I go back to it because it's pretty relevant. You also fail to mention that team was overhauled at TDL that year in unison with Sullivan. It's a combination of so many things which I'm not sure you are getting...but it is what it is. Just adding Sullivan is not what won PIT that cup...not even close actually.

And if you go back and look at the rosters of CHI an LA over the past 5 years you can also see how impactful the GM's were in those rosters. It wasn't just Quenville and Sutter that won them cups. Again...a combination of a great many things which really begins and ends with the roster the coach is given to work with.

I will agree with you somewhat that WD has failed to adapt in a few different situations. Having said that since his first season the roster has gotten worse and worse and more stale. Expecting him to coach himself out of those situations to me anyways is an unrealistic notion.
- LordHumungous

and they were winning prior to the TDL too. I do see that kessel was a good addition that helped them too. There are various factors yes. Sullivan was 1 of them, an important 1.

a roster helps by giving a coach strengths to utilize but not the be all and and all either. An NHL team doesnt win without a supreme coach

adaption is everything to winning in the playoffs.

The coach thing doesnt matter until the roster is 100% turned over.. The team is not good especially the vets... Like where would this team be if Bo, Sven and Granlund didnt all improve as much as they did?? Then add tryamkind and stetcher on D.

Hopefully the sedins pull a burrows and let us move them at the deadline. Then if they want to come back(which I hope doesnt happen) its for 1 year deals at 1 million per.

All your trying to do is keep an argument going with Dragon......do your really feel the plight of this team is all on the players and that WD has done nothing wrong?

Hey man I like a jazzy too but that poope must really strong!
- Kaynine

Yes I feel it's the players.
No, I don't think Willie is flawless.

Yes I feel it's the players.
No, I don't think Willie is flawless.
- Marwood

- Codes1087

May want to check out that AHL playoff roster and see where all the players are now.

May want to check out that AHL playoff roster and see where all the players are now.
- manvanfan

the hall of fame?

Sounds like a keeper.

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- Pres.cup

thats funny lol.

ya shes been a good chick for sure. Keeps going like this and I may get rid of some of the other girls...at least some anyways

thats funny lol.

ya shes been a good chick for sure. Keeps going like this and I may get rid of some of the other girls...at least some anyways
- SMBDragon

So you are in the medical profession how is it you are able to manage all the chicks??

thats funny lol.

ya shes been a good chick for sure. Keeps going like this and I may get rid of some of the other girls...at least some anyways
- SMBDragon

You're such a f*cking misogynist pig.

It's ironic that our 3 previous coaches are all in the playoffs on different teams.

Sullivan - PIT
AV - NYR
Torts - CBJ

Common denominator is NOT the coach that is wrong with this team. It is the players. Is Willy to blame for some weird decisions regarding deployment/roster/lines etc... Yes I would say a fair bit is on his hands, but the fact still remains that we have a poopy team and you would be hard pressed to find a coach who could turn around this stale roster
- Codes1087

Not sure if its fair to compare sullivan as his role here was assistant coach under torts and won the cup as HC with no torts

this is a very polarizing topic
can we all agree its 50% coach and 50% players then?

Attention Dragon.
- Marwood

some posters dont see things the same. SO what?

Its polarizing this topic and the sides are far apart. We should all just agree its 6 of one 1/2 dozen of the other

Not sure if its fair to compare sullivan as his role here was assistant coach under torts and won the cup as HC with no torts

this is a very polarizing topic
can we all agree its 50% coach and 50% players then?
- SMBDragon

frank no it's 52.5% players and 47.5% coaching

the hall of fame?
- CanuckDon

http://www.hockeydb.com/i...ons/teams/0054192014.html

Doesn't look like he really helped anyone considering Colton Scviouer is probably the best younger player right now from that team. A lot of the younger players 4 years on barely have 150 games under their belts.

Willy took us to the playoffs with those 6-8 more wins, and how did that go over?
- Codes1087

because he failed to adapt

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/leagues/seasons/teams/0054192014.html

Doesn't look like he really helped anyone considering Colton Scviouer is probably the best younger player right now from that team. A lot of the younger players 4 years on barely have 150 games under their belts.
- manvanfan

I suspect most of the calder cup winning teams are heavy on veteran plugs that aren't real prospects. Utica was great two years ago and they didn't have any decent prospects.

All your trying to do is keep an argument going with Dragon......do your really feel the plight of this team is all on the players and that WD has done nothing wrong?

Hey man I like a jazzy too but that poope must really strong!
- Kaynine

the side that feels its the roster seem to specify its 100% the roster. Thats unrealistic.

you just filled my mouth with a bunch of poop about each coach that I never said. I never once pulled any cards saying anything close to what you just assumed.

My point was, 3 former coaches having success who DIDN'T have success with our current roster. People harping on Willy but don't see the other side of the argument that MAYBE, just MAYBE, it has something to do with the players he is coaching as well. I have no idea where your breakdown of each coach comes from.
- Codes1087

My breakdown of the coaches is reality. I can't help you can't see it. There isn't one person in here that thought Torts was the right coach and did a good job here.

Hey I'm not saying this roster is good, because it isn't. But to reference former coaches having success on other team as part of your argument is wrong. AV is a solid coach, Torts has changed how he approaches the players and is having success because of it and Sullivan, look at the team.

I'm not on here saying this is all on WD, because it isn't.....but he is part of it. And unfortunately to move forward you can't fire all the players to make a change.

you just filled my mouth with a bunch of poop about each coach that I never said. I never once pulled any cards saying anything close to what you just assumed.

My point was, 3 former coaches having success who DIDN'T have success with our current roster. People harping on Willy but don't see the other side of the argument that MAYBE, just MAYBE, it has something to do with the players he is coaching as well. I have no idea where your breakdown of each coach comes from.
- Codes1087

there has never been a time Ive said it was 100% coaching, ever. Historically Ive even said lets halve the blame

So if its multi faceted in blame then fix areas. It takes time to fix a roster. Changing the coach fixes 50% of the problem however. Thats a big jump.
Lets say we happen to get that right coach that gets more out of certain players....we are further along. Thats one reason why you change it now

I suspect most of the calder cup winning teams are heavy on veteran plugs that aren't real prospects. Utica was great two years ago and they didn't have any decent prospects.
- CanuckDon

ugh Brendan Gaunce, Sven Baertschi.

frank no it's 52.5% players and 47.5% coaching
- CanuckDon

I suspect most of the calder cup winning teams are heavy on veteran plugs that aren't real prospects. Utica was great two years ago and they didn't have any decent prospects.
- CanuckDon

True statement!

frank no it's 52.5% players and 47.5% coaching
- CanuckDon

this is a realistic post

ugh Brendan Gaunce, Sven Baertschi.
- manvanfan

Right, Sven was a good prospect. Gaunce... one solid prospect on the entire roster. Hutton never played

May want to check out that AHL playoff roster and see where all the players are now.
- manvanfan

calder cup is a calder cup

You're such a f*cking misogynist pig.
- Marwood

no actually Im not

you on the other hand are such a supreme loser, coming here daily to malign people and pick fights. You must get punched out a lot in real life, if you have the balls to act like that in real life and not hide behind a keyboard because youre a zero