Gotcha. What do people think of Liljegren?
- nucks_94

He sucks

Gotcha. What do people think of Liljegren?
- nucks_94

I think he will go top 3. If you look at depth all the teams in the bottom 5-6-7 need dmen in a huge way. If coyotes win the lottery I could see him going 1.

If we end up with him or one of the top 4 centers im thrilled. Which means we will pick 6

He sucks
- CanuckDon

I don't know why but this made me laugh harder than it probably should have

I don't know why but this made me laugh harder than it probably should have
- nucks_94

I'd be pretty disappointed if we select a D in the top 5 in back-back years Plus he has many similarities to Juolevi. Probably slightly better offensively but worse in his own end and he will be smaller once Juolevi fills out.

I'd be pretty disappointed if we select a D in the top 5 in back-back years Plus he has many similarities to Juolevi. Probably slightly better offensively but worse in his own end and he will be smaller once Juolevi fills out.
- CanuckDon

Okay... but that is very different to "he sucks"

Okay... but that is very different to "he sucks"
- nucks_94

indeed I am only half way done my coffee so some posts will be disappointing

He still got over 100 points his first season here, with a team that missed the playoffs the year before.
- golfingsince

After that first year I was really happy with what WD did. He came in and rolled 4 lines, he deployed those lines where they were still fresh late in games and late in the season. The PP was ranked top 10, the PK was top 3. He coached this teams to its strengths but then after that year things went down hill.

Year 2 and 3 he didn't roll 4 lines and played the crap out of the Sedins, which he took heat in the playoffs the year before for not playing them enough. He didnt make adjustments to his PP and PK and teams adapted and both year 2 and 3 we were/are terrible with special teams. His unwillingness to adapt and change up his tactics killed this team.

I know that this roster isn't great and we have experienced a lot of injurys over the last couple of years but those are not excuses for not being able to adapt and change. This year was about approving our defensive system because we don't have the talent, well when you are allowing 40 shots a game, you don't have a defensive system. That's a team that has stopped playing for the coach.

Calder cup is not junior. Its actually a pretty commendable accomplishment.
- Codes1087

when its the stanley cup you are competing against the top coaches in the world. He's not in that class period

you mention sullivan....you do realize he won the cup last season right? willie wont ever be winning no cup.

sullivan was on the hawks the previous year when they won the cup. In the interview post game he mentioned how much he learned about coaching from that staff and how much he learned about winning. Thats the difference between him and the others in that group
- SMBDragon

The same of Sullivan was said here when he took over for Torts when Torts was suspended. Pretty easy to win cups with a roster that includes Crosby Malkin Letang etc etc etc... we've never had that kind of roster here yet. Every coach whether an assistant or head coach goes through learning curves. Sullivan was also very lucky to inherit what may have been considered to be the best roster in Hockey last year. There's no way you can predict that Willie won't be part of a championship NHL club based on 3 years of experience so far. You'll never admit it but he is learning just like many other coaches have... success or failure not withstanding. He may have success somewhere else or it may be here if MNGT decides to keep him. No way anyone can predict otherwise.

After that first year I was really happy with what WD did. He came in and rolled 4 lines, he deployed those lines where they were still fresh late in games and late in the season. The PP was ranked top 10, the PK was top 3. He coached this teams to its strengths but then after that year things went down hill.

Year 2 and 3 he didn't roll 4 lines and played the crap out of the Sedins, which he took heat in the playoffs the year before for not playing them enough. He didnt make adjustments to his PP and PK and teams adapted and both year 2 and 3 we were/are terrible with special teams. His unwillingness to adapt and change up his tactics killed this team.

I know that this roster isn't great and we have experienced a lot of injurys over the last couple of years but those are not excuses for not being able to adapt and change. This year was about approving our defensive system because we don't have the talent, well when you are allowing 40 shots a game, you don't have a defensive system. That's a team that has stopped playing for the coach.
- Kaynine

Im with you there brother

ANyone know where spencer foo is supposed to be signing? Just announced today he wont be going back to school. He was one of the college free agents I was hoping we would land.

I'd be pretty disappointed if we select a D in the top 5 in back-back years Plus he has many similarities to Juolevi. Probably slightly better offensively but worse in his own end and he will be smaller once Juolevi fills out.
- CanuckDon

Most compare him to drew doughty. I have zero issue with adding that to our prospect pool.

ANyone know where spencer foo is supposed to be signing? Just announced today he wont be going back to school. He was one of the college free agents I was hoping we would land.
- mauryballstein

He said yesterday that he will decide this summer.

The same of Sullivan was said here when he took over for Torts when Torts was suspended. Pretty easy to win cups with a roster that includes Crosby Malkin Letang etc etc etc... we've never had that kind of roster here yet. Every coach whether an assistant or head coach goes through learning curves. Sullivan was also very lucky to inherit what may have been considered to be the best roster in Hockey last year. There's no way you can predict that Willie won't be part of a championship NHL club based on 3 years of experience so far. You'll never admit it but he is learning just like many other coaches have... success or failure not withstanding. He may have success somewhere else or it may be here if MNGT decides to keep him. No way anyone can predict otherwise.
- LordHumungous

I really dont see willie learning anything. Ive yet to see those rays of sunshine.
Even in his interviews previous to season 1 he says he's extremely stubborn with making any changes. You cant win in the nhl like that.

I was looking forward to willie when he was hired. By season end Id seen enough. By end of last season it was all I could take.

Yes we need a dominant 1C. We do. We also need willie replaced with better. Pearns can go too

The same of Sullivan was said here when he took over for Torts when Torts was suspended. Pretty easy to win cups with a roster that includes Crosby Malkin Letang etc etc etc... we've never had that kind of roster here yet. Every coach whether an assistant or head coach goes through learning curves. Sullivan was also very lucky to inherit what may have been considered to be the best roster in Hockey last year. There's no way you can predict that Willie won't be part of a championship NHL club based on 3 years of experience so far. You'll never admit it but he is learning just like many other coaches have... success or failure not withstanding. He may have success somewhere else or it may be here if MNGT decides to keep him. No way anyone can predict otherwise.
- LordHumungous

Lord, you keep going back to that. Yet certain coaches the pens had had them losing and missing playoffs. Then a change was made and the new coach wins them a cup. Same great players. You keep forgetting that.

He said yesterday that he will decide this summer.
- Kaynine

cheers

you mention sullivan....you do realize he won the cup last season right? willie wont ever be winning no cup.

sullivan was on the hawks the previous year when they won the cup. In the interview post game he mentioned how much he learned about coaching from that staff and how much he learned about winning. Thats the difference between him and the others in that group
- SMBDragon

Hey buddy, how was your rub 'n tug yesterday?

Most compare him to drew doughty. I have zero issue with adding that to our prospect pool.
- mauryballstein

and we have heard Juolevi compared to Lidstrom He isn't a Doughty. Granted, my viewings are limited to a few select games and youtube highlights but I haven't been impressed. I think he is a good prospect but I would prefer Nico, Patrick, Vilardi, Mittelstad or Makar. Maybe Necas or Petterson

and we have heard Juolevi compared to Lidstrom He isn't a Doughty. Granted, my viewings are limited to a few select games and youtube highlights but I haven't been impressed. I think he is a good prospect but I would prefer Nico, Patrick, Vilardi, Mittelstad or Makar. Maybe Necas or Petterson
- CanuckDon

OJ is no lidstrom, lets hope so though

Makar scares me way more because it sounds like he is a subban in his own end. Where as liljegrin is actually some what able to play in his own zone. From what Ive read anyway.

If JB is making the pick and NOT FA then im totally fine with whoever he picks in the top 10 as long as its not tolvanen

The same of Sullivan was said here when he took over for Torts when Torts was suspended. Pretty easy to win cups with a roster that includes Crosby Malkin Letang etc etc etc... we've never had that kind of roster here yet. Every coach whether an assistant or head coach goes through learning curves. Sullivan was also very lucky to inherit what may have been considered to be the best roster in Hockey last year. There's no way you can predict that Willie won't be part of a championship NHL club based on 3 years of experience so far. You'll never admit it but he is learning just like many other coaches have... success or failure not withstanding. He may have success somewhere else or it may be here if MNGT decides to keep him. No way anyone can predict otherwise.
- LordHumungous

It is never easy to win a cup, period. With that similar roster the Pens went 7 years before winning another cup.

WD is not a stupid guy, he will learn from this experience. If he doesn't then he won't coach in the NHL for long.

when its the stanley cup you are competing against the top coaches in the world. He's not in that class period
- SMBDragon

I give credit where credit is due. Its an accomplishment, whether you give him credit or not.

OJ is no lidstrom, lets hope so though

Makar scares me way more because it sounds like he is a subban in his own end. Where as liljegrin is actually some what able to play in his own zone. From what Ive read anyway.

If JB is making the pick and NOT FA then im totally fine with whoever he picks in the top 10 as long as its not tolvanen
- mauryballstein

Yes, Makar certainly carries some risk. I'll be ok with anyone other than Tolvanen and Rasmussen.

Hey buddy, how was your rub 'n tug yesterday?
- Marwood

no rub n tug for me...was my hot asian girlfriend. Best part is she likes cleaning my house too

STANLEY CUP.....not a junior championship etc
- SMBDragon

Calder cup.....2nd hardest champion trophy to win.

Not an easy feat.

With all the hysteria around not wanting PN and not winning the lottery I've got to throw my two cents in.

Not only do I hope that we don't win the lottery, I hope we finish in the 5 hole and three teams (6,7,9) win all the lottery positions. That way we won't have any pressure when we pick eighth and puck up a defensemen with bottom pairing ceiling.


Right guys.
Let's hear some more, I hope that we don't win the lottery talk, because that makes about add much sense as this post.

and we have heard Juolevi compared to Lidstrom He isn't a Doughty. Granted, my viewings are limited to a few select games and youtube highlights but I haven't been impressed. I think he is a good prospect but I would prefer Nico, Patrick, Vilardi, Mittelstad or Makar. Maybe Necas or Petterson
- CanuckDon

would you then say we pick him if nico patrick and mittlestadt are already gone?