I made steak and eggs for breakfast. (NY strip)

All I got.

no kidding. that wasn't even the point. the point was I understand management signing them for what they did when they did.
- nastyflyergirl

Ok fine. So what do we have? Another case of "things not working out" that excuse gets old. I could care less about the reasoning for why things happen, I care about what the results are.

Voracek was paid what he was on the results of one season. Will Voracek ever have another 80 point season? Since he signed his contract he's been the same player he was before the 80 point season.

Ok fine. So what do we have? Another case of "things not working out" that excuse gets old. I could care less about the reasoning for why things happen, I care about what the results are.

Voracek was paid what he was basically on the results of one season. Will Voracek ever have another 80 point season? Since he signed his contract he's been the same player he was before the 80 point season.
- PLindbergh31

I'll side with one thing here.

I do think they tend to give out big contracts too soon, after too small of sample sizes.

Unfortunately to a point they were forced to. You could have let Jake walk, or Schenn for that matter. Suppose the question of 'trading them' could come up.

Edit: Couldn't have let G walk though man, he was a damn good player and deserved to get paid.

Id take him over the clown any day
- Mordecai

I agree. I go with 2Real over Homey da clown too.

Ok fine. So what do we have? Another case of "things not working out" that excuse gets old. I could care less about the reasoning for why things happen, I care about what the results are.

Voracek was paid what he was on the results of one season. Will Voracek ever have another 80 point season? Since he signed his contract he's been the same player he was before the 80 point season.
- PLindbergh31

Can I please borrow your crystal ball?

Can I please borrow your crystal ball?
- jmatchett383

Sure, I'm currently looking at another player Holmgren overpaid.

I'll side with one thing here.

I do think they tend to give out big contracts too soon, after too small of sample sizes.

Unfortunately to a point they were forced to. You could have let Jake walk, or Schenn for that matter. Suppose the question of 'trading them' could come up.

Edit: Couldn't have let G walk though man, he was a damn good player and deserved to get paid.
- flyer_nutter

I get that on Giroux. He was paid for the level of what he was producing.

Ok fine. So what do we have? Another case of "things not working out" that excuse gets old. I could care less about the reasoning for why things happen, I care about what the results are.

Voracek was paid what he was on the results of one season. Will Voracek ever have another 80 point season? Since he signed his contract he's been the same player he was before the 80 point season.
- PLindbergh31

your comment was about paying them. so you would have traded Jake for what probably was under market value being he was approaching UFA status within a yr or let him walk for nothing? You would have done the same with Giroux? it goes without saying Giroux, Voracek and well just about the entire team needs to play better even while supplementing the roster with the kids they are grooming. Do i have concerns that Giroux is worn down (never been a big player)? Yes I do. I am a little more encouraged by his play over the last 15 games or so, so I am hoping very much his hip was an issue. But yeah I worry about his play probably like the Pens fans were concerned about Crosby last year.

Voracek went from 49 points in 78 games, to 46 in 48, 62 in 82 and 81 in 83. there really was no reason to think his play would drop off. I still believe he is a very good player and can get hiS game back to where it was before.

Sure, I'm currently looking at another player Holmgren overpaid.


- PLindbergh31

There's two guys in your crystal ball....dare I ask which guy your referring too?

I get that on Giroux. He was paid for the level of what he was producing.
- PLindbergh31

Kind of with Jake though too. I guess that could have traded him but he was young enough to consider keeping around.

I'd say the issue regarding contracts, is paying mediocre guys more than they are worth. I'd pay Jake and G every time.

Sure, I'm currently looking at another player Holmgren overpaid.


- PLindbergh31

guess what, you can look at just about every team and see a player or two or three who are overpaid. welcome to UFA at the age of 27 or 7 years in a cap era where talent takes time to develop.

guess what, you can look at just about every team and see a player or two or three who are overpaid. welcome to UFA at the age of 27 or 7 years in a cap era where talent takes time to develop.
- nastyflyergirl

UFA is so (frank)ed its a bit sad really. Its understandable, teams want to get something for their players instead of just letting them walk, but it makes the league basically only about drafting.

Everything just takes so long that way, to get turnover with results. Nature of the beast. I am lazily trying to think of bigger FA signings in the last 4 years that worked out for a team. Can't think of too many.

your comment was about paying them. so you would have traded Jake for what probably was under market value being he was approaching UFA status within a yr or let him walk for nothing? You would have done the same with Giroux? it goes without saying Giroux, Voracek and well just about the entire team needs to play better even while supplementing the roster with the kids they are grooming. Do i have concerns that Giroux is worn down (never been a big player)? Yes I do. I am a little more encouraged by his play over the last 15 games or so, so I am hoping very much his hip was an issue. But yeah I worry about his play probably like the Pens fans were concerned about Crosby last year.

Voracek went from 49 points in 78 games, to 46 in 48, 62 in 82 and 81 in 83. there really was no reason to think his play would drop off. I still believe he is a very good player and can get him game back to where it was before.
- nastyflyergirl

They had to sign Giroux, I don't have an issue with that. Like you said he was a top production player in the League prior to signing him. Voracek I'm not sure I would have given him the contract they did. It was largely based on one season. 8+ million can go a long way in adding a few players. When you have 16+ million tied up in two players it gives you very little margin of error with the rest of the roster. Yes, I know the Hawks, and Penguins manage to do it just fine, but the Flyers aren't the Hawks or Penguins by a long shot.

They had to sign Giroux, I don't have an issue with that. Like you said he was a top production player in the League prior to signing him. Voracek I'm not sure I would have given him the contract they did. It was largely based on one season. 8+ million can go a long way in adding a few players. When you have 16+ million tied up in a few players it gives you very little margin of error with the rest of the roster. Yes, I know the Hawks, and Penguins manage to do it just fine, but the Flyers aren't the Hawks or Penguins by a long shot.
- PLindbergh31

Love ya man, but who would they have added for that 8 million? FA is dead as (frank).

I despise the idea of adding more average/mediocre dudes to the lineup. Star power baby, star power.

There's two guys in your crystal ball....dare I ask which guy your referring too?
- landros 2

Read

Love ya man, but who would they have added for that 8 million? FA is dead as (frank).

I despise the idea of adding more average/mediocre dudes to the lineup. Star power baby, star power.
- flyer_nutter

You have to be able to find players. Look at the Rags, and Panthers with Grabner and Marchassault respectively. Those guys are getting paid peanuts and they both may score 30 goals. Guys are out there.

You have to be able to find players. Look at the Rags, and Panthers with Grabner and Marchassault respectively. Those guys are getting paid peanuts and they both may score 30 goals. Guys are out there.
- PLindbergh31

Nahh that I agree with, but with the 8 million you'd have saved with Jake. I assumed you meant giving it to someone big in FA or spreading it out amongst a few lower tier players.

Would say that FA is an area Hextall needs to improve in. Don't think anyone would dispute that.

Nahh that I agree with, but with the 8 million you'd have saved with Jake. I assumed you meant giving it to someone big in FA or spreading it out amongst a few lower tier players.

Would say that FA is an area Hextall needs to improve in. Don't think anyone would dispute that.
- flyer_nutter

He definitely needs to improve in free agency. Drafting he has done well.
I'll tell you, I know it's a small sample size, but I haven't been remotely impressed by Filpulla. I guess he can fill a hole next year, and since he's only under contract for one more year it isn't a big deal. It's not like they will be contenders next year anyway.

UFA is so (frank)ed its a bit sad really. Its understandable, teams want to get something for their players instead of just letting them walk, but it makes the league basically only about drafting.

Everything just takes so long that way, to get turnover with results. Nature of the beast. I am lazily trying to think of bigger FA signings in the last 4 years that worked out for a team. Can't think of too many.
- flyer_nutter

for the players its great to not have to wait til 32. as a fan it sucks cause it gives players too much leverage. them be the rules tho so drafting well is vital

He definitely needs to improve in free agency. Drafting he has done well.
I'll tell you, I know it's a small sample size, but I haven't been remotely impressed by Filpulla. I guess he can fill a hole next year, and since he's only under contract for one more year it isn't a big deal. It's not like they will be contenders next year anyway.
- PLindbergh31

don't disagree at all. I love the direction hextall is going but he has not been perfect at all. also agree about Filpulla so far but funny thing is Coots has looked great since the trade. and he is a UFA next year so they can move him or walk away

Excluding Provorov, trade whatever it takes to get McDavid. Could they do it?

Simmonds
Couturier
Ghost
Myers
Sanheim
2 1sts
- jmatchett383

Make it even easier...

Offer two 1sts and any 5 players they so choose currently under contract. Though they'd still say no, at least they would probably consider it for a brief moment while looking at the possibilities.

On another note - Love That Bob. I couldn't be happier with the success that kid has been having.

He definitely needs to improve in free agency. Drafting he has done well.
I'll tell you, I know it's a small sample size, but I haven't been remotely impressed by Filpulla. I guess he can fill a hole next year, and since he's only under contract for one more year it isn't a big deal. It's not like they will be contenders next year anyway.
- PLindbergh31

I dont really feel one way or another with Fil. I don't think Streit was worth much. Nor too many of the other Flyer d-men. Would still probably have traded MDZ or Schultz even for 6th rounders and have given some time to Morin and/or Hagg.

Back to Fil, I think the biggest positive is he will be worth more at the next deadline than Streit was now. Thats a plus. Don't think he really does much to improve them overall, as he's just another secondary guy.

I kind of expect the club to be back next season without many changes, maybe add in 1-2 rookie D and Lindblom. Another similar season to this one is not out of the question.

Edit: Honestly, to me unless you improve that core group of forwards, you won't see more than flirting with the 1st round of the playoffs. Unless G truly rebounds. Have my doubts there.

don't disagree at all. I love the direction hextall is going but he has not been perfect at all. also agree about Filpulla so far but funny thing is Coots has looked great since the trade. and he is a UFA next year so they can move him or walk away
- nastyflyergirl

Couturier has played very well over the last 10-15 games. That with Provorov and Konecny are positives.

Couturier has played very well over the last 10-15 games. That with Provorov and Konecny are positives.
- PLindbergh31

I love Konec. He needs to get consistent better playing time with steady linemates. Think he has been mismanaged and a goat for the club this season. That sucks.

Same with Ghost. He's sucked ass, but I really do wish they can find him a steady decent partner and again - steady good playing time.

The fact that Provorov has risen above all the crap, is wonderful.

I'd like to see them give more opportunity to guys like Cousins, Weal, Leier, Laughton, etc. May get nowhere but guys like Read and "he who must not be named" are truly irrelevant to the future success of this club anyway. You draft/find these kids, giving true chances to 1st round picks only isn't the answer.

I love Konec. He needs to get consistent better playing time with steady linemates. Think he has been mismanaged and a goat for the club this season. That sucks.

Same with Ghost. He's sucked ass, but I really do wish they can find him a steady decent partner and again - steady good playing time.

The fact that Provorov has risen above all the crap, is wonderful.

I'd like to see them give more opportunity to guys like Cousins, Weal, Leier, Laughton, etc. May get nowhere but guys like Read and "he who must not be named" are truly irrelevant to the future success of this club anyway. You draft/find these kids, giving true chances to 1st round picks only isn't the answer.
- flyer_nutter

Agreed!


I want to see Konecny these last 8 games playing on a line with skilled players.
It's also a small sample, but I have to admit I've liked what I've seen from Weal. Is he an NHL regular? I don't know that, but he has some skill, he's calm with the puck and he has made some plays. I'd like to see him given a chance