We should never get rid of anyone by this logic. So given that you actually want to keep VDV and AMac.


- hereticpride

List some players of Sharp, and Bobvrosky's production levels the Flyers traded for with giving up next to nothing.

How can anyone watch this poop show and think and think status quo is an answer? If Hextall doesn't see or find a different path then perhaps he's not up for the job....I'm not suggesting that the youngsters should be sacrificed....their not the problem, their the solution. But to not actively change this core borders on imcompitance.
- landros 2

I agree, and I think Hextall probably does too. Im just not sure if he makes a big move or 2 this summer or waits another year when (hopefully) more kids will have won jobs and, more importantly, are ready to assume major roles on this team

For sure, the Flyers have not been nearly as successful the last 30 years as they were during the first 20.
- BiggE

I mean having zero of those awards the last quarter century is pretty mind boggling. When you aren't winning championships as a team, it would be nice to have some players recognized as the best in the NHL.

How can anyone watch this poop show and think and think status quo is an answer? If Hextall doesn't see or find a different path then perhaps he's not up for the job....I'm not suggesting that the youngsters should be sacrificed....their not the problem, their the solution. But to not actively change this core borders on imcompitance.
- landros 2

Moves will probably be made. Just need to wait for the offseason.

I don't think it's going to be the huge Simmonds trade people seem to expect though. Maybe Schenn or a D prospect for a promising forward prospect close to the NHL.

Moves will probably be made. Just need to wait for the offseason.

I don't think it's going to be the huge Simmonds trade people seem to expect though. Maybe Schenn or a D prospect for a promising forward prospect close to the NHL.
- hereticpride

I personally think the off season is going to be pretty quiet. I don't expect much. I'm looking forward to some young players to be added to the roster next year.

Moves will probably be made. Just need to wait for the offseason.

I don't think it's going to be the huge Simmonds trade people seem to expect though. Maybe Schenn or a D prospect for a promising forward prospect close to the NHL.
- hereticpride

something has to give....this group has been dismal. It's not about losing, it's how they lost. It makes no sense not to make some changes. Theres consequences for this showing....not for the fans but for the organization.

Torts style hockey
- BiggE

They also learned to flop under him

List some players of Sharp, and Bobvrosky's production levels the Flyers traded for with giving up next to nothing.
- PLindbergh31

Doesn't matter. Flyers have won out on a fair number of trades over the years. Look where Richards is now and look where Simmonds is. Oh yeah, don't forget to add Schenn too.

As far as Bob goes I don't think his numbers even translate if you put him on this team. Anyone would struggle with this defense.

The fact that you ignore that the guy was ready to bolt for the KHL is also troubling. Had he done that you'd be the first in line blasting the flyers for not trading him knowing it was a possibility.

I personally think the off season is going to be pretty quiet. I don't expect much. I'm looking forward to some young players to be added to the roster next year.
- MJL

Let's hope your wrong. To let some of these pathetic efforts slide would send a message that this acceptable....I would question the entire GMs philosophy if he actually puts much of the same crap on the ice next year. Losing breeds losing.

Edit: this core has had 3 years....and the results are not there....in fact they have deteriorated.

Doesn't matter. Flyers have won out on a fair number of trades over the years. Look where Richards is now and look where Simmonds is. Oh yeah, don't forget to add Schenn too.

As far as Bob goes I don't think his numbers even translate if you put him on this team. Anyone would struggle with this defense.

The fact that you ignore that the guy was ready to bolt for the NHL is also troubling. Had he done that you'd be the first in line blasting the flyers for not trading him knowing it was a possibility.
- hereticpride

Easy to use hindsight to be right. The Flyers actually made a pretty good trade for value for the situation at the time with all the factors considered. Bill has documented how Holmgren was directed to bring in an established goaltender.

Let's hope your wrong. To let some of these pathetic efforts slide would send a message that this acceptable....I would question the entire GMs philosophy if he actually puts much of the same crap on the ice next year. Losing breeds losing.
- landros 2

I personally think it would be a mistake to overreact to this season. I think Hextall should stick to his plan, continue to bring in younger players, and if a trade that makes sense comes about, then make it but that would happen even if the Flyers had a strong season.

Doesn't matter. Flyers have won out on a fair number of trades over the years. Look where Richards is now and look where Simmonds is. Oh yeah, don't forget to add Schenn too.

As far as Bob goes I don't think his numbers even translate if you put him on this team. Anyone would struggle with this defense.

The fact that you ignore that the guy was ready to bolt for the KHL is also troubling. Had he done that you'd be the first in line blasting the flyers for not trading him knowing it was a possibility.
- hereticpride

If you don't think giving up franchise changing talent for nothing matters, not sure what to tell you.

I'm not sure how anyone could possibly come to any other conclusion. Sure, there have been a few personnel mishaps here and there, but nothing that greatly hindered the team. This forward core has been through three coaches now. The same inconsistency shown under Laviolette and Berube is showing now.

It's not the coach. We all talk about holding the players accountable. I believe management said the same thing after the Berube firing. I'd like to see it in action and changing up the forward core/mix this offseason, if possible. I believe Hextall can make something happen.
- StepfordSam

Bravo!
However, accountability of players starts with coaching. This team has displayed poor coaching symptoms since Stevens despite all the personnel changes.
I would like to have Victor Tikhonov/ mike Keenan/ herb brooks type of coach here just to change the culture.

If you don't think giving up franchise changing talent for nothing matters, not sure what to tell you.
- PLindbergh31

Vezina-worthy deflection.

How can anyone watch this poop show and think and think status quo is an answer? If Hextall doesn't see or find a different path then perhaps he's not up for the job....I'm not suggesting that the youngsters should be sacrificed....their not the problem, their the solution. But to not actively change this core borders on imcompitance.
- landros 2

A return of the same core players next season would be frustrating definitely. Especially when the need to increase the odds to bring in elite young talent is so evident.

Sadly only Simmonds and maybe Schenn give you something of value.

10-3 Penn State!!!

A return of the same core players next season would be frustrating definitely. Especially when the need to increase the odds to bring in elite young talent is so evident.

Sadly only Simmonds and maybe Schenn give you something of value.
- flyer_nutter

The potential trade partners may be limited by the contract, but are you telling me they couldn't get something of value for Voracek? How about Couturier?

I personally think it would be a mistake to overreact to this season. I think Hextall should stick to his plan, continue to bring in younger players, and if a trade that makes sense comes about, then make it but that would happen even if the Flyers had a strong season.
- MJL

It would not be an over reaction or a deviation from his plan to make some substantial moves to the older portion of the core which have failed. It is the responsibility of the GM to make this team better now and in the future. I would expect the GM to be very proactive this off season.

It would not be an over reaction or a deviation from his plan to make some substantial moves to the older portion of the core which have failed. It is the responsibility of the GM to make this team better now and in the future. I would expect the GM to be very proactive this off season.
- landros 2

If the motivation for making a deal is the results of this season, it would be an overreaction in my opinion. I don't expect much this off season.

The potential trade partners may be limited by the contract, but are you telling me they couldn't get something of value for Voracek? How about Couturier?
- MJL

Forgot Coots. Would rather keep him.

What you think the value of Jake is?

The potential trade partners may be limited by the contract, but are you telling me they couldn't get something of value for Voracek? How about Couturier?
- MJL

They clearly have value as well. I think people are getting caught up hoping for an Earth shattering trade that probably isn't going to happen.

I actually think a D prospect for forward prospect swap is the most likely thing to happen. That or moving up somewhere in the draft.

Forgot Coots. Would rather keep him.

What you think the value of Jake is?
- flyer_nutter

Having a big contract can limit the number of suitors but his value is pretty high.

They clearly have value as well. I think people are getting caught up hoping for an Earth shattering trade that probably isn't going to happen.

I actually think a D prospect for forward prospect swap is the most likely thing to happen. That or moving up somewhere in the draft.
- hereticpride

Anything can happen. A trade of a defense prospect would be pretty risky.

I'm getting rid of a bunch of old Flyers posters from games (i.e. Remembering the Spectrum, Mark Howe jersey night, etc.) and don't have anywhere to put them. Would anyone want them? Otherwise, they're bound for the recycling bin. PM me.
- jmatchett383

Are there any without stains?

Having a big contract can limit the number of suitors but his value is pretty high.
- MJL

I dunno man, not sure I'd want to give up something of value and take that contract.