "perennial" stuff later...

you don't let your best players walk...kane leads the team in goals, and he's one of the better scorers 5v5 in the league...he's a powerforward the likes of which we haven't seen in buffalo in decades...if he likes it here and is willing to be reasonable with his demands, why create another hole by moving him?
- Michael Pachla

Because he's a luxury. You can add Kane type players at the deadline every year. Championship teams do it all the time. What Kane is doing, while good, is not spectacular. He's nowhere near irreplaceable, even at his best, which has been for only half a season.

Even if you take your Shattenkirk and Kane scenario, it still doesn't make this team a championship contender.

he is a lefty though, which IMO is an upgrade over kulikov or gorges

god we suck on D
- homiedclown

Because he's a luxury. You can add Kane type players at the deadline every year. Championship teams do it all the time. What Kane is doing, while good, is not spectacular. He's nowhere near irreplaceable, even at his best, which has been for only half a season.
- buffalofan19

please do the research and find a player like kane who was a rental traded at the deadline

Dammit its games like this that really make me miss the old ennis.

Dammit its games like this that really make me miss the old ennis.
- Sabresfan-365

He doesn't get the injury excuse like Bogosian or Kane

please do the research and find a player like kane who was a rental traded at the deadline
- Michael Pachla

Without looking, the Sabres did it with Dainius Zubrus in 2006-2007.

He doesn't get the injury excuse like Bogosian or Kane
- chilliard77

what does ennis do anymore?

please do the research and find a player like kane who was a rental traded at the deadline
- Michael Pachla

Guys who score 40 points? Every year