first of all when Giroux signed that deal he had the most points over a 5 year or whatever it was period of time. Secondly players heading into their UFA years have all the leverage. there was no reason to believe it was in the best interest of the team to trade those players at the time and you aren't going to risk heading into UFA and have the players walk. it was easier in the days when players weren't UFAs until 32.

Seriously your post show every single negative or iffy move the organization has made and never point out the positives at all. its tiring. I get close to just passing over every post of yours because I know there will be no objectivity to it. I don't believe everything is perfect and the organization is perfect but my god, they have done some good things too and I believe they are heading in the right direction.
- nastyflyergirl

Is it fair to expect Giroux and Voracek to equal the production of Brad freakin Marchand or nah?

I'm not giving this franchise the benefit of the doubt on anything if people don't like it oh well I don't give a damn. Bobrovsky throw it in their faces yet again yesterday? I guess that's the new theme for the next 5 years

Is it fair to expect Giroux and Voracek to equal the production of Brad freakin Marchand or nah?

I'm not giving this franchise the benefit of the doubt on anything if people don't like it oh well I don't give a damn. Bobrovsky throw it in their faces yet again yesterday? I guess that's the new theme for the next 5 years
- PLindbergh31

Very valid point regarding Marchand. You could probably add quite a list of players who have had better seasons than those two. They don't have to be Crosby and Malkin. Just be a lot better!
I don't think it is unfair for a fan base to want more from their top players . Thats what they are paid for.

Is it fair to expect Giroux and Voracek to equal the production of Brad freakin Marchand or nah?

I'm no giving this franchise the benefit of the doubt on anything if people don't like it oh well I don't give a damn. Bobrovsky throw it in their faces yet again yesterday? I guess that's the new theme for the next 5 years
- PLindbergh31

so you feel they shouldn't have given Giroux the contract when they did? you would have traded him when he was at the top of his game or let him walk? you foresaw his play dropping off like it has this year? he obviously has to be better and obviously we are all hoping it was his hip and he bounces back but I can't fault the organization AT ALL for signing him when they did.

as far as Bob goes, yeah it sucks. I loved Bob. I blame Snider and Lavy for what happened there but its done. Hopefully one of Stolarz, hart, Sandstrom, etc etc end up being the goalie of the future. I refuse to sit and whine about it every damn day. Guess what, organizations make good and bad trades. if Stolaz and Leier don't turn into anything then yeah it was a terrible trade. Do you ever point out the good moves? ever? Seriously I don't know why you watch anymore? you obviously find no enjoyment from them

so you feel they shouldn't have given Giroux the contract when they did? you would have traded him when he was at the top of his game or let him walk? you foresaw his play dropping off like it has this year? he obviously has to be better and obviously we are all hoping it was his hip and he bounces back but I can't fault the organization AT ALL for signing him when they did.

as far as Bob goes, yeah it sucks. I loved Bob. I blame Snider and Lavy for what happened there but its done. Hopefully one of Stolarz, hart, Sandstrom, etc etc end up being the goalie of the future. I refuse to sit and whine about it every damn day. Guess what, organizations make good and bad trades. if Stolaz and Leier don't turn into anything then yeah it was a terrible trade. Do you ever point out the good moves? ever? Seriously I don't know why you watch anymore? you obviously find no enjoyment from them
- nastyflyergirl

That's one ugly lineup for the Pens, I actually think, though it's hard to believe, that the Flyers are actually icing the more talented lineup tonight. That being said, I'm pretty sure the Pens will be pretty fired up to not lose their 3rd straight game, and to defeat a rival who embarrassed them thoroughly the last time they met.

Either way its Flyers/Pens, so at least it should be fun.
- BiggE

Flyers/Pens is always fun to watch, I hate the Pens

Is it fair to expect Giroux and Voracek to equal the production of Brad freakin Marchand or nah?

I'm not giving this franchise the benefit of the doubt on anything if people don't like it oh well I don't give a damn. Bobrovsky throw it in their faces yet again yesterday? I guess that's the new theme for the next 5 years
- PLindbergh31

Simply, go (frank) off.

so you feel they shouldn't have given Giroux the contract when they did? you would have traded him when he was at the top of his game or let him walk? you foresaw his play dropping off like it has this year? he obviously has to be better and obviously we are all hoping it was his hip and he bounces back but I can't fault the organization AT ALL for signing him when they did.

as far as Bob goes, yeah it sucks. I loved Bob. I blame Snider and Lavy for what happened there but its done. Hopefully one of Stolarz, hart, Sandstrom, etc etc end up being the goalie of the future. I refuse to sit and whine about it every damn day. Guess what, organizations make good and bad trades. if Stolaz and Leier don't turn into anything then yeah it was a terrible trade. Do you ever point out the good moves? ever? Seriously I don't know why you watch anymore? you obviously find no enjoyment from them
- nastyflyergirl

Your correct on the "Bob" situation.....it does suck, but it's over. Regardless of circumstances it was a failure on few levels of management....spin doesn't change the outcome. Sometimes people have revisionist history when commenting on contracts....both Giroux and Vorecek got market value for their play at the time. I prefer to look forward and really think the lineup needs a pretty good over haul that includes youth coming in and a change to the core group.
Hextall has bought himself time. The whole patients approach is giving him an extra few years to right the ship....fair or not. Let's hope in the next few years we get to talk more about the successes of the organization rather then the failures.

Your correct on the "Bob" situation.....it does suck, but it's over. Regardless of circumstances it was a failure on few levels of management....spin doesn't change the outcome. Sometimes people have revisionist history when commenting on contracts....both Giroux and Vorecek got market value for their play at the time. I prefer to look forward and really think the lineup needs a pretty good over haul that includes youth coming in and a change to the core group.
Hextall has bought himself time. The whole patients approach is giving him an extra few years to right the ship....fair or not. Let's hope in the next few years we get to talk more about the successes of the organization rather then the failures.
- landros 2

The potential is there for a great turn around over the next few years. Looking at the current players under 25 and top prospects, they seem to be in pretty good shape:

G: Hart, Sandstrom, Lyon, Stolarz

D: Provorov, Ghost, Sanheim, Myers, Hagg, Morin, Friedman

F: Couturier, Konecny, Rubtsov, Lindblom, Cousins, Leier, Vorobyov, Laughton, Marody, Aube-Kubel, Laberge, Allison and, in all likelihood, this year's first round pick.

Obviously, not all will pan out, but if you compare it to where they were just 3 years ago, it's night and day. I think the coaching staff gets tweaked this offseason and at least 2 and perhaps as many as 4 kids are broken in next season. They will still be a bubble team at best, but I can see them being a solid playoff team by 18-19 and a legit contender by 19-20 or 20-21. And, by building and developing from within, their window of contention should last longer than it would for a team built primarily via trades and free agency.

To pay them like Crosby and Malkin is equally ridiculous!
- PLindbergh31

I want to play a game...
Im going to post 3 totally random words and i want to see if you can somehow turn that into something negative

I want to play a game...
Im going to post 3 totally random words and i want to see if you can somehow turn that into something negative
- opeth_pa

Is it fair to expect Giroux and Voracek to equal the production of Brad freakin Marchand or nah?

I'm not giving this franchise the benefit of the doubt on anything if people don't like it oh well I don't give a damn. Bobrovsky throw it in their faces yet again yesterday? I guess that's the new theme for the next 5 years
- PLindbergh31

Because at the time trading a goalie who was threatening to go to the KHL so they would lose him for nothing for a goalie who had previously the Calder Trophy was obvious a clear indication that Bob was going to become what he has.

Hindsight is a great thing, it allows people like you to claim they know it all at all times.

The potential is there for a great turn around over the next few years. Looking at the current players under 25 and top prospects, they seem to be in pretty good shape:

G: Hart, Sandstrom, Lyon, Stolarz

D: Provorov, Ghost, Sanheim, Myers, Hagg, Morin, Friedman

F: Couturier, Konecny, Rubtsov, Lindblom, Cousins, Leier, Vorobyov, Laughton, Marody, Aube-Kubel, Laberge, Allison and, in all likelihood, this year's first round pick.

Obviously, not all will pan out, but if you compare it to where they were just 3 years ago, it's night and day. I think the coaching staff gets tweaked this offseason and at least 2 and perhaps as many as 4 kids are broken in next season. They will still be a bubble team at best, but I can see them being a solid playoff team by 18-19 and a legit contender by 19-20 or 20-21. And, by building and developing from within, their window of contention should last longer than it would for a team built primarily via trades and free agency.
- BiggE

I like the look of the future and 2-4 rookies would be a refreshing change however this team plays in a very physical division. A core change is needed but unlikely so I would like to see Hextall pick up some veteran physical players. Easier said than done but this team seems to be lacking character that Flyer teams have always had.
Guys like Reaves from STL and Roussel from Dallas both who have a year left could be effective players on your team within the Metro. Weise and Gordon's can't happen again this offseason

I like the look of the future and 2-4 rookies would be a refreshing change however this team plays in a very physical division. A core change is needed but unlikely so I would like to see Hextall pick up some veteran physical players. Easier said than done but this team seems to be lacking character that Flyer teams have always had.
Guys like Reaves from STL and Roussel from Dallas both who have a year left could be effective players on your team within the Metro. Weise and Gordon's can't happen again this offseason
- 3flyerkids

I don't see any Weise or Gordon type signings, but I don't think Hexy makes trades to bring in grinders either. Barring a trade of a core player, which could, but probably won't happen, and assuming a guy like Read or Raffl is picked up in the ED, I think the forward lines could be something like:

Lindblom-G-Jake
Konecny-Couturier-Schenn
Raffl or Read-Filpulla-Simmonds*
Leier-PEB-Weise
spares: 2 of Cousins, Laughton, Weal

*at times Simmonds could skate with G and Jake and Lindblom drop to the 3rd line

The potential is there for a great turn around over the next few years. Looking at the current players under 25 and top prospects, they seem to be in pretty good shape:

G: Hart, Sandstrom, Lyon, Stolarz

D: Provorov, Ghost, Sanheim, Myers, Hagg, Morin, Friedman

F: Couturier, Konecny, Rubtsov, Lindblom, Cousins, Leier, Vorobyov, Laughton, Marody, Aube-Kubel, Laberge, Allison and, in all likelihood, this year's first round pick.

Obviously, not all will pan out, but if you compare it to where they were just 3 years ago, it's night and day. I think the coaching staff gets tweaked this offseason and at least 2 and perhaps as many as 4 kids are broken in next season. They will still be a bubble team at best, but I can see them being a solid playoff team by 18-19 and a legit contender by 19-20 or 20-21. And, by building and developing from within, their window of contention should last longer than it would for a team built primarily via trades and free agency.
- BiggE

I don't think you have to look much further the the Edmonton Oilers.....yes, they were a dismal rebuild even though they had like 6 top 5 picks....the reason it took so long was they refused to add other pieces via trade and free agency. Last summer that changed....oh and Conner MCdavid ......my point is You can and SHOULD use every avenue at your disposal to repair this team. You don't have to trade the youth and in today's cap world those young guys had better be able to contribute. I love what the Leafs did this year....but again each team has different circumstances and a different starting point......Hextall does not have the top franchise generational player to build around but he has moveable pieces in their prime that both the Leafs and Oilers didn't have....each rebuild, or reload is different.

I don't think you have to look much further the the Edmonton Oilers.....yes, they were a dismal rebuild even though they had like 6 top 5 picks....the reason it took so long was they refused to add other pieces via trade and free agency. Last summer that changed....oh and Conner MCdavid ......my point is You can and SHOULD use every avenue at your disposal to repair this team. You don't have to trade the youth and in today's cap world those young guys had better be able to contribute. I love what the Leafs did this year....but again each team has different circumstances and a different starting point......Hextall does not have the top franchise generational player to build around but he has moveable pieces in their prime that both the Leafs and Oilers didn't have....each rebuild, or reload is different.
- landros 2

Edmonton did a really poor job of drafting and also drafted way too many similar players. I think Hexy has done a much better job in that regard. However, I don't really disagree with you, I just would like to give the current prospects a bit more time to develop before we start making moves, but, if a good enough offer is made for one of our core forwards, than you make the deal.

I don't see any Weise or Gordon type signings, but I don't think Hexy makes trades to bring in grinders either. Barring a trade of a core player, which could, but probably won't happen, and assuming a guy like Read or Raffl is picked up in the ED, I think the forward lines could be something like:

Lindblom-G-Jake
Konecny-Couturier-Schenn
Raffl or Read-Filpulla-Simmonds*
Leier-PEB-Weise
spares: 2 of Cousins, Laughton, Weal

*at times Simmonds could skate with G and Jake and Lindblom drop to the 3rd line
- BiggE

Don't mind that look but would like to add a "get in your face" type of player
A poop disturber..that can play

I don't think you have to look much further the the Edmonton Oilers.....yes, they were a dismal rebuild even though they had like 6 top 5 picks....the reason it took so long was they refused to add other pieces via trade and free agency. Last summer that changed....oh and Conner MCdavid ......my point is You can and SHOULD use every avenue at your disposal to repair this team. You don't have to trade the youth and in today's cap world those young guys had better be able to contribute. I love what the Leafs did this year....but again each team has different circumstances and a different starting point......Hextall does not have the top franchise generational player to build around but he has moveable pieces in their prime that both the Leafs and Oilers didn't have....each rebuild, or reload is different.
- landros 2

Keep in mind the Leafs traded their 2 core players, and yes their 3 rookies have been huge. Their veterans have stepped up ( Kadri,Bozak,JVR ) and they also added a solid physical guy in Martin. They have a whole new culture

The biggest question for me is where will the star power come from. Flyers better hope that one of those picks are a hit big time.

This core has shown that they are nowhere near good enough and will simply continue to further rot with age. More 'secondary' players is not the answer.

Keep in mind the Leafs traded their 2 core players, and yes their 3 rookies have been huge. Their veterans have stepped up ( Kadri,Bozak,JVR ) and they also added a solid physical guy in Martin. They have a whole new culture
- 3flyerkids

That's kinda my point.....every team had a different starting point, but no team got better without using EVERY possible type of transaction to get better.....you can't just sit back and wait for the kids to develop....ie (the 2010-2015 Edmonton Oilers). You can do it with great drafting and developing, smart trades that are made with today and the future in mind and sensible Free agents.

The biggest question for me is where will the star power come from. Flyers better hope that one of those picks are a hit big time.

This core has shown that they are nowhere near good enough and will simply continue to further rot with age. More 'secondary' players is not the answer.
- flyer_nutter

I think 2 years from now, maybe 3, is when Hexy pulls the trigger on a high end FA signing as a means to add the final missing piece. In the meantime, I see them going heavy on forwards in the next 2 drafts, and hopefully their first round picks continue to be solid higher end choices, no matter where in the first round they pick. If the past few drafts are any indication, it seems the scouting department knows what they are doing in terms of picking players that aren't slam dunks like McDavid, Matthews, Eichel Marner, Laine etc.

That's kinda my point.....every team had a different starting point, but no team got better without using EVERY possible type of transaction to get better.....you can't just sit back and wait for the kids to develop....ie (the 2010-2015 Edmonton Oilers). You can do it with great drafting and developing, smart trades that are made with today and the future in mind and sensible Free agents.
- landros 2

I really hope the Flyers fully investigate moving up in this draft.

That's kinda my point.....every team had a different starting point, but no team got better without using EVERY possible type of transaction to get better.....you can't just sit back and wait for the kids to develop....ie (the 2010-2015 Edmonton Oilers). You can do it with great drafting and developing, smart trades that are made with today and the future in mind and sensible Free agents.
- landros 2

Agree, so we just have to make a couple "smart" trades and UFA deals

I really hope the Flyers fully investigate moving up in this draft.
- flyer_nutter

Unless they can get into 1 of the top 2 spots their dont seem to be many homeruns right?

I really hope the Flyers fully investigate moving up in this draft.
- flyer_nutter

I would love that. But it seems that unless they get to the top 3 maybe 4, the rest of these players are ranked all over the place depending on what draft expert you choose to look at.

Unless they can get into 1 of the top 2 spots their dont seem to be many homeruns right?
- opeth_pa

This is the way I read the draft.