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EnzoD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Denver, CO
Joined: 02.19.2014

Mar 27 @ 12:07 PM ET
Good thought process but . . .

You may be over-indexing on rookies/youngsters and while I agree with Panik's value, as an RFA, he doesn't have that much leverage. You may be a tad high on where he ends up salary wise (like 10%) (or not high).

Also, I STRONGLY doubt Jeff Glass is the Hawks' primary backup next season to Corey Crawford.

The final roster may hold at least one significant surprise (to some).

- John Jaeckel


Is the big Swedish tendy StanBo signed over the summer a potential NHL backup next year?
hocktock
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Over by dere.
Joined: 07.15.2015

Mar 27 @ 12:14 PM ET


- DarthKane


I like it. Depending on the match up, Kero deserves a crack at line 2. He's been a good soldier. Short leash though.

GO HOCKS
pdx2ord
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Portland, OR
Joined: 09.02.2015

Mar 27 @ 12:14 PM ET
He also had a couple of penalties in the previous game - against Dallas - a fighting major and a minor.

Didn't he have a rep in the A for taking bad penalties?

- StLBravesFan


Yes, part of the reason for the constant comparisons to Shaw
jhawk59
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.15.2013

Mar 27 @ 12:18 PM ET
Of course while those players may be under NHL contracts, whatever their pay rate not all will skate nhl simultaneouslyl. Too many prospects need regular TOI playing time. The transition to pro game means learning some things in AHL but also figuring out other things at NHL. It is a good omen to have the pipeline churning out prospects

I am fairly certain DeBrincat and Fortin would not start together at the nhl level. Snuggerud despite those tapes and brief AHL indoctrination surely has AHL ticket to begin next season. We can better evaluate after expansion and probably after the summer. I would not be surprised to see a veteran brought in pending the loss in expansion allocation. I wonder if Baun is close to competing for an energy or bottom line job. Glass good enough for NHL? Or Johansson the swedish netminder at Rockford this season? Lastly, if KRUGER is selected despite his salary his return is fathomable. You win championships with Kruger and Shaw type. Their value goes beyond statistical analysis because our third and fourth lines are just better than everyone else.
Theo Fox
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.18.2016

Mar 27 @ 12:34 PM ET
Of course while those players may be under NHL contracts, whatever their pay rate not all will skate nhl simultaneouslyl. Too many prospects need regular TOI playing time. The transition to pro game means learning some things in AHL but also figuring out other things at NHL. It is a good omen to have the pipeline churning out prospects

I am fairly certain DeBrincat and Fortin would not start together at the nhl level. Snuggerud despite those tapes and brief AHL indoctrination surely has AHL ticket to begin next season. We can better evaluate after expansion and probably after the summer. I would not be surprised to see a veteran brought in pending the loss in expansion allocation. I wonder if Baun is close to competing for an energy or bottom line job. Glass good enough for NHL? Or Johansson the swedish netminder at Rockford this season? Lastly, if KRUGER is selected despite his salary his return is fathomable. You win championships with Kruger and Shaw type. Their value goes beyond statistical analysis because our third and fourth lines are just better than everyone else.

- jhawk59

I would have to agree that DeBrincat and Fortin are most likely starting in Rockford next season and that any current Hogs to be on next year's Hawks roster are likely Hinostroza, Motte, and/or Baun (as far as forwards go). Baun seems to have picked up the pace since coming back from a long injury stint.
Theo Fox
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.18.2016

Mar 27 @ 12:40 PM ET
Yes, part of the reason for the constant comparisons to Shaw
- pdx2ord

Hartman was doing so good all season with moving from being Shaw Lite to arguably better than Shaw. The true test now is will Hartman be a solid playoff contributor as Shaw was. Shaw was an absolute beast.
pdx2ord
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Portland, OR
Joined: 09.02.2015

Mar 27 @ 12:45 PM ET
Hartman was doing so good all season with moving from being Shaw Lite to arguably better than Shaw. The true test now is will Hartman be a solid playoff contributor as Shaw was. Shaw was an absolute beast.
- AEL_Fox


Chris Hine‏ @ChristopherHine
Q on Hartman (1/2): "I think that sometimes you gotta learn how you handle certain situations...

Q on Hartman (2/2): "... And I think we’ve got different options, as well, and that’s where we’re at."
BGKarras
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Itasca, IL
Joined: 06.19.2012

Mar 27 @ 1:01 PM ET
Palat isn't on the Blackhawks?
- 93Joe

Now yet, hopefully he will join them before training camp
LaheysBRandy
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 04.28.2015

Mar 27 @ 1:14 PM ET
Good thought process but . . .

You may be over-indexing on rookies/youngsters and while I agree with Panik's value, as an RFA, he doesn't have that much leverage. You may be a tad high on where he ends up salary wise (like 10%) (or not high).

Also, I STRONGLY doubt Jeff Glass is the Hawks' primary backup next season to Corey Crawford.

The final roster may hold at least one significant surprise (to some).

- John Jaeckel


Agree JJ, but I think if the Hawks make a deep run Panik probably has a decent amount to do with it which could push his salary up...can't say I will complain if he goes Bickell 2013, hawks win it all and then have a tough decision to make with him
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Mar 27 @ 1:51 PM ET
Stan continues to fail with the college free agent market:








golfbard
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: NY
Joined: 06.22.2007

Mar 27 @ 1:58 PM ET
Stan continues to fail with the college free agent market:









- DarthKane



None of which are doing anything but become role players at best.
walleyeb1
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Petersburg, IL
Joined: 09.25.2014

Mar 27 @ 2:03 PM ET
Chris Hine‏ @ChristopherHine
Q on Hartman (1/2): "I think that sometimes you gotta learn how you handle certain situations...

Q on Hartman (2/2): "... And I think we’ve got different options, as well, and that’s where we’re at."

- pdx2ord


Interesting, wonder why Kruger isn't in The Dog House as well?
TommyHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 05.23.2013

Mar 27 @ 2:03 PM ET
None of which are doing anything but become role players at best.
- golfbard

Last I checked, Reilly, Caggiula, and Vesey were all playing like crap. Vesey and Hino actually had identical numbers prior to Vinny being sent down. I'd be more worried about Stan losing out on actual proven veteran free agents rather than overachieving NCAA ones.
StLBravesFan
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.03.2011

Mar 27 @ 2:09 PM ET
Last I checked, Reilly, Caggiula, and Vesey were all playing like crap. Vesey and Hino actually had identical numbers prior to Vinny being sent down. I'd be more worried about Stan losing out on actual proven veteran free agents rather than overachieving NCAA ones.
- TommyHawk


The players noted probably have higher potential ceilings than a free agent vet that Bowman could sign for dollars similar to entry level.

It's a bit concerning, but (a) the Rangers can point to a very recent history (Vesey, Hayes) of immediately giving college FAs a season-long starting position and (b) the Hawks might be viewed as having young player bottlenecks at various positions.
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Mar 27 @ 2:09 PM ET
None of which are doing anything but become role players at best.
- golfbard



Which is exactly that Chicago would need them to be.
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Mar 27 @ 2:31 PM ET

TommyHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 05.23.2013

Mar 27 @ 2:31 PM ET
The players noted probably have higher potential ceilings than a free agent vet that Bowman could sign for dollars similar to entry level.

It's a bit concerning, but (a) the Rangers can point to a very recent history (Vesey, Hayes) of immediately giving college FAs a season-long starting position and (b) the Hawks might be viewed as having young player bottlenecks at various positions.

- StLBravesFan

What? When I say veteran FA's I don't mean guys like Brad Richards who sign here on one year deals at the end of their careers. I'm talking about free agents that are considered prime targets. That would be more concerning than a 20-year-old kid coming off a good NCAA season spurning us to get immediate third/fourth line minutes with a different team.
6628
Joined: 08.24.2009

Mar 27 @ 2:33 PM ET
The players noted probably have higher potential ceilings than a free agent vet that Bowman could sign for dollars similar to entry level.

It's a bit concerning, but (a) the Rangers can point to a very recent history (Vesey, Hayes) of immediately giving college FAs a season-long starting position and (b) the Hawks might be viewed as having young player bottlenecks at various positions.

- StLBravesFan



Good afternoon STL, how's that going for the Rags these days? Just saying, not trying to be a smart ass.
bhawks2241
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 09.17.2013

Mar 27 @ 2:38 PM ET
Chris Hine‏ @ChristopherHine
Q on Hartman (1/2): "I think that sometimes you gotta learn how you handle certain situations...

Q on Hartman (2/2): "... And I think we’ve got different options, as well, and that’s where we’re at."

- pdx2ord



Sigh...what other options? He's one of our best "power forwards". Not sure why Hayden gets to hangout on the 4th line. He's not going to do much there.
6628
Joined: 08.24.2009

Mar 27 @ 2:38 PM ET
Chris Hine‏ @ChristopherHine
Q on Hartman (1/2): "I think that sometimes you gotta learn how you handle certain situations...

Q on Hartman (2/2): "... And I think we’ve got different options, as well, and that’s where we’re at."

- pdx2ord



Like the pretty boy sunday tribune magazine thing?
bhawks2241
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 09.17.2013

Mar 27 @ 2:44 PM ET
I like it. Depending on the match up, Kero deserves a crack at line 2. He's been a good soldier. Short leash though.

GO HOCKS

- hocktock


I don't think he's done anything to warrant a look at 2C. Been a good foot soldier? He's a rookie. I don't understand all the love. He play some solid D and has shown some flashes of offense. On the flip side it puts as Schmaltz back were he has shown he can produce. He will have more room to play make and less D responsibilities with Toews and Panik.
ArlingtonRob
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 230 years was a good run, IL
Joined: 01.20.2012

Mar 27 @ 2:54 PM ET
Which is exactly that Chicago would need them to be.
- DarthKane


I'm more concerned with the Hawks signing their NCAA draft picks...

...NOT undrafted free agents clinging to a dream.

Iacopelli is another guy on the list. Glad to see it if true.
hankscorpio
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 07.06.2015

Mar 27 @ 2:55 PM ET
Meh. Hawks do not need another 5'10" winger so no big loss.

Stan continues to fail with the college free agent market:









- DarthKane


SimpleJack
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago , IL
Joined: 05.23.2013

Mar 27 @ 2:58 PM ET
Q strikes again with the stupid line combos. Kero at 2C? Hayden restricted to the 4th line? Hartman benched in favor of inferior players?

5-1 Lightning win

Looks like a slump is in the making. Too much shuffling with the lines. No chemistry/rhythm.
SimpleJack
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago , IL
Joined: 05.23.2013

Mar 27 @ 3:00 PM ET
Not sure why Q doesn't just do this:

Hayden-Toews-Panik
Panarin-Schmaltz-Kane
Hartman-Kero-Hossa
Desjardins-Kruger-Tootoo/Moose/Jurco
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