McDavid probably should be the MVP.
- j.boyd919

I begrudgingly agree. I don't think that team is sniffing the playoffs without him.

I begrudgingly agree. I don't think that team is sniffing the playoffs without him.
- madmike71

Thing that pisses me off about it is when Sid lost out on awards it was because his goal totals weren't high enough. Now it doesn't matter? He could possibly finish with twice as many as Connor. Everyone says how much of a turn around the Oilers are seeing. They changed players and Talbot is having a great year. It isn't just McD. So he wins the Hart, does Sid get the Lindsay?

Thing that pisses me off about it is when Sid lost out on awards it was because his goal totals weren't high enough. Now it doesn't matter? He could possibly finish with twice as many as Connor. Everyone says how much of a turn around the Oilers are seeing. They changed players and Talbot is having a great year. It isn't just McD. So he wins the Hart, does Sid get the Lindsay?
- Thorny87

Which years? Personally I don't view MVP as most goals/most points. It's more important player to the team. And McDavid is exactly that. That team would be bottom of the standings without McDavid. Pens lose Sid and they still have Geno and Kessel to keep the Pens afloat.

McDavid probably should be the MVP.
- j.boyd919

I would agree as well

Which years? Personally I don't view MVP as most goals/most points. It's more important player to the team. And McDavid is exactly that. That team would be bottom of the standings without McDavid. Pens lose Sid and they still have Geno and Kessel to keep the Pens afloat.
- j.boyd919

You're right it was Geno that lost to Ovi back in 09. Not Sid.

You're right it was Geno that lost to Ovi back in 09. Not Sid.
- Thorny87

Quick look, it does look like Geno got shafted. Caps had four 70+ point players (Ovi-110, Backstrom-88, Semin-79, Green-73). Pens had Sid and Geno with over 100 points, Staal 3rd with 49. Ovi had 528 shots.. jesus christ.

Thing that pisses me off about it is when Sid lost out on awards it was because his goal totals weren't high enough. Now it doesn't matter? He could possibly finish with twice as many as Connor. Everyone says how much of a turn around the Oilers are seeing. They changed players and Talbot is having a great year. It isn't just McD. So he wins the Hart, does Sid get the Lindsay?
- Thorny87

There's no denying Sid has a far superior supporting cast. If the award went to the best player, I still think it's Sid.

Which years? Personally I don't view MVP as most goals/most points. It's more important player to the team. And McDavid is exactly that. That team would be bottom of the standings without McDavid. Pens lose Sid and they still have Geno and Kessel to keep the Pens afloat.
- j.boyd919

Apples to Oranges. Edmonton goes from bad team to a good team in a bad conference with mcdavid. Without Crosby the Pens go from 3rd or 4th seed in their division to favorite. I don't think we would stand a chance against the caps without crosby.

Apples to Oranges. Edmonton goes from bad team to a good team in a bad conference with mcdavid. Without Crosby the Pens go from 3rd or 4th seed in their division to favorite. I don't think we would stand a chance against the caps without crosby.
- sditulli

No, but we'd still be a playoff team. Wheres Edmonton probably wouldn't be, meaning McDavid is more valuable to the Oilers than Sid to the Pens IMO.

No, but we'd still be a playoff team. Wheres Edmonton probably wouldn't be, meaning McDavid is more valuable to the Oilers than Sid to the Pens IMO.
- j.boyd919

Without talbot the Oilers are a dumpster team even with mcdavid. .. He has played a sick amount of games and keep having good numbers on a team that has bad defense albelit not as bad as previous years.

McDavid probably should be the MVP.
- j.boyd919

Sid has more points per game high faceoff winning % and significantly higher goals. McDavid is a beast but the stats say Sid is MVP. Or at least that's what I see when I read them.

No, but we'd still be a playoff team. Wheres Edmonton probably wouldn't be, meaning McDavid is more valuable to the Oilers than Sid to the Pens IMO.
- j.boyd919

It's not based on MVP to the team. It's based on overall MVP. So it doesn't matter if you have good players on your team. If it were based off player most needed to keep their team in the playoffs Ovi or Lundqvist should win every year.

Sid has more points per game high faceoff winning % and significantly higher goals. McDavid is a beast but the stats say Sid is MVP. Or at least that's what I see when I read them.
- Zac_O

Considering the amount of juggeling of lines this year and the amount of wear and tear the full last season + playoffs + worldcup gives AND the beating his body has taken through the years ESPECIALLY the concussions. I would consider him mvp too.

Without talbot the Oilers are a dumpster team even with mcdavid. .. He has played a sick amount of games and keep having good numbers on a team that has bad defense albelit not as bad as previous years.
- martox

While I do agree, Talbot has been great... a healthy McD means more to them IMO. The combination of the 2 makes them so much better though.

It's not based on MVP to the team. It's based on overall MVP. So it doesn't matter if you have good players on your team. If it were based off player most needed to keep their team in the playoffs Ovi or Lundqvist should win every year.
- Zac_O

- j.boyd919

That's incredibly stupid becuase thats not the definition of league mvp.


Then its easily Bobrovsky. No one else has done anything close to what he has for the BJs. Or maybe Budaj he somehow kept the Kings going.



This is why that form of MVP sucks.


Edit: The more I think about it, if they are using that poopty definition of MVP it 100000000% is Budaj. The Kings wouldn't have a playoff hope if Zatkoff was their starter. He's for sure not a Vezina candidate but as far as being valuable to a team he most definitly was for the Kings this year. Bobrovky for Vezna and Budaj for Hart.

No, but we'd still be a playoff team. Wheres Edmonton probably wouldn't be, meaning McDavid is more valuable to the Oilers than Sid to the Pens IMO.
- j.boyd919

That is silly. Its not the marginal player whose the difference between in and out of playoffs. And it who is most valuable. Crosby takes us from playoff team to cup favorite. That is as big of a jump as Mcdavid taking a team from lottery selection to playoff team.

That is silly. Its not the marginal player whose the difference between in and out of playoffs. And it who is most valuable. Crosby takes us from playoff team to cup favorite. That is as big of a jump as Mcdavid taking a team from lottery selection to playoff team.
- sditulli

Nah

That's incredibly stupid becuase thats not the definition of league mvp.


Then its easily Bobrovsky. No one else has done anything close to what he has for the BJs. Or maybe Budaj he somehow kept the Kings going.



This is why that form of MVP sucks.


Edit: The more I think about it, if they are using that poopty definition of MVP it 100000000% is Budaj. The Kings wouldn't have a playoff hope if Zatkoff was their starter. He's for sure not a Vezina candidate but as far as being valuable to a team he most definitly was for the Kings this year. Bobrovky for Vezna and Budaj for Hart.
- Zac_O

The Kings aren't even gonna make the playoffs. Budaj has had a nice year, but league MVP, come on man. And not to mention he plays for Tampa now

That's incredibly stupid becuase thats not the definition of league mvp.


Then its easily Bobrovsky. No one else has done anything close to what he has for the BJs. Or maybe Budaj he somehow kept the Kings going.



This is why that form of MVP sucks.


Edit: The more I think about it, if they are using that poopty definition of MVP it 100000000% is Budaj. The Kings wouldn't have a playoff hope if Zatkoff was their starter. He's for sure not a Vezina candidate but as far as being valuable to a team he most definitly was for the Kings this year. Bobrovky for Vezna and Budaj for Hart.
- Zac_O

The Ted Lindsay award is more what you're thinking of. Player voted the best player in the league by other players.

That's incredibly stupid becuase thats not the definition of league mvp.


Then its easily Bobrovsky. No one else has done anything close to what he has for the BJs. Or maybe Budaj he somehow kept the Kings going.



This is why that form of MVP sucks.


Edit: The more I think about it, if they are using that poopty definition of MVP it 100000000% is Budaj. The Kings wouldn't have a playoff hope if Zatkoff was their starter. He's for sure not a Vezina candidate but as far as being valuable to a team he most definitly was for the Kings this year. Bobrovky for Vezna and Budaj for Hart.
- Zac_O

I could see a case made for Bob for sure, in no particular order I'd say Bob, McDavid, Marchand, Sid, Kane, Kucherov would be my top 6, could probably throw Burns in there.

I think the voting goes

1.McDavid
2.Bob
3.Sid

at the end though.

The Kings aren't even gonna make the playoffs. Budaj has had a nice year, but league MVP, come on man. And not to mention he plays for Tampa now
- tpcg402

It's based on most valuable to the team. Budaj was, most valuable to the kings after Quick went down. Everyone counted them out but he put them in position to still make it.

I could see a case made for Bob for sure, in no particular order I'd say Bob, McDavid, Marchand, Sid, Kane, Kucherov would be my top 6, could probably throw Burns in there.

I think the voting goes

1.McDavid
2.Bob
3.Sid

at the end though.
- j.boyd919

That makes no sense. This loose definition of MVP makes it easier for certain players to win it if they are just good on a bad team. So if Sid was on col all year he'd easy be MVP?

It's based on most valuable to the team. Budaj was, most valuable to the kings after Quick went down. Everyone counted them out but he put them in position to still make it.
- Zac_O

I get what you're saying, but there is no way IMO that Budaj is more valuable to his team than Bob is for CBJ, Mcdavid for EDM, or Sid for Pens, Burns for SJ or any other legit MVP candidate that is out there.(I could go on and on) Budaj was traded by the team you claim he's the MVP of that won't even make the playoffs. Good year for Budaj, but nothing more.