Bob is having a masterwork season. But how about the last 3 years, after the lockout Vezina? Ranged from OK to mediocre, and was no better than Mason. And he costs $7.5 mil a season. I'm suuuuuuuure the female doging would have been nonexistent.

And zero playoff series victories, Richardhair
- KINGKENZO

This too. Not that I care about that in evaluating in a small sample (and neither do you probably) or blaming that all on him, but he's never been stellar in the playoffs, and that poop is constantly used to rip Mason. Even though he was better in that Rangers series than Bob has ever been in the post-season.

And don't forget zero Vezinas!
- PLindbergh31

That trophy stood on its head as he was getting strafed by the Pens

I'm getting rid of a bunch of old Flyers posters from games (i.e. Remembering the Spectrum, Mark Howe jersey night, etc.) and don't have anywhere to put them. Would anyone want them? Otherwise, they're bound for the recycling bin. PM me.

Bobrovsky leading the NHL in save %, GAA, and wins.

Brodeur, Roy, and Haskek have combined to do this zero times!

We have the Sharp trade on steroids!
- PLindbergh31

It was actually a pretty great trade, being that we got 2 2nds for a guy who was ready to leave for the KHL.

Now, the Bryz signing, that was a fiasco.

No way to spin it, the Bobrovsky trade and that entire situation has not worked out. It's in the past and I'm over it, and looking forward to the future. I'm not willing to act like a fool and an idiot and harping over something that is done and in the past. There is no value in that.

Keep eating them up Bob. Keep eating them the (frank) up!
- PLindbergh31

Go to hell, fake-ass fan.

No way to spin it, the Bobrovsky trade and that entire situation has not worked out. It's in the past and I'm over it, and looking forward to the future. I'm not willing to act like a fool and an idiot and harping over something that is done and in the past. There is no value in that.
- MJL

thats why youre not cool

My God is Columbus a dirty team. Ive never seen more stick work, slew foots, and extracurricular activity away from the puck.
- MBFlyerfan

yeah they need to vigorously (frank) themselves

Maybe, maybe not, but if he has gotten any offers, and he doesn't like the offers, then that doesn't make him stubborn about it. We knew this was going to be a process and it was going to take considerable time. Nothing has changed about that.
- MJL

Maybe, maybe not??

You seriously expect anyone to believe that not one team in the last year or so has called Hexy about Simmonds.

If you really believe that, I need to talk to you about a bridge I'm selling.

Everyone involved deserves their fair share of blame but the majority of blame is on the players and not Hakstol in my opinion.
- MJL

I'm not sure how anyone could possibly come to any other conclusion. Sure, there have been a few personnel mishaps here and there, but nothing that greatly hindered the team. This forward core has been through three coaches now. The same inconsistency shown under Laviolette and Berube is showing now.

It's not the coach. We all talk about holding the players accountable. I believe management said the same thing after the Berube firing. I'd like to see it in action and changing up the forward core/mix this offseason, if possible. I believe Hextall can make something happen.

I'm not sure how anyone could possibly come to any other conclusion. Sure, there have been a few personnel mishaps here and there, but nothing that greatly hindered the team. This forward core has been through three coaches now. The same inconsistency shown under Laviolette and Berube is showing now.

It's not the coach. We all talk about holding the players accountable. I believe management said the same thing after the Berube firing. I'd like to see it in action and changing up the forward core/mix this offseason, if possible. I believe Hextall can make something happen.
- StepfordSam

Maybe, maybe not??

You seriously expect anyone to believe that not one team in the last year or so has called Hexy about Simmonds.

If you really believe that, I need to talk to you about a bridge I'm selling.
- BiggE

Badly missing the point, which is we don't know anything about any offers for any player that he may or may not have gotten. All we can do is assume. So how can someone say he seems stubborn about moving a core player in a trade? That insinuates a few things does it not? It's simply wrong. If you can't understand that, then you couldn't possibly sell me a bridge!

I'm not sure how anyone could possibly come to any other conclusion. Sure, there have been a few personnel mishaps here and there, but nothing that greatly hindered the team. This forward core has been through three coaches now. The same inconsistency shown under Laviolette and Berube is showing now.

It's not the coach. We all talk about holding the players accountable. I believe management said the same thing after the Berube firing. I'd like to see it in action and changing up the forward core/mix this offseason, if possible. I believe Hextall can make something happen.
- StepfordSam

Even if this team had qualified for the playoffs, changes in player personnel were still needed to try and reach the ultimate goal. There are some issues that I think Hakstol has to share responsibility for, but he is not the biggest issue with this team. Not even close.

Badly missing the point, which is we don't know anything about any offers for any player that he may or may not have gotten. All we can do is assume. So how can someone say he seems stubborn about moving a core player ina trade? That insinuates a few things does it not? It's simply wrong. If you can't understand that, then you couldn't possibly sell me a bridge!

- MJL

I can easily believe that Hexy didn't like an offer well enough to make a deal, but I think it's a safe bet to say that offers for Wayne Simmonds have been made and will continue to be made.

Edit: and if you read my earlier post, I doubt Hextall makes a major move this summer. But I think there is at least a slim chance that he does and, without a doubt, Simmonds is the most marketable piece he could move

I can easily believe that Hexy didn't like an offer well enough to make a deal, but I think it's a safe bet to say that offers for Wayne Simmonds have been made and will continue to be made.
- BiggE

Well then yea, if he hasn't received a trade offer he likes for any core player, then how can we say he's stubborn about trading one of them? So he can appease some fans wishes?

Well then yea, if he hasn't received a trade offer he likes for any core player, then how can we say he's stubborn about trading one of them? So he can appease some fans wishes?
- MJL

I never said he was stubborn.

I never said he was stubborn.
- BiggE

I never said you did, but the conversation you got involved in was about another poster saying that he seems stubborn to do so.

The players don't choose to create an offense entirely around taking muffins from the blue line from crap defensemen. No team has a further average distance of shot. It's not hard to figure watching this team generate shot after shot and no scoring chances, all with the creativeness of.....uh, a very uncreative person! The offense is college-esque. They really are the definition of empty shot attempts. Simmonds and Schenn have both passively aggressively complained to the media about this recently. An entire team does not regress as a collection of individuals by sheer coincidence. Flyers should be a better team than this, even if they're still about to get a real injection of talent starting next year. But this is a better roster than Berube had for sure. And we score less. Players aren't blameless, but Hakstol has been a serious issue this year.

It was actually a pretty great trade, being that we got 2 2nds for a guy who was ready to leave for the KHL.

Now, the Bryz signing, that was a fiasco.
- jmatchett383

So flyers get an A for the trade and the Jackets get a C- sound about right?

We all know there have been no Cups in 4 decades obviously well documented...

Over the last 25 years or so, I ask.... Where is the hardware for this franchise?

Calder trophy winners
Norris trophy winners
President's trophies
Vezina trophy winners
Selke trophy winners
Rocket Richard trophy winners

So flyers get an A for the trade and the Jackets get a C- sound about right?
- PLindbergh31

We should never get rid of anyone by this logic. So given that you actually want to keep VDV and AMac.

The players don't choose to create an offense entirely around taking muffins from the blue line from crap defensemen. No team has a further average distance of shot. It's not hard to figure watching this team generate shot after shot and no scoring chances, all with the creativeness of.....uh, a very uncreative person! The offense is college-esque. They really are the definition of empty shot attempts. Simmonds and Schenn have both passively aggressively complained to the media about this recently. An entire team does not regress as a collection of individuals by sheer coincidence. Flyers should be a better team than this, even if they're still about to get a real injection of talent starting next year. But this is a better roster than Berube had for sure. And we score less. Players aren't blameless, but Hakstol has been a serious issue this year.
- Mononoke

Can't argue this either, but at the end of the day, I think it really comes down to 4 factors:

1. The coaching, as you pointed out
2. Inconsistent, and at times, outright poor goaltending
3. Giroux being a shell of his past self for much of the season
4. Poor penalty killing and an inconsistent PK

Numbers 1 and to a large extent 4, are on the coach and his staff, but 2 & 3 are on the Captain and the goalies themselves

The players don't choose to create an offense entirely around taking muffins from the blue line from crap defensemen. No team has a further average distance of shot. It's not hard to figure watching this team generate shot after shot and no scoring chances, all with the creativeness of.....uh, a very uncreative person! The offense is college-esque. They really are the definition of empty shot attempts. Simmonds and Schenn have both passively aggressively complained to the media about this recently. An entire team does not regress as a collection of individuals by sheer coincidence. Flyers should be a better team than this, even if they're still about to get a real injection of talent starting next year. But this is a better roster than Berube had for sure. And we score less. Players aren't blameless, but Hakstol has been a serious issue this year.
- Mononoke

It is flat out absurd to suggest that a seasoned hockey coach has designed an offensive system around the lowest percentage shot in hockey. Within any hockey system there are options. In order for any team, playing any system of hockey or strategy, they only create what they can generate. We've seen Giroux play a predominantly perimeter game, then for about a week scored some goals from around the net and the slot area. Was the system changed for that game? How about the game where the Flyers have been able to generate a large quality of high percentage chances? Was the system changed? I'd love to see the quotes from Schenn and Simmonds. There really is a mis-understanding of hockey systems and their role. The above post is a perfect example of it. This team's two top play makers have been largely perimeter players at ES. The shots you take are the shots you can create. As if the players are out there willingly not taking the puck to the net and taking shots in high percentage areas because the coach is telling them to pass it back to the point.

I can easily believe that Hexy didn't like an offer well enough to make a deal, but I think it's a safe bet to say that offers for Wayne Simmonds have been made and will continue to be made.

Edit: and if you read my earlier post, I doubt Hextall makes a major move this summer. But I think there is at least a slim chance that he does and, without a doubt, Simmonds is the most marketable piece he could move
- BiggE

How can anyone watch this poop show and think and think status quo is an answer? If Hextall doesn't see or find a different path then perhaps he's not up for the job....I'm not suggesting that the youngsters should be sacrificed....their not the problem, their the solution. But to not actively change this core borders on imcompitance.

We all know there have been no Cups in 4 decades obviously well documented...

Over the last 25 years or so, I ask.... Where is the hardware for this franchise?

Calder trophy winners
Norris trophy winners
President's trophies
Vezina trophy winners
Selke trophy winners
Rocket Richard trophy winners
- PLindbergh31

For sure, the Flyers have not been nearly as successful the last 30 years as they were during the first 20.