It was in how the question was phrased: "Steve Mason called the team's effort out last night in Winnipeg, how do you respond?" elicits a different response than "Steve Mason said the Jets weren't tested enough last night and that he, too, needed to make a couple more clutch saves. How do you respond?"

The first, questioning effort, puts Jake on the defensive, and he can only disagree and say everyone was trying their hardest.

The latter, critiquing performance, produces something along the lines of "100 percent. We needed to generate more pressure against them. Mase did his part, but we needed to play better as a team."

These are two different ways of summarizing Mason's comments, but the first provokes a more colorful and dramatic quote of disagreement while the latter, although more precisely accurate, elicits cliches.
- bmeltzer

The first is typical Philly sports "journalism", the second is fair and accurate

What we have to hope is that somehow moving forward in the near future, out of the current defenseman, that only Gudas, Gostisbehere and Provorov remain. I'm okay with Manning as a part time 6/7 defenseman. Hopefully a number of the young prospects are ready to make that jump.
- MJL

I said it the other day if Morin and Sanheim can make the jump (Hagg as well)... You could go with something liek

Provy-Gudas
Ghost-Morin
Sanheim-Manning
Hagg

The latest hot take I see everywhere is that Konecny spending some time on the 4th line proves Hak is a clueless college coach. Never mind that Konecny is getting 14 minutes a game on average in his 19-year old season, more ice time than a very similar prospect named Robbi Fabbri managed in his 19 year old season under the most experienced NHL coach around.

You could also say "no offense" before commenting. That always seems to work for me.
- mickel25

Im sorry but I DID say "with all due respect" before I answered your question....

I've complained plenty about both. I'm just not so naive that I think replacing one or both of them would result in everything being different or better.
- Feanor

Stevens being replace by Laviolette worked out well. Hitch taking over for Bill Barber, you saw a clear difference. In fact it had an instant impact. I can see where you're coming from when you replace Berube with Hakstol because, what's the difference? Bill Barber, John Stevens, Craig Berube and Dave Hakstol in my mind looked inexperienced as Coaches. I couldn't John Stevens but I thought his biggest flaw was how soft he was on the players but outside of this, he was the best of the four.

The latest hot take I see everywhere is that Konecny spending some time on the 4th line proves Hak is a clueless college coach. Never mind that Konecny is getting 14 minutes a game on average in his 19-year old season, more ice time than a very similar prospect named Robbi Fabbri managed in his 19 year old season under the most experienced NHL coach around.
- Feanor

Were the Blues eliminated from the playoffs and lacking scoring at even strength?

The latest hot take I see everywhere is that Konecny spending some time on the 4th line proves Hak is a clueless college coach. Never mind that Konecny is getting 14 minutes a game on average in his 19-year old season, more ice time than a very similar prospect named Robyi Fabbri managed in his 19 year old season under the most experienced NHL coach around.
- Feanor

So one other coach is doing it too, so Hakstol must be right? When Konecny is on the ice, something happens. Now, mind you, I'm wrong about a lot of things. I questioned whether or not Konecny should play in the NHL this year because it never hurts to be cautious within development but he's here now and he's a difference maker.

The latest hot take I see everywhere is that Konecny spending some time on the 4th line proves Hak is a clueless college coach. Never mind that Konecny is getting 14 minutes a game on average in his 19-year old season, more ice time than a very similar prospect named Robbi Fabbri managed in his 19 year old season under the most experienced NHL coach around.
- Feanor

Bugs me, too. It's the way MOST rookies get handled. Was Ken Hitchcock a clueless coach when he had Jeff Carter and Mike Richards in his bottom six as rookies for much of 2005-06?

It was in how the question was phrased: "Steve Mason called the team's effort out last night in Winnipeg, how do you respond?" elicits a different response than "Steve Mason said the Jets weren't tested enough last night and that he, too, needed to make a couple more clutch saves. How do you respond?"

The first, questioning effort, puts Jake on the defensive, and he can only disagree and say everyone was trying their hardest.

The latter, critiquing performance, produces something along the lines of "100 percent. We needed to generate more pressure against them. Mase did his part, but we needed to play better as a team."

These are two different ways of summarizing Mason's comments, but the first provokes a more colorful and dramatic quote of disagreement while the latter, although more precisely accurate, elicits cliches.
- bmeltzer

So was it Carchidi or Panaccio who asked it?

You are making a mountain out of a mole hill....

He simply acknowledged the heart of one of his teammates and said they should all emulate that mentality.. Nothing there.
- jak521

I'm no type making a mountain out of anything. I asked a question and admitted to not hearing the comments from the source.

Actually, it's ok to complain about the players, but only under two circumstances:

1. You only talk about their lack of effort
2. You list all of their good qualities first
- PhillySportsGuy

flagged by accident....enjoy your ban

So was it Carchidi or Panaccio who asked it?
- YuenglingJagr

Carchidi has been trying to stir poop up for weeks. Then all the sudden Manning fights in a victory over the Pens and he's the team's best friend again.

I couldn't believe him grilling Filppula in Toronto about his decision not to waive for the Leafs. Let the Toronto media do that FFS.

Im sorry but I DID say "with all due respect" before I answered your question....
- MBFlyerfan

The more hockey appropriate one is "Pardon My French" before unleashing a cache of expletives.

Carchidi has been trying to stir poop up for weeks. Then all the sudden Manning fights in a victory over the Pens and he's the team's best friend again.

I couldn't believe him grilling Filppula in Toronto about his decision not to waive for the Leafs. Let the Toronto media do that FFS.
- Baxter27

he is a complete joke

Stevens being replace by Laviolette worked out well. Hitch taking over for Bill Barber, you saw a clear difference. In fact it had an instant impact. I can see where you're coming from when you replace Berube with Hakstol because, what's the difference? Bill Barber, John Stevens, Craig Berube and Dave Hakstol in my mind looked inexperienced as Coaches. I couldn't John Stevens but I thought his biggest flaw was how soft he was on the players but outside of this, he was the best of the four.
- SuperSchennBros

I understand your main point. I would remove Barber as an example, though. He won the Jack Adams his first year of coaching the Flyers, had been the head coach of the Calder Cup winning Phantoms and had 3+ seasons as an NHL assistant and five full seasons and one partial season as an AHL head coach to his credit.

Barber's situation was different. The players tuned him out in year two because 1) he was a yeller who didn't soft-pedal anything behind closed doors, 2) he wasn't a top X-and-O guy. He coached largely on emotion like old-school coaches and his main message was "if it's not going well, work harder", and 3) as a former NHL star who was basically coached in systems where the Flyers top offensive players were allowed to figure things out on their own on the power play -- not even Shero structured that aspect -- he didn't believe in practicing the power play.

At the AHL level, players had to listen to him. Ask Vaclav Prospal or Ruslan Fedotenko about Barber from their Phantoms days -- both credit him staying on their back with tough love (because he really did care about his players, and it wasn't being a hardass just for its own sake) with helping them to advance to the NHL level and stay once they got there.

The latest hot take I see everywhere is that Konecny spending some time on the 4th line proves Hak is a clueless college coach. Never mind that Konecny is getting 14 minutes a game on average in his 19-year old season, more ice time than a very similar prospect named Robbi Fabbri managed in his 19 year old season under the most experienced NHL coach around.
- Feanor

Hakstol doesn't like to play young players and is ruining Konecny and his creativity. Get with the program.

So was it Carchidi or Panaccio who asked it?
- YuenglingJagr

Sam

I'm no type making a mountain out of anything. I asked a question and admitted to not hearing the comments from the source.
- SuperSchennBros

Right, and then you went on a tirade about Ghost being the one doing the "questioning" and made a comment about him giving away freebees... My point is that ghost wasnt questioning anyone.. he was acknowledging Manning. Theres really nothing to talk about honestly.

flagged by accident....enjoy your ban
- YuenglingJagr

I hope they kept my cell clean

I hope they kept my cell clean
- PhillySportsGuy

Scoob stole your wubbie but other than that it should be alright.

It was in how the question was phrased: "Steve Mason called the team's effort out last night in Winnipeg, how do you respond?" elicits a different response than "Steve Mason said the Jets weren't tested enough last night and that he, too, needed to make a couple more clutch saves. How do you respond?"

The first, questioning effort, puts Jake on the defensive, and he can only disagree and say everyone was trying their hardest.

The latter, critiquing performance, produces something along the lines of "100 percent. We needed to generate more pressure against them. Mase did his part, but we needed to play better as a team."

These are two different ways of summarizing Mason's comments, but the first provokes a more colorful and dramatic quote of disagreement while the latter, although more precisely accurate, elicits cliches.
- bmeltzer

Bill, don't you know that putting together a thoughtful well placed bunch of words into a perfect essay that explains a situation perfectly is never heeded here. They will continue down a road with their nonsensical line of thinking and never sway off of it. No matter what facts are presented.

Scoob stole your wubbie but other than that it should be alright.
- FlyersGrace

Guy is insufferable

TK on the 4th line is not going to kill his growth like Laughton's growth learning a role in the A is hurting his.

Right, and then you went on a tirade about Ghost being the one doing the "questioning" and made a comment about him giving away freebees... My point is that ghost wasnt questioning anyone.. he was acknowledging Manning. Theres really nothing to talk about honestly.
- jak521

Based on what I was told.

We need one of those top 5 NHL coaches who do everything perfectly and not a bush league college coach in here.
- MJL

#notmycoach