I dont know if it will be a live draft...I am assuming it'll just be some list that gets published
- YuenglingJagr

Making them go in some pre-determined order would seem silly, but it's the NHL, so...

I dont understand why people dont like that move. I wanna hear one person give me a valid negative to that trade.
- jak521

He's not good anymore, he forces the Flyers to use a protection slot on a player who won't be around past next season and he leaves the Flyers without much cap space this offseason unless they want Ghost on a bridge deal.

On days like these, you just have to

(frank) THE RANGERS!

It's not a bad trade; it's a good trade in terms of value. I just want to know what the actual point of it was from Hextall's perspective. There's a distinction. This is going to be another bubble team next year. Maybe they get in (they could and another quality center helps); maybe they don't. Metro is so tight and will be next year too probably. But we're still a good ways away from really competing, and that's if the brain trust corrects their mistakes.

Say Flip was acquired to be a stopgap if we trade someone, like Schenn or Simmonds, for young talent in the form of prospects/picks.....that makes sense. Say Flip was acquired to be sold high at next deadline and at much more than we got him for....that makes sense. But I don't think anyone else is traded, and I don't think he will be traded if they're again fighting for a wild card. So, what is the real point of this trade? No one can argue it wasn't a good trade in value, but what is his value to the Flyers? The trade makes them better. No doubt. 3C has been a hole. But it's a 1 year contract to make them a better bubble team. It's just another instance in this team trying to have its cake and eat it too with winning now and winning later, and I wish they'd make up their mind.
- Mononoke

I wonder what all of these mistakes that you allude to are, that they need to fix. I guess it depends on what you're definition of winning is. The Flyers added a player like Filppula to help remain competitive and to compete. Nothing wrong with that. You and others just want theme to approach it the way you want them to. They have made up their mind and those that don't agree with it should just get over it.

Ill be sad if Mason gets picked
- YuenglingJagr

That impending departure is probably what's going to bother me the most about this off season. I'm just waiting for his 3-4 year deal with Dallas or Winnipeg at a reasonable price.

Making them go in some pre-determined order would seem silly, but it's the NHL, so...
- Scoob

I mean...I am not sure how making them go in a pre-determined order would change anything

What are you getting at here?

Is there a specific order Vegas has to go in, or can they make their picks from teams based on their own preference?
- Scoob

I think they just have to submit a list of 30 that meets all the rules.

It would be much more interesting if there were two expansion teams, because then there would have to be an ordered draft.

He's not good anymore, he forces the Flyers to use a protection slot on a player who won't be around past next season and he leaves the Flyers without much cap space this offseason unless they want Ghost on a bridge deal.
- PhillySportsGuy

Saying he's not good anymore is completely subjective. He still looks like a quality player to me. What forward are you so worried about losing because they're forced to protect Filppula? The Flyers should be looking to get Ghost on a bridge deal. Anything else is too risky at this point. Especially when all signs are pointing to many more young D on the way.

Saying his not good anymore is completely subjective. He still looks like a quality player to me. What forward are you so worried about losing because they're forced to protect Filppula? The Flyers should be looking to get Ghost on a bridge deal. Anything else is too risky at this point. Especially when all signs are pointing to many more young D on the way.
- Baxter27

It would be funny if they protect Raffl and Vegas takes Bellemare.
- Feanor

A dream come true really. I imagine it's the opposite though

Was he a drag on possession in TB?
- MJL

He was one of the worst on their team in that area

- YuenglingJagr

I don't see a long term contract that makes sense for Ghost or the Flyers right now. I'm expecting a 2 year deal around 3 million per.

A dream come true really. I imagine it's the opposite though
- PhillySportsGuy

Same, sadly.

He's not good anymore, he forces the Flyers to use a protection slot on a player who won't be around past next season and he leaves the Flyers without much cap space this offseason unless they want Ghost on a bridge deal.
- PhillySportsGuy

I think you're wrong that he's not a good player anymore. Hextall knew full way how it would effect the expansion draft and since he's okay with it, I see no reason to panic because of that. You made a post the other day that they didn't need much cap space this off season, now it's an issue. Cap space will not be an issue for what the Flyers want to do.

I don't see a long term contract that makes sense for Ghost or the Flyers right now. I'm expecting a 2 year deal around 3 million per.
- Baxter27

I think that would be a terrible mistake

I think you're wrong that he's not a good player anymore. Hextall knew full way how it would effect the expansion draft and since he's okay with it, I see no reason to panic because of that. You made a post the other day that they didn't need much cap space this off season, now it's an issue. Cap space will not be an issue for what the Flyers want to do.
- MJL

If they lose Raffl or Read in expansion, who are probably the most valuable roster players they could lose. That's another 2-3 million freed up.

He was one of the worst on their team in that area
- PhillySportsGuy

What was his possession numbers in TB? Do you have a link?

I don't see a long term contract that makes sense for Ghost or the Flyers right now. I'm expecting a 2 year deal around 3 million per.
- Baxter27

I think the tea leaves point to something along those lines.

Saying he's not good anymore is completely subjective. He still looks like a quality player to me. What forward are you so worried about losing because they're forced to protect Filppula? The Flyers should be looking to get Ghost on a bridge deal. Anything else is too risky at this point. Especially when all signs are pointing to many more young D on the way.
- Baxter27

If they lose a player like Raffl in order to keep Filppula, then it's a pretty bad move IMO. Raffl is the far superior even strength player. Everything Filppula gives you offensively is taken away by his sub par defensive play. I expect him to be better next season, but he's been awful thus far with the Flyers. He's gotten to play with the Flyers two best even strength wingers in Konecny and Voracek and has dragged them down significantly. There is pretty much no metric favoring Filppula's play with the Flyers thus far. If you want to use a subjective eye test, then go ahead. After that, there isn't nothing to back up you claims. Tbh, he looks like a guy who has the potential to really fall off. He just turned 33.

I would like to sign Ghost long-term. They could buyout some rfa years and lock him up through his prime. I actually think signing him long-term would increase his future trade value as well.

I think that would be a terrible mistake
- YuenglingJagr

in what respect?

in what respect?
- nastyflyergirl

you only get one chance to sign a guy to a team friendly deal through his entire prime

with the season ghost had (coming off of surgery) it could be even better

There is a chance Ghost wants the bridge deal. I am not comparing the two on the ice...just saying look at what can happen if the player exceeds expectations on a bridge deal: PK Subban

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- bmeltzer

Here I see another example as to why I don't care for Jordan Weal and question Dave Hakstol. Travis Konecny is back on the fourth line and he's been awesome. By refusing to drop Weal, Konecny gets pushed back. Can't drop Weise. He's finally found his game, heavy investment and his line has been damn good. Weal to me is just in the way. Works hard, making the most of things but in the way.

I mean...I am not sure how making them go in a pre-determined order would change anything

What are you getting at here?
- YuenglingJagr

Nothing. Just wondering, that's all. I said I think it would be silly. But I think a lot of what the NHL does is silly.

If they lose a player like Raffl in order to keep Filppula, then it's a pretty bad move IMO. Raffl is the far superior even strength player. Everything Filppula gives you offensively is taken away by his sub par defensive play. I expect him to be better next season, but he's been awful thus far with the Flyers. He's gotten to play with the Flyers two best even strength wingers in Konecny and Voracek and has dragged them down significantly. There is pretty much no metric favoring Filppula's play with the Flyers thus far. If you want to use a subjective eye test, then go ahead. After that, there isn't nothing to back up you claims. Tbh, he looks like a guy who has the potential to really fall off. He just turned 33.

I would like to sign Ghost long-term. They could buyout some rfa years and lock him up through his prime. I actually think signing him long-term would increase his future trade value as well.
- PhillySportsGuy

It's amazing to me that every single player Konecny plays with not named Couturier and Voracek are dragging him down. Does he not bare any responsibility for his play with any other combination? I haven't looked at your underlying stats and I don't plan to. Your interpretation of them or how you plan to build an argument around them means very little to me. I do see that Filppula's game has regressed since his first couple games as a Flyer. I also see a player with a ton of skill, mobility and strong hockey IQ. What has Raffl done this year to justify his place on the roster over Filppula? They still have a chance to protect him if he's that valuable. Protecting Bellemare instead of him is a whole other issue.

Everything you said about signing Ghost long term could back fire. It's risky and I don't think Hextall will do it. Even if he makes the cap space available.

you only get one chance to sign a guy to a team friendly deal through his entire prime

with the season ghost had (coming off of surgery) it could be even better

There is a chance Ghost wants the bridge deal. I am not comparing the two on the ice...just saying look at what can happen if the player exceeds expectations on a bridge deal: PK Subban
- YuenglingJagr

Honestly, I've fine with a short term deal for Ghost just so the summer threads aren't full of people whining about "overpayment".