True. Hard to say who BPA is among differing options. Hasn't that term watered down?
- Nuck4U

Well yeah, who a particular team/scout thinks is BPA isn't a lock to actually be the BPA. But the whole point is that you should just draft who your organization thinks will become the best player, regardless of position.

I don't like seeing people pile on, but dude is tone deaf.
Many people have given him a break and tried to engage (myself included), but he makes it tough.
- dbot

I've never felt I could say this in here before because of the ridicule but here it goes....

Guys, I PR'ed my WOD today. Felt awesome. Great paleo meal after for my recovery.

It's good for oil prices though
- LeftCoaster

ha ha yes I guess it is. Good point

I've never felt I could say this in here before because of the ridicule but here it goes....

Guys, I PR'ed my WOD today. Felt awesome. Great paleo meal after for my recovery.
- manvanfan

What? Translation?

Well yeah, who a particular team/scout thinks is BPA isn't a lock to actually be the BPA. But the whole point is that you should just draft who your organization thinks will become the best player, regardless of position.
- Nucker101

Yeah Van could of had Bo - Larkin as 1-2 punch

Yeah Van could of had Bo - Larkin as 1-2 punch
- manvanfan

(frank)

(frank)
- LeftCoaster

Either way, still looking for a power forward.

Yeah Van could of had Bo - Larkin as 1-2 punch
- manvanfan

Larkin would have been a reach/bold pick, he wasn't really in the mainstream conversation for 6th overall from what I remember. It was usually a debate between Virtanen/Ehlers/Nylander/Ritchie

Or people were hoping Dal Colle would fall to us

(frank)
- LeftCoaster

Either way, still looking for a power forward.

Either way, still looking for a power forward.
- manvanfan

What? Biega's not doing it for you?

Well yeah, who a particular team/scout thinks is BPA isn't a lock to actually be the BPA. But the whole point is that you should just draft who your organization thinks will become the best player, regardless of position.
- Nucker101

Yeah I get that. That is the calling card truth on the statement. Where the confusion amongst us lay people happen later is what determines that.

As does it get more complicated with types of players? Like what would make one better then another when their attributes differ. For example, take two talented players in close stature but one is a power forward and the other a playmaker for instance. What makes either better? More complicated of course between equating between goalie, defender and forward.

So isn't succes a hard measure? Especially projecting it amongst differing types?

What? Biega's not doing it for you?
- A_SteamingLombardi

Gaunce

Gaunce
- Nucker101

I'm holding my opinion on Gaunce until I know his taste in music.

Yeah I get that. That is the calling card truth on the statement. Where the confusion amongst us lay people happen later is what determines that.

As does it get more complicated with types of players? Like what would make one better then another when their attributes differ. For example, take two talented players in close stature but one is a power forward and the other a playmaker for instance. What makes either better? More complicated of course between equating between goalie, defender and forward.

So isn't succes is a hard measure? Especially projecting it?
- Nuck4U

Yeah, for sure. It's not some exact science. You just have to watch the players and be as unbiased as possible and factor in the competition these guys are playing against, the ice time they get, the quality of teammates they play with, etc.

Tkachuk was a really tough one because he was playing on a line with a stud in Mitch Marner, and Christian Dvorak was no slouch either. So people had a tough time evaluating him.

I'm holding my opinion on Gaunce until I know his taste in music.
- A_SteamingLombardi

Yeah, for sure. It's not some exact science. You just have to watch the players and be as unbiased as possible and factor in the competition these guys are playing against, the ice time they get, the quality of teammates they play with, etc.

Tkachuk was a really tough one because he was playing on a line with a stud in Mitch Marner, and Christian Dvorak was no slouch either. So people had a tough time evaluating him.
- Nucker101

Junior is just such a different game. Probably the reason a lot of college kids get picked up because at the older age, teams know a bit more what they are getting. Scoring isn't outrageous either.

What? Biega's not doing it for you?
- A_SteamingLombardi

not overly.

Gaunce
- Nucker101

What's there to love? PYatt 2.0

Junior is just such a different game. Probably the reason a lot of college kids get picked up because at the older age, teams know a bit more what they are getting. Scoring isn't outrageous either.
- manvanfan

I get that for signing free agent college kids. But the high end ones are drafted off high school or BCHL type leagues before they go to college. Like BB or now Mittlestad will do.

Junior is just such a different game. Probably the reason a lot of college kids get picked up because at the older age, teams know a bit more what they are getting. Scoring isn't outrageous either.
- manvanfan

I hope the Canucks go NCAA heavy for multiple reasons:

1) The best scouts the team has are based in the USA

2) American hockey is growing, the depth is better than ever and arguably comparable with Canada now, but it's entirely possible that the NHL is still adjusting to that reality. Take advantage of that market value with more Gaudette/Lockwood picks in the mid rounds. Like Detroit did with Euros back when the draft was CHL heavy.

3) College environment just seems better for development, more practice/workout time, less games, lower chance of a prospect suffering a major injury, etc.

Only risk is that the Canucks are a Canadian team so there's always that worry about getting Vesey'd by some kid who wants to play closer to home or doesn't want to play in Canada.

I hope the Canucks go NCAA heavy for multiple reasons:

1) The best scouts the team has are based in the USA

2) American hockey is growing, the depth is better than ever and arguably comparable with Canada now, but it's entirely possible that the NHL is still adjusting to that reality. Take advantage of that market value with more Gaudette/Lockwood picks in the mid rounds. Like Detroit did with Euros back when the draft was CHL heavy.

3) College environment just seems better for development, more practice/workout time, less games, lower chance of a prospect suffering a major injury, etc.
- Nucker101

Totally agree. The NCAA style of hockey is also more focused on speed and skill, whereas CHL is slowly getting away from the fighting culture that dominated it for years. I also find there is more competition in the NCAA, sure some teams arent as good, but you dont have under developed 15/16 year olds to exploit

And for your edit: I am not that worried about it. The BCHL recruits from all over NA and sends so many to the NCAA that even if they arent from here, they have some connection the area, I think that would be a benefit

Son, quit being a crybaby.....again, not a shock that you have garnered such little respect here.....
- chompsey

Its the logo causing him to be estrogenic.

I get that for signing free agent college kids. But the high end ones are drafted off high school or BCHL type leagues before they go to college. Like BB or now Mittlestad will do.
- Nuck4U

The USHL is probably closing in on the CHL. BCHL like other smaller leagues will always have a couple players here and there but nowhere near what the CHL produces.

I hope the Canucks go NCAA heavy for multiple reasons:

1) The best scouts the team has are based in the USA

2) American hockey is growing, the depth is better than ever and arguably comparable with Canada now, but it's entirely possible that the NHL is still adjusting to that reality. Take advantage of that market value with more Gaudette/Lockwood picks in the mid rounds. Like Detroit did with Euros back when the draft was CHL heavy.

3) College environment just seems better for development, more practice/workout time, less games, lower chance of a prospect suffering a major injury, etc.

Only risk is that the Canucks are a Canadian team so there's always that worry about getting Vesey'd by some kid who wants to play closer to home or doesn't want to play in Canada.
- Nucker101

Picking in rounds 3-7 for NCAA picks allows more risk in picking because they can stay in college longer. Hutton as example.

Most of the best players are still coming from Canadian leagues.

Picking in rounds 3-7 for NCAA picks allows more risk in picking because they can stay in college longer. Hutton as example.

Most of the best players are still coming from Canadian leagues.
- manvanfan

I think most of the top end players are still coming from CHL, but the list of new prospects joining the league at the tail end here is a very impressive list. Keller, White, Boeser, Jost, McAvoy. I think it will be hard for scouts to justify them going in the top of the 1st round, but as you say in the mid to late rounds should be heavily targetted