Doc_Sarcasm
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Location: Should of studied Geometry Joined: 04.28.2013
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I'm here for the PWC
*Plind Whining Chronicles - Not_Yan
He's not so much a whiner as he is a lifetime subscriber to Bitter Homes and Gardens. |
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YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: under the bridge Joined: 10.05.2015
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How do you figure a goaltender who has the best save %, gaa, and the most wins in the league changes nothing about this team? The Flyers goaltending has been awful this year. I understand they have a lackluster d in front of them to say the least, but that doesn't excuse the countless soft goals allowed.
He won a Vezina on a Jackets team that didn't make the playoffs. - PLindbergh31
Because he doesn't solve scoring depth issues, he doesnt make the prospects mature into valuable NHL defensemen, he doesn't draft better forwards...in fact maybe he makes the Flyers draft position even worse (unless you want to assume his injuries still happen here)
The Flyers had better goaltending than the Blue Jackets last year...did that change anything? Bob is a fantastic goalie and very fun to watch, but I would rather lose him than Pronger/JVR/lottery pick |
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StepfordSam
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Location: Philadelphia, PA Joined: 02.06.2017
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What I don't understand about all the tank talk, what should the organization do with Konency and Provorov? Not play them significant minutes? Somehow persuade them not to get better? We all know this wasn't a Stanley Cup winning roster to begin the season anyway. Last year was great making the playoffs considering Streit and Schultz were the top pairing dmen during the playoffs.
I do feel eventually one of the young dmen will be moved for a similar young top 6 forward. I have no idea when this will happen. These trades happen quite often and Hexy has the assets at his disposal to pull one off. - ravishingone
I can only speak for myself, but I am not on the tank train per se. The organization, however, deserves to be criticized for its handling of the trade deadline.
It was clear to everyone that the Flyers would not be making the playoffs at the trade deadline. Since that was obviously the case, the GM should have sold off the pieces that were definitely not going to be with the team next season, which included Del Zotto and Mason.
Even if you don't get market value for these players, you make the deal. This season is done. Look ahead. Move on. Gather as many assets as possible and take as many bites of the draft pie as possible. The more draft picks you have, the greater the probability of hitting paydirt on a prospect. I refuse to believe Hextall couldn't have gotten mid round picks for either Mason or Del Zotto.
I'm sure the company men will argue the company spin, aka because a professional organization has a coherent reason for doing things automatically means its the correct thing to do.
Here is the truth. Things are trending the right way but there have been missteps. This was one of them. |
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MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: Be nice from now on, NJ Joined: 03.17.2006
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I can only speak for myself, but I am not on the tank train per se. The organization, however, deserves to be criticized for its handling of the trade deadline.
It was clear to everyone that the Flyers would not be making the playoffs at the trade deadline. Since that was obviously the case, the GM should have sold off the pieces that were definitely not going to be with the team next season, which included Del Zotto and Mason.
Even if you don't get market value for these players, you make the deal. This season is done. Look ahead. Move on. Gather as many assets as possible and take as many bites of the draft pie as possible. The more draft picks you have, the greater the probability of hitting paydirt on a prospect. I refuse to believe Hextall couldn't have gotten mid round picks for either Mason or Del Zotto.
I'm sure the company men will argue the company spin, aka because a professional organization has a coherent reason for doing things automatically means its the correct thing to do.
Here is the truth. Things are trending the right way but there have been missteps. This was one of them. - StepfordSam
Who is to say they didnt try? It takes 2 teams to make a trade.
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YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: under the bridge Joined: 10.05.2015
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Who is to say they didnt try? It takes 2 teams to make a trade. - MBFlyerfan
yeah...based on the other trades made around the league...I don't think Hextall would've gotten much. Bishop was practically given away |
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PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ Joined: 04.08.2012
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I think it is actually one of the smallest issues they've had to deal with since the cup finals. Bob changes nothing about this team.
You always seem to exclude his salary too...I find that enjoyable. - YuenglingJagr
It was only last year when Bob had a .908 save percentage. |
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johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: South Jersey, NJ Joined: 01.16.2009
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Who is to say they didnt try? It takes 2 teams to make a trade. - MBFlyerfan
Exactly. And the fact that neither of Mason nor MDZ are having very good years probably didn't help their trade value. Both, on some level, might still be viewed as reclamation projects that may not be other GM's cup of tea regardless of what either player has accomplished as a Flyer. |
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wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: Boynton Beach, FL Joined: 10.03.2010
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Flyers have 10 pic this draft. For the first time Hextall has options going into the off season. I will grade Hextall on the rebuild come September.
I will say, having to play Schultz is terrible, why not call up a D from the Phantoms. |
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J35Bacher
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Location: Philadelphia, PA Joined: 04.03.2014
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I can only speak for myself, but I am not on the tank train per se. The organization, however, deserves to be criticized for its handling of the trade deadline.
It was clear to everyone that the Flyers would not be making the playoffs at the trade deadline. Since that was obviously the case, the GM should have sold off the pieces that were definitely not going to be with the team next season, which included Del Zotto and Mason.
Even if you don't get market value for these players, you make the deal. This season is done. Look ahead. Move on. Gather as many assets as possible and take as many bites of the draft pie as possible. The more draft picks you have, the greater the probability of hitting paydirt on a prospect. I refuse to believe Hextall couldn't have gotten mid round picks for either Mason or Del Zotto.
I'm sure the company men will argue the company spin, aka because a professional organization has a coherent reason for doing things automatically means its the correct thing to do.
Here is the truth. Things are trending the right way but there have been missteps. This was one of them. - StepfordSam
Clear to who? Hockeybuzz posters?
If the organization thought they were still able to make the wildcard then I don't fault them for trying. If the best offer was a 6th rounder for del zotto then I understand not moving him. Right now I think Del Zotto is playing well and I am actually coming around to maybe resigning him and protecting him over manning depending on money and term.
We can say sell off assets or trade this guy for this but we have no clue what was available for the Flyers to do.
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ravishingone
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Location: United States, PA Joined: 06.30.2007
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I can only speak for myself, but I am not on the tank train per se. The organization, however, deserves to be criticized for its handling of the trade deadline.
It was clear to everyone that the Flyers would not be making the playoffs at the trade deadline. Since that was obviously the case, the GM should have sold off the pieces that were definitely not going to be with the team next season, which included Del Zotto and Mason.
Even if you don't get market value for these players, you make the deal. This season is done. Look ahead. Move on. Gather as many assets as possible and take as many bites of the draft pie as possible. The more draft picks you have, the greater the probability of hitting paydirt on a prospect. I refuse to believe Hextall couldn't have gotten mid round picks for either Mason or Del Zotto.
I'm sure the company men will argue the company spin, aka because a professional organization has a coherent reason for doing things automatically means its the correct thing to do.
Here is the truth. Things are trending the right way but there have been missteps. This was one of them. - StepfordSam
I don't have an issue for what you have written. I just don't believe it is feasible to get it right 100% of the time. It looks like Hexy has more of a strength acquiring talent through the prospect pool, which is a refreshing change from previous regimes. For better or worse, he certainly has stuck to his plan. Admittedly, I am impatient and would have loved to see at least a glimpse of guys like Hagg, Morin, and Leier (even more time with the Flyers) because what we know is the guys ahead of them playing on the big club aren't going to be part of a potential cup winning team.
With the way the season is winding down for Provorov and Konency, I'm not sure the organization should have done things differently, which gives me some hope as the young guys continue to filter in the team will improve.
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all-pgh
Pittsburgh Penguins |
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Location: PA Joined: 05.14.2014
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J35Bacher
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Location: Philadelphia, PA Joined: 04.03.2014
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Lappy is a great guy, loved him as a player, but I would be surprised if he is retained after this season. In fairness to Hakstol who I think will be retained, his assistants were hired before him. He should be allowed to make changes to his staff. - ravishingone
If you remember Hakstoll did want to bring his own guy with but he took the head job at ND.
I think you could see one or two assistants switch this offseason.
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Flyers have 10 pic this draft. For the first time Hextall has options going into the off season. I will grade Hextall on the rebuild come September.
I will say, having to play Schultz is terrible, why not call up a D from the Phantoms. - wcorvette
Like who from the ahl? They aren't calling up their big guys because they are huge reasons the phantoms are where they are at and they will remain there as they go through the playoffs. Its all about growing them as a player and developing them as they see what its like to play playoff hockey in the a. Keep them there . |
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nastyflyergirl
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Location: this space for rent, PA Joined: 09.19.2006
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Flyers have 10 pic this draft. For the first time Hextall has options going into the off season. I will grade Hextall on the rebuild come September.
I will say, having to play Schultz is terrible, why not call up a D from the Phantoms. - wcorvette
My opinion is its because the Phantoms are in the middle of a playoff race. thanks to the ridiculous playoff format, even tho they have the 3rd most points in the league, they are still only 5 points ahead of the 5th place team who is out of a playoff spot. the Phantoms already have had injury issues and also couple Weal being brought up. I don't think Hextall feels its worth disrupting that. He hasn't said that to the media, just my opinion. |
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MBFlyerfan
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Location: Be nice from now on, NJ Joined: 03.17.2006
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ravishingone
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Location: United States, PA Joined: 06.30.2007
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If you remember Hakstoll did want to bring his own guy with but he took the head job at ND.
I think you could see one or two assistants switch this offseason. - J35Bacher
Very true, I'm curious to see who they might bring in. Could they bring in assistants with previous head coaching experience in the league to help Hakstol considering Murphy and Lappy have zero experience. I look at Tampa with Cooper and Bowness and Richards as his assistants and see some benefits.
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MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: Be nice from now on, NJ Joined: 03.17.2006
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Flyers have 10 pic this draft. For the first time Hextall has options going into the off season. I will grade Hextall on the rebuild come September.
I will say, having to play Schultz is terrible, why not call up a D from the Phantoms. - wcorvette
Why? The Phantoms are poised to make a long playoff run. What good will it do? |
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PhillySportsGuy
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Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ Joined: 04.08.2012
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How do you figure a goaltender who has the best save %, gaa, and the most wins in the league changes nothing about this team? The Flyers goaltending has been awful this year. I understand they have a lackluster d in front of them to say the least, but that doesn't excuse the countless soft goals allowed.
He won a Vezina on a Jackets team that didn't make the playoffs. - PLindbergh31
Mason Even Strength Save Percentage since joining Flyers: .929
Bob Even Strength Save Percentage since joining Jackets: .930
Mason is having a bad year like Bob had a bad year last season. To be honest, up until this season, Mason had outplayed Bob since joining the Flyers. |
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YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: under the bridge Joined: 10.05.2015
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MJL
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: Candyland, PA Joined: 09.20.2007
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Who is to say they didnt try? It takes 2 teams to make a trade. - MBFlyerfan
Company spin! |
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jaws1955
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: Blairstown, NJ Joined: 12.30.2015
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Who is to say they didnt try? It takes 2 teams to make a trade.
- MBFlyerfan
Company spin!
just because it is "company spin" doesn't mean it isn't true. |
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MJL
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: Candyland, PA Joined: 09.20.2007
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Who is to say they didnt try? It takes 2 teams to make a trade.
- MBFlyerfan
Company spin!
just because it is "company spin" doesn't mean it isn't true. - jaws1955
It was sarcasm. |
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